Big landslide in Big Sur

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  1. ejensen

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    Still private. From the Hearst website
    'In 1946, the airstrip was moved to its current location one mile north of the Visitor Center. Today, the airstrip is still used by Hearst Corporation and family but is not open to public air traffic.'
     
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    The 1989 Loma Prieta quake killed 63 and injured almost 4,000. That one was a mere 6.9. Remember the cars and people crushed like grapes between Nimitz freeway roadways?
    That and the Northridge quake of 6.7 in 94 will look like sandbox play compared to what's coming.

    Nature has a way of culling out the weak, dumb and ill-prepared.
     
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    And yet humans keep trying to post more warning labels to save them...

    Again, fear mongering and speculation. Here is the actual California recorded history that current risk assessments and building codes are based on.

    7 Biggest Earthquakes in California History

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...thquake-california-biggest-magnitude-history/

    An asteroid could also statistically wipe out humanity as well...does not mean we should all jump ship.

    Now, in no way will it be a non event when it happens...but a Hollywood style blockbuster Armageddon is historically unlikely.
     
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    Not fear mongering when the warning is based on solid science.
     
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    I want to know who this person is. Cirrus shill. Claims to own one. Has a habit of copy pasting nonsense. I'm beginning to believe it is someone here merely to troll.

    10% of the population of Japan died in 2011? You'd think that'd be bigger news.
     
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    It's still owned by the Hearst family, and getting permission to land there is only slightly more likely than pigs flying while having snowball fights in Hell.
     
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    I agree with her pasting nonsense. Japan has a population of 127 million. Fukushima prefecture has a population of 1.8 million. The official death toll was 15,894, 90% of those were from the effects of the tsunami.
     
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    That's funny, because I feel the same way about where YOU live! :rofl:
     
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    Yes it does. We need to colonize Mars. ;)
     
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    That was W.R. Hearst's private airport. It was moved and rebuilt several times over it's history. I believe that his last plane was a DC-3/C47. He also had another
    airport over the hill near the "Hacienda" - which structure is today the Officer's Club at Fort Hunter Liggett (he sold that part of his land to the Government during
    WWII).

    While the "Castle" belongs to the State, and is a major tourist attraction, the surrounding land still belongs to the Hearst family. - The airstrip is reserved for
    their use.

    This writeup mentions the Hacienda: http://cervinscentralcoast.blogspot.com/2012/12/montereys-mission.html
     
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    Actually, Carcassone is a Walled City. There are quite a few in Europe. I recently visited a couple of others: Bonifacio in Corsica, then Mt. St. Michel and St Malo in
    mainland France. As for Castles, they are everywhere you look in Europe.

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    Never say Never. That may well happen - but it could be tomorrow or a thousand years from now.

    Be that as it may, in my humble opinion the portion of the Pacific Coast Highway south of Big Sur to Ragged Point is unsustainable. Landslides happen every year - this one
    just happens to be bigger than usual. I would suggest that we abandon that part of the road to mother nature.

    By the way - the slide is a long way from Big Sur - Mud Creek is south of the small settlement called Gorda. It's about 33 miles straight line distance.

    Dave
     
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    Or make it a toll-road.
     
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    I'm sure the people crushed to death (57 dead) when the freeway collapsed on them in 1994 could care less that it wasn't "the big one". It was only a 6.9.
    Neither could the 63 who died in 1989. Also a 6.9.
    I'll take my chances with the wind and the rain here on the East coast.
    :idea:
     
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    When the power came back on after the 1994 Northridge Quake (we were living three miles from the epicenter), and M5.0+ aftershocks were still happening regularly, a scientist (I think it was Lucy) was on TV grinning like a kid with a new toy. "Boy, we sure learned a lot from this one," she gushed. "We didn't even know that fault was there. For all we know, this might just be a foreshock of an even bigger one!!"

    Thank you for sharing, Lucy.

    And it wasn't just the M6.7 quake at 4:31 AM on 1/17/94 ... the thousands of aftershocks that went on for months was what drove you nuts. And each time the shaking started, we remembered what Lucy had said ...

    Our swimming pool was our seismometer. At M5.0, water sloshed over the edge onto the deck.

    I don't recall that many, if any, of the fatalities in 1994 were from overpasses falling on them. There was the LAPD motorcycle officer who was killed when he drove onto an overpass that collapsed out from under him (SR 14 transition to southbound I-5 in Newhall Pass, now "Clarence Wayne Dean Memorial Interchange").

    Most of the casualties were in collapsed residential structures (it happened early in the morning on a holiday -- had it been a workday the casualty count would likely have been much higher). Sixteen died in the three-story, wood-frame Northridge Meadows Apartment complex, that pancaked into the ground floor. Northridge Meadows is in the center of this photo -- look how the structure on the right (north) seems a bit higher than the one on the left. Before 1/17/94 they were the same height.

    Earthquake-940117-01022.jpg

    Northridge Meadows is the building, that seems to be listing to the left, in the background in this photo:

    Earthquake-940117-01049.jpg
     
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    Hmmmm. . .And I was thinking DOD spent massive bucks on defense industry in CA? I also heard CA residents get to deduct their state and local taxes from their Fed taxes? I'd think that would count as a big, if hidden, Fed subsidy for CA folks. Jack your state and local taxes, reduce your Fed burden, at the expense of lower tax states. Not CA only, of course - all of left coast and the NE, as well.
     
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    So the DOD doesn't spend money anywhere else? And the feds don't allow any other state with local taxes to write local taxes off? Interesting. That certainly seems entirely unfair... and implausible.
     
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    Nope. California is a strike-slip fault. Los Angeles and San Francisco will eventually be the same city eons from now. The plates are moving laterally. Even in the north, the ocean side is subducting under the land side.
     
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    That should make the Dodgers-Giants rivalry interesting ...
     
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    More in DOD spending in CA, historically I believe. . .and, as I wrote, but you apparently didn't read, I mentioned quite a few other states doing the same thing. . .
     
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    Good Lord man......then we will have to start calling it "THE" 101 in Nor Cal...now THAT would be a disaster!
     
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    The Angels already ripped LA off... so it'll either be the Los Angeles Dodgers of San Francisco or the San Francisco Giants of Los Angeles.

    .. or the San Angeles Giant Dodgers
     
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    http://www.ncsl.org/research/military-and-veterans-affairs/military-s-impact-on-state-economies.aspx

    Yep. You specifically mentioned the left coast and northeast. Nice insinuation.

    But literally any resident in any of the 43 states that has a state income tax can write that off of their federal tax.
     
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    Maybe I'm unfair - maybe CA state and local taxes are amoung the lowest of the 43 states with income tax? And amoung the lowest in property taxes, too? Shoot, maybe CA is a tax haven?

    Or, maybe not. . .
     
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    To each their own.:cool:
    Born and raised in the PNW. Grew up between Seattle and Vancouver. Left there at the age of 23. Have been resident (not visitor) on five continents now. Still have a lot of family on the left coast. Never had any desire to move back. Can't stand the what-should-the-government-do-for-me-today entitlement mentality. Can't stand the rain.

    Fantastic place to re-fuel after a scenic flight over the rock though. :D
     
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    Definitely not a tax haven, but as far as impact on federal tax is concerned, for states that have both, one is allowed to choose either state income tax or state sales tax as a deduction from federal taxable income, not both. And the article mentions that Californians pay higher federal tax per capita than residents of other states, which would seem to considerably weaken your argument.
     
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    Complete mis-representation of what Dr. Jones spoke about. She is trying to break the "it hasn't happened lately, therefore it won't happen" denial scenario we see in humans. She isn't claiming a 10% death rate or 9.0 California quake with LA/SF "sliding into the ocean". The Ring of Fire isn't mirrored either, it's not like it's a plate is spinning around in the Pacific.
     
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    property tax, actually, plus state income tax, being deductable. Of which, CA has gobs of both. Plus sales taxes, and a few doxen others, but, as you say, not necessarily deductable. But, article or not, the in flow of Fed bucks to CA would certainly appear to exceed the out flow to the Feds.
     
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    Crap, I was looking forward to Kalifornia going bye-bye. I am going to stick with Citizen5000's reality.
     
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    I don't live in CA anymore, but I would miss San Diego.
     
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    All of which has already been taken into account when you add up the total federal taxes being paid by the residents of each state.

    Where does that "appear"? In your imagination?
     
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    I think North Carolina should have been allowed to secede! :tongue:
     
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    Don't know about a monkey named Sam in the shifter business......
    There is a big house in San Simeon?
     
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    Up the hill some 10 miles out of town, yes.
     
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    Went right over your head....didn't it?
     
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    I imagine the "article" author's imagination at least matches my imagination, and is imaginative as possible in spinning an imaginative narrative that CA is being hosed by the Feds.

    You live in CA, and you get to deduct your state, local, and property taxes, which are considerable, from your Fed taxes. States (and citizens) with lower taxes do not reap the same benefit in proportion. They subsidize states like CA (and others). I readily admit I haven't the data to support or deny CA is loosing 1% in the deal. My "imagination" suggests it's BS; the defense contractor density in CA is freaking huge, and that feeds CA's economy substantially. You have an enormous military presence. Your higher education system is mega-big, per captia, and so Fed student loan in-flow is probably as large. My gut guess is the Social Security bogus disability in-flow is perhaps on a par with the rest of the country, per captia. Maybe not, though.

    Anyway, absent an incentive to make a study of it, I do/do doubt CA is getting the short end of the Fed $$$ stick.
     
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    You're trying to counter data with plausibility arguments. I remain unconvinced.

    Did you even LOOK at the sources cited in the article?

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    https://osc.state.ny.us/reports/budget/2015/fed_budget_fy2013.pdf

    That was the data that the Legislative Analyst's Office based their bar chart on, and the Howard Jarvis Taxpayer's Association thinks it's "fairly accurate."

    As for the military spending, one of the sources cited makes it clear that this was taken into account. Of the five categories of federal spending accounted for, military spending enters into two of them:
    • Contracts for purchases of goods and services, from military and medical equipment to information technology and catering services. Defense purchases account for two-thirds of federal contracts.
    • Salaries and wages for federal employees. Roughly two-thirds of this spending is for civilians, and one-third is for military personnel.
    http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...3/federal-spending-in-the-states-2005-to-2014

    You say you don't have an incentive to make a study of it. The organizations and governmental bodies cited in the article HAVE made a study of it, so I hope you will understand why I give their data more weight than your doubts.
     

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    Beast Castle?