Ames, IA November 29, 2008

Discussion in 'Cool Places to Fly' started by tonycondon, Jul 19, 2008.

  1. jmaynard

    jmaynard Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2008
    Messages:
    1,487
    Location:
    Fairmont, Minnesota
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Jay Maynard
    Me too.

    Just got home. We made it out about 9 this morning, and had no problems at all. The weather around here would even be flyable, plus or minus a stiff wind out of the north.
     
  2. tonycondon

    tonycondon Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2005
    Messages:
    15,373
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Tony
  3. tonycondon

    tonycondon Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2005
    Messages:
    15,373
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Tony
    hmm, and the moment i post that, ted decides to turn around and come back to Ames. Guess Ill have to go out to the airport and pick him up.
     
  4. sba55

    sba55 En-Route

    Joined:
    May 12, 2007
    Messages:
    2,558
    Location:
    Marin County, CA
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    sba55
    Do I get to say "told you so" ;) Glad he decided to turn around instead of pushing it more. That weather was nowhere near good enough...
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2008
  5. AdamZ

    AdamZ Administrator Management Council Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Messages:
    15,541
    Location:
    Montgomery County PA
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Adam Zucker
    I hope he has some charts for fields inbetween. Wx is KSUX lots of crud at the southern Ohio / Indiana boarder. Looks like solid IMC all the way. Freezing level is around 3K and ceilings on his route are below the freezing level down as low as 1600.
     
  6. AdamZ

    AdamZ Administrator Management Council Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Messages:
    15,541
    Location:
    Montgomery County PA
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Adam Zucker
    mmm his altitude indicates VFR hopefully he just turned aournd cause of the crap in front of him and he's above the ceilings and not in it. Now flight aware says no position indicated and the track is at the same place it was 15 min ago.
     
  7. tonycondon

    tonycondon Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2005
    Messages:
    15,373
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Tony
    his strategy was to climb above the layer. it seemed like the best bet to me. there are many holes in the overcast over this a way.
     
  8. foka4

    foka4 Pre-takeoff checklist

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2006
    Messages:
    234
    Location:
    Ankeny (Des Moines), IA
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Matt Scudwalker
    Pirep from ord: still way too nasty in the area for a mooney...
     
  9. AdamZ

    AdamZ Administrator Management Council Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2005
    Messages:
    15,541
    Location:
    Montgomery County PA
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Adam Zucker
    Man am I glad I didn't go with him. I'd be dead meat if I weren't home today.
     
  10. Tristar

    Tristar Pattern Altitude

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2005
    Messages:
    1,836
    Location:
    Lincoln, NE
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Tristar
    Jesse and I just got home. Beautiful flight above a solid layer with a few holes around Omaha. Thanks for everything guys! We had fun.
     
  11. SkyHog

    SkyHog Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2005
    Messages:
    18,490
    Location:
    Castle Rock, CO
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Everything Offends Me
    Any word from Ted yet? It doesn't look pretty up there at all.

    Glad to hear Tristan and Jesse are back now!

    Also - did Kent and Pete get out yet?
     
  12. ScottM

    ScottM Taxi to Parking

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2005
    Messages:
    42,564
    Location:
    Variable, but somewhere on earth
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    iBazinga!
    He landed about 10 minutes ago back at Ames.
     
  13. Tristar

    Tristar Pattern Altitude

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2005
    Messages:
    1,836
    Location:
    Lincoln, NE
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Tristar
    Kent and Pete got up. We were talking to them enroute. Weather seemed okay from where they were at.
     
  14. jesse

    jesse Administrator Management Council Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2005
    Messages:
    15,755
    Location:
    Lincoln, NE
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Jesse
    The weather before takeoff indiciated a 2000AGL ft overcast layer from Ames to Lincoln. I really had no interest in skud running for over a hour and a half at 1500 AGL.

    The skew-t and PIREPs led me to believe that the layer at 1500 AGL was only about a thousand feet thick and negative ice. My plan was to takeoff VFR and head east to a hole in the clouds. I filed an IFR flight plan on fltplan.com and grabbed a weather briefing from Lockheed for 'protection' purposes.

    The takeoff was a little interesting. The runway was slick (ice) and there was a slight cross-wind. The only way I could maintain the centerline was by sliding in a crab down the runway. After skating down the runway I was in the air at 1500 AGL heading east. I turned east and continued for about 30 seconds before deciding that hole wasn't that great anymore.

    I called up Des Moines approach and asked them to get me information on the tops. At this point I was directly over the airport at 1500 AGL. I was planning on just landing if the tops were too high (didn't want to be an icecube). Controller stated tops were at 3000AGL. There were no airmets for icing so I picked up my IFR clearance and climbed through the clouds. No ice.

    I heard Ted calling his takeoff at Ames so I informed him of the tops and negative ice. He picked up a popup clearance through the clouds and continued on his way.

    It was 2000 OVC all the way home with a hole around Omaha which closed up and went back to overcast. We stayed on top and I descended into the clouds to get a little actual (less than a thousand feet thick with bases at 2000 AGL..pretty safe). After about 30 minutes in the clouds we were picking up a frost on the airplane so we dropped out the bottom and took a visual into Lincoln.

    Great weekend, fun trip home, see you all next time.
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2008
  15. sba55

    sba55 En-Route

    Joined:
    May 12, 2007
    Messages:
    2,558
    Location:
    Marin County, CA
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    sba55
    Thanks everybody. Lots of fun.

    Tony, hope you'll enjoy the radio and congrats on your graduation!
     
  16. CJones

    CJones Final Approach

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2005
    Messages:
    5,039
    Location:
    Jawjuh
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    uHaveNoIdea
    I saw Ted and Tony walking down the street about 45 mins ago. Ted was thinking of giving it another try tomorrow.

    Great to see everyone again. Sorry I had to bail out early yesterday. Not all of us are on cruise control until graduation next month. ;)
     
  17. EdFred

    EdFred Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2005
    Messages:
    24,228
    Location:
    Michigan
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Ed Frederick
    Jesse -

    Did I miss you getting the IR?
     
  18. Greg Bockelman

    Greg Bockelman Administrator Management Council Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2005
    Messages:
    9,948
    Location:
    Yona (Say Joan ya), Guam
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Greg Bockelman
    Yes.:smile:
     
  19. SkyHog

    SkyHog Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2005
    Messages:
    18,490
    Location:
    Castle Rock, CO
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Everything Offends Me
  20. ScottM

    ScottM Taxi to Parking

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2005
    Messages:
    42,564
    Location:
    Variable, but somewhere on earth
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    iBazinga!
  21. vontresc

    vontresc En-Route

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    3,488
    Location:
    Madison
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    vonSegelGoober
    Well Kent and I made it back ok. WX in ames was broken at 2200' when we left. About 20 miles east the clouds cleared quite a bit, and we were able to climb above the broken/scattered layer to 5500'. It socked in again around DBQ, so we wen't below the 2500' ovc layer.

    Here are some pics.

    Cool pic coming home today. It was a lot lighter than that when I took it though.
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Just after leaving Ames
    [​IMG]

    Stop for CHEAP gas in Monroe KEFT

    [​IMG]

    Pete
     
  22. ScottM

    ScottM Taxi to Parking

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2005
    Messages:
    42,564
    Location:
    Variable, but somewhere on earth
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    iBazinga!
    No Limburger and onion sandwiches though?
     
  23. SkyHog

    SkyHog Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2005
    Messages:
    18,490
    Location:
    Castle Rock, CO
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Everything Offends Me
    Wow, Pete, great pictures!! And holy jeez, that's some cheap gas too.

    I haven't bought AvGas in years...is that about the price nowadays?
     
  24. vontresc

    vontresc En-Route

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    3,488
    Location:
    Madison
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    vonSegelGoober
    I tried to convince Kent, but he just wasn't many enough for one of those....:rofl:
     
  25. SCCutler

    SCCutler Administrator Management Council Member PoA Supporter

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2005
    Messages:
    16,745
    Location:
    Dallas
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Spike Cutler
    Nick, that's a good price.

    In my area, I could buy gas at Addison, for around $6.25 (yowie), or at Bridgeport (KXBP) for $2.60.

    A good general expectation price these days is $3.75 - $4.25.
     
  26. gprellwitz

    gprellwitz Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2005
    Messages:
    12,973
    Location:
    Romeoville, IL
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Grant Prellwitz
    Heck, we were stuck at the airport in Philly last night and thought of calling, but it was too late at night.
     
  27. Ted DuPuis

    Ted DuPuis Administrator Management Council Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    25,477
    Location:
    Paola, KS
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    #bandozer
    Yeah, had you flown out, you would have been able to make it back today without issue, I think. Obviously I did not, more on that below.
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2008
  28. Ted DuPuis

    Ted DuPuis Administrator Management Council Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    25,477
    Location:
    Paola, KS
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    #bandozer
    Sure, only if I can borrow the P-Baron. Tony said he didn't realize it was me impersonating you last night, so I'm sure the insurance won't notice. ;)

    I didn't really think I was going to make it home (although might not have emphasized that much, since there's always the hope). What I had hoped was that I was going to make it to, say, Jasper Indiana and stay at a friend's house. Chicago was obviously completely out of the question. I also figured that I had an easy out of a 180 back to Ames if necessary, which I figured was a possibility when I took off.

    The runway was icy on takeoff, and good practice. To avoid being sideways down the runway on takeoff, I applied power slowly and gingerly, probably about 10 seconds from idle to full power. With 5700 ft or so of runway, it wasn't like I had to worry about running out. By doing it that way, I managed to take off in a straight line and smoothly. I'd gotten Jesse's PIREP, and went straight to a VFR on top clearance (first time I got that) and they let me pop right up. I then climbed up to 11,500, and started heading for Indiana.

    That's when I started looking at the 496 more (thanks Missa). Since I had an easy out of making it back into Ames, I was comfortable continuing on. The barometer was dropping very quickly (like 0.5" every time I got handed off), and I saw the wall of weather that eventually caused me to turn around. Part of the deception was my track vs. my heading, due to the crosswind. Basically to get around it required due south, and looking at weather patterns on the 496 it looked like I was going to need to go to Mississippi if I wanted to avoid it. So, worse than I saw when I looked at it earlier. Also, the forecast for tomorrow looked better. So, once it got to the point where it became evident that the solid wall was actually worse than I thought from what I'd checked at the hotel, I decided to turn around and come back to Ames.

    I ended up landing with about close to a direct 15 kt crosswind due to the more favorable runway being really slushed up. Good landing, plane and pilot back on the ground safely.

    It really was a beautiful flight, and good learning experience. Fortunately, I don't have to be back at work until Wednesday, and I can take more vacation if needed. That said, nothing against Ames but I'd rather get home tomorrow if possible. :)

    If you have to get stuck somewhere, getting stuck here with such excellent company is as good as you could hope for. I had a great time seeing everyone and meeting a bunch of people for the first time. In reality, I'm glad that I didn't leave yesterday because it was such a good time. That said, leaving today would've been nice. ;)
     
  29. jmaynard

    jmaynard Cleared for Takeoff

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2008
    Messages:
    1,487
    Location:
    Fairmont, Minnesota
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Jay Maynard
    You sure? Mooneys are supposed to be runway lovers, after all... :)

    Glad to hear you made the safe decision.
     
  30. flyingcheesehead

    flyingcheesehead Touchdown! Greaser!

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2005
    Messages:
    22,977
    Location:
    UQACY, WI
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    iMooniac
    Yep. There was a hole above Ames when we left for the airport (I think that's the same one Jesse was going to climb through), but it was overcast when we took off. It thinned out pretty quickly and there was a hole big enough to climb through without deviating from course before we got to Marshalltown, and after we were on top in the beautiful, sunny, smooth (despite the airmet for moderate turbulence below 12,000) sky, it cleared up even further. There was one spot where we weren't within about 20 miles of a cloud. It eventually started getting a bit cloudy again, with streets of scattered clouds below, and finally started to look like the holes weren't going to stick around for long so I dropped through one about 10 miles west of Dubuque. We flew to Monroe (KEFT) for the cheap gas and the last short leg from Monroe to Madison both at 2500 MSL.

    We did see a nice glory when there were clouds in the right spot. :)

    No. That's the cheapest in the state right now I think. We're paying $4.29 at the home drome. I'd consider anything under $3.75 to be a pretty good deal.
     
  31. Steve

    Steve En-Route

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2005
    Messages:
    4,182
    Location:
    Tralfamadore
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Fly Right
    That would have not been too bad an idea... ;)
     
  32. bkreager

    bkreager Pre-takeoff checklist

    Joined:
    May 8, 2006
    Messages:
    296
    Location:
    here and there...
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    RedTail
    Ugh, Tony's map for lunch reminded me of the memories (or lack of them) at Hayward and Hunt! Did you guys go to Battles BBQ?
     
  33. tonycondon

    tonycondon Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2005
    Messages:
    15,373
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Tony
    no, we went to dublin bay for supper on saturday and hickory park for lunch sunday. ted and i had lunch at stomping grounds (aka the hippie place) today.

     
  34. skyflyer8

    skyflyer8 Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2006
    Messages:
    970
    Location:
    Florence, KY
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Kate
    (snipped picture of the stuffed ape)

    Felix -- know anything about this?

    The story has made it all the way to the Chicago Tribune.
     
  35. sba55

    sba55 En-Route

    Joined:
    May 12, 2007
    Messages:
    2,558
    Location:
    Marin County, CA
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    sba55
    Well you know, there isn't much to do in Ames. No cows around for cow-tipping, so.... :D
     
  36. ScottM

    ScottM Taxi to Parking

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2005
    Messages:
    42,564
    Location:
    Variable, but somewhere on earth
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    iBazinga!
    We need to do a PoA fly-in to that place sometime.
     
  37. tonycondon

    tonycondon Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2005
    Messages:
    15,373
    Location:
    Wichita, KS
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    Tony
    well ted's at the airport (again). probably will be an hour at least before he departs, needs to preheat the mooney and melt a fair layer of frost off the airframe.
     
  38. ScottM

    ScottM Taxi to Parking

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2005
    Messages:
    42,564
    Location:
    Variable, but somewhere on earth
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    iBazinga!
    Just throw some salt on the wing!
     
  39. Ted DuPuis

    Ted DuPuis Administrator Management Council Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    25,477
    Location:
    Paola, KS
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    #bandozer
    You know, if I knew what your airport identifier was, I might have done it! :)

    I had a nice rest of day and evening with Tony and Leah, and things are looking better today, so I should at least get somewhere, hopefully home.

    There always has to be one person with problems returning home, statistically it makes sense for the person who came the furthest (by GA, anyway, Felix cheated ;)).
     
  40. AdamB

    AdamB Line Up and Wait

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2008
    Messages:
    512
    Location:
    KLWM
    Display Name:

    Display name:
    AdamB
    Fly Safe Ted.
    Looks better today and you'll have a decent tailwind.