Anyone Flying a Velocity V-Twin?

Discussion in 'Home Builders and Sport Pilots' started by DJTorrente, Oct 10, 2014.

  1. Juliet Hotel

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    So it should be pointed out that you compared your made up GW to the published GW of the RV10 and implied your plane was better because it carries more. Not exactly a valid point there, is it?
     
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    This is true of all canard aircraft, and is indeed one reason that many choose the traditional route. I become a Velocity builder after flying an Arrow for 600 hours and realizing all my missions were typically 5000 foot runways anyway, and I never cared to play in the grass.
     
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    Indeed, for me the Velocity (std) was way more affordable than an RV-10.
     
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    I think Don was pointing out that the builder has leeway in some of the operating limitations.
     
  5. Juliet Hotel

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    Oh I know that. But he said this:
    Kinda sorta sounds like a my plane is better than your plane statement there doesn't it? And it'd be great if it were accurate, but it isn't. What's accurate is to say the Velocity has recommended gross of 2900lbs while the RV10 has a recommended gross of 2700lbs for a 200lb difference. But wait, there's more. The projected empty weight of a Velocity is 1790lbs while the projected empty weight of an RV10 is somewhere between 1520lbs and 1630lbs so lets split the difference and call it 1575lbs.

    So what'd ya know? Turns out the Velocity has a recommended gross that's 200lbs more than the RV10 but it also weighs 215lbs more empty. So turns out his plane that has a gross weight of 900lbs more than an RV actually carries 15lbs less spec for spec. Now he (or whoever built his plane) assigned some other number for gross which is perfectly legal. But its also perfectly legal to give your RV 3400lb gross. Experimental guys sure are passionate about their planes and that's great. But boy that passion sure can lead to some mighty creative math sometimes when it comes to defending their pride and joy.
     
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    Note: i only researched experimental and did demo flights before switching back to certified.
    Only point you are missing is factory support for modifying the plane.
    Van's was unwilling to provide support for me to due a significant gross weight increase so I could fly with an effective ferry tank built into the plane.
    The Velocity factory was willing to provide directions and details on how to increase the MTOW to 3400lbs, and were open to a possible 3600lbs MTOW if I set a MLW of 3400. Now there are restrictions on what the Velocity factory is willing to do. Mostly around if others will want it. They really try and avoid complete one off solutions.

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    My gross weight is not "made up". It's on the paperwork.

    I was not trying to say "my plane is better". Sorry if you got that impression.

    I was in no way trying to make a blanket statement that one plane is better than another because there are way too many variables. An RV can land slower and on MUCH shorter runways than a Velocity. And just about any shop will work on a Mooney. Not so with an E/AB.

    The point I was trying to make is that if you want 200kts cruise in a Mooney, it's going to cost a lot more money. Want to get an RV? Fine. But it's not going to be as fast as an XL-RG Velocity.

    You want to split hairs about GW? That's fine too. But you're on your own there.
     
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    Split hairs? No. Just pointing out that the statement about gross weight, which you brought up by the way, was a bit misleading.