Nick Geber
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So it looks like VREF is now no longer a feature with AOPA membership. Anyone else know how to get valuations?
Thanks for letting me know. Hadn't heard. My AOPA renewal is at the EOM and VREF is probably the only tangible perk I've used.So it looks like VREF is now no longer a feature with AOPA membership. Anyone else know how to get valuations?
Oh my gosh, how time flies! I had no idea it was already time for another AOPA bashing thread!
I ran one recently and got an in your dreams low value.I have run numerous planes through Vref. I never saw one estimate close to what the market was calling for.
Got this email the other day...
This message is to notify our membership within the greater Milwaukee area that there is a new local association advocating for the interests of pilots based at Milwaukee’s General Mitchell International Airport and Lawrence J. Timmerman Airport. A master plan at MKE has determined that some general aviation hangars will be, or already have, been removed to make way for other airfield improvements. Long-term leases are not being renewed, or shorter-term leases are being offered which stifle development and threaten the sustainability of light GA aircraft on the airport. The master plan does include GA, but the changes are at the sacrifice of long-standing infrastructure and tenants. While the actions taken by the airport are in line with FAA policy, it is clear that a channel of communication with the general aviation community to airport administration is needed. Pilots based at MKE consulted with AOPA, and the best strategy was to form a local association to strengthen the GA community and advocate for locally based pilots at both airports. The GMGAA was born in December of 2023, and the association is now able to take on members via its new website, and planning is in progress for in-person events and meetings.
So a group from Milwaukee got fed up with aopa's advocacy (or lack thereof) and started their own thing?
When will you guys realize piston aircraft owners are supporting members of the Business Jet Owners Association? You would all quit if AOPA changed the name.HUH???
It reads to me that they, working WITH AOPA, decided that a local group would enhance their position.
It reads to me that someone reached out to AOPA to see if they'd get involved, and AOPA said, "Nah, do it yourself."HUH???
It reads to me that they, working WITH AOPA, decided that a local group would enhance their position.
This is how I took itIt reads to me that someone reached out to AOPA to see if they'd get involved, and AOPA said, "Nah, do it yourself."
The rest of the email. I haven't read the AOPA link. The email came from "AOPA’s Regional Manager for Airports and State Advocacy – Great Lakes Region"Do you have any contact info for people trying to get involved there?
I foresee hangar space becoming less available and more expensive at Kenosha, Waukesha, and West Bend.....
Was Vref really a benefit before? I think that's why they took it down. Realizing the same year and model of aircraft could be vastly different with different engines via stc, paint, interior and avionics that could span 12 presidents.AIRCRAFT VALUATION
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Yes, vref is a very useful tool.Was Vref really a benefit before? I think that's why they took it down. Realizing the same year and model of aircraft could be vastly different with different engines via stc, paint, interior and avionics that could span 12 presidents.
God forbid they do something helpful with the >$100M in net assets, including $73 million in "Alternative Investments" that are not publically traded, which includes $23M in Central American and Caribbean assets. (Source: 990 form from 2022, the numbers are likely significantly higher by now.)Well, they may be worried about setting a precedent.
They probably don't want to set an expectation that they will get involved every time a local airport tears down a hangar or changes a tie-down layout.
That is why VREF was good. You could specify those STCs and ancient or new or mix of instruments to get a value as THAT plane was equiped.Was Vref really a benefit before? I think that's why they took it down. Realizing the same year and model of aircraft could be vastly different with different engines via stc, paint, interior and avionics that could span 12 presidents.
I thought AOPA was about renovate and update VREF?
If you look at the market for a couple of months, you'll get an idea quickly. I started shopping in February and but March, I had a pretty good idea of values for my specific model. I had brief conversations with three brokered airplanes that I passed on due to misrepresentation/too difficult to deal with. I ended up finding an privately represented aircraft 500 miles away and everything was done in 9 days from the first phone call (negotiations, inspection, flight home, closing...).So it looks like VREF is now no longer a feature with AOPA membership. Anyone else know how to get valuations?
That isn't the cost to do the overhaul, that is what the value of a fresh overhaul is to the next buyer. If I was buying, I wouldn't pay anywhere near the cost of a recently done overhaul, since the quality of the overhaul can vary greatly. Depending on what was specifically done, and by who, I'd pay more or less. Just listed as a "fresh" OH without a lot of info to support what was done? I'd assume OH mostly to service limits done by Joe's powerplant services in Bumblewood. Maybe Joe doesn't great work. I have no way to know, and no way to know how he'll warranty the work once the plane is 1,000 miles away. Even factory OHs are highly suspect in quality these days. I'd rather buy a plane with 250+ hours after OH, good compressions and some oil analysis info.$27,000 to overhaul an IO360? Please tell us where we can get that done in this day and age.