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Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by Richard, Sep 11, 2006.
I just heard a Brasilia (EMB 120) on 5 mile final reporting 300 KTS into Class D.
GS or indicated?
I would imagine it was indicated. But he was on 5 mile final for Rwy 29, ATIS was reporting winds as 30014. Previous ATIS was 29011. Mag Var 14W.
I guess someone forgot about FAR 91.117.
Looks like someone forgot to read paragraph (b)
91.117(b) Unless otherwise authorized or required by ATC...
ATC did not require and probably did not request 300 knots.
Hmmm, yep I can hear it now.
ATC "Brasila 123 maintain 300 knots or better to the outer there's a SR71 behind you".
For a while IAH was doing a program last year where they were omitting the 250Kts below 10k. However, they have since then scratched that program. I dont know if they were the only facility "testing" this feature or not. Meaning, I dont know if that ATC facility was doing the same.
I can do 300Kts to five miles final but I have to throw out everything to slow down. I did this once on a medical flight and asked for a deviation because of patient emergency. It was granted. Pretty much made the plane cavitate like you would looking at your grandma in her underwear.
Actually I think the SR71 flew a fairly reasonable final. Now the F104 and F105, those honked on final.
As did the delta winged F-102 which President Bush flew.
Any chance you misunderstood the transmission? Could have been something to do with heading 300 to intercept final for RWY 29. I don't even think a Brasilia gets close to 300 knots at that low altitude. Side note: Airspeed is reported as indicated to the tower I believe.
It looks like you are correct about the improbability of 300KIAS, the airspeed envelope is published in the TC Data Sheet on page 9 see:
Dang it, Adam. What fun are you? Yeah, Flight 3333, 3,000 descending, hdg 300, with 3 pax and 3 chickens onboard, we're 3 minutes late, arrival gate 3 in 3 minutes, local time now 3:33.