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  1. Alexb2000

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    I am planning on picking up a new truck tomorrow or the next day. Been a few years (2005) since I bought a Ford after the challenges with the diesels I backed off. Anyway, the market is moving so fast that you really need to look at all the options. I've decided to try gas mainly for the mileage, fuel cost (gas vs. diesel), and complexity of the newest diesels.

    Anyway not 100% done, but we'll see.

    Thoughts, advice, comments, anything productive?
     
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    Towing insurance? :lol:
     
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    I have a 2012 F-150 Supercrew with the Ecoboost V-6, and it's the best truck I've ever owned. I have 70,000 miles on it, and the 10,000 mile oil change frequency is pretty cool. I'm sure I'll take it to over 200,000 miles.

    The jury is out on the Ecoboost. The mileage is not quite what I had hoped for. But it's not bad, and the acceleration is great. If I have any engine issues (which I haven't) I wil go with the V-8 next time.

    I'm not sure I like the tailgate on the 2015, but that's just a style issue. I think Ford's fit and finish is outstanding.

    Good luck in your search. And if you're not already a member, join the EAA and get X-Plan pricing on your Ford. I've bought 3 vehicles that way.
     
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    I have an 03 f250 diesel. I love it. Bought it from my dad. Just broke 180k miles. Things very reliable. Maintenance is more but diesel is usually cheaper in summer and doesn't jump in price nearly as much as gas. At least by me.
     
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    Great reference thanks, I ordered a crew, 4x4, lariat, 3.5 ecoboost. Even if I average 17-18 vs. the 19 the sticker suggests, it will be fine. After 15 years of diesels the main attraction was the 460 ft. lbs. at 2500 rpm.
     
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    Bring it by my place sometime.....
     
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    You won't cut it up for the aluminum will you?:)
     
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    I have a 2012 supercab 4x4 with the 5.0 and I'm pretty happy with it. I got the 3.73 rear end since I tow fairly often. I can get 20-21 highway if I'm good with feathering the gas pedal and keep it under 70. City only driving is more like 15-16.

    Towing a loaded 2-horse trailer down the highway we're looking at 10-13... interstate speeds being the 10, country 2-lane being 13. That's about a 5000# load but bear in mind it's a tall trailer with a LOT of wind resistance. The 5.0 has plenty of power for this and for unladen driving. It definitely delivers the torque when you step on the gas. I guess the ecoboost is supposed to get better economy but I've been happy with the 5.0.

    The newer generation traction control is amazing. It actually helps instead of getting in the way. First vehicle I haven't wanted to disable it on.

    Ford Sync is a great system if like me, you keep your music on your smartphone. The hands free phone features are nice as well.

    IMO best bang for the buck trim level is XLT... you get power windows/locks/keyless/sync/cloth seats/decent trim/etc.

    The 2 options I wish I'd ordered from the factory are running boards and the backup camera(for trailer hookups).

    Yeah the extended oil drain intervals are nice but just FYI the 5.0 at least holds 8qts of oil.


    I guess that's all I can think of, but ask me anything.
     
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    Oops, you figured out my diabolical plan!!

    I want an opportunity to meet you again (last time was when Ted was in town, but you were on other end of table) and see the 2015 up close.

    But the design choices, including metal choice, is gonna push a change of methodology to salvaging. Especially with what is to be done with the carcass once we extract the rapidly selling and profitable parts.
     
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    2015 F-150s now have an aluminum body.
    Or is that 2016.

    Jury is still out on impact to Body Shops and accident repairs. They need to learn how to weld on aluminum.
     
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    Good review. I am looking forward to using the Sync. My Denali is a great vehicle, but the nav. and stereo suck for that level of vehicle. I am also happy that Ford kept the coded entry on the outside. My old 2001 NM fishing truck has that and I use it all the time. I also struggled with the 5.0 vs. ecoboost. I like the simplicity of the V8, but spending a lot of time in NM at high elevations a turbo is really nice especially when towing a trailer.

    Time will tell.
     
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    I've got to figure this truck thing out and move my plane to McKinney this week. If I get a chance I'll come up and maybe we can grab lunch.

    I'm thinking of leasing for just this reason. If it gets damaged it might not ever be the same. I will say the fit and finish are amazing. The body lines are on par with any luxury car. It is clear that Ford knows the stakes if they screw it up.
     
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    The original "I don't know it all" of aviation.
    The "can they fix it" is a good question to ask. John from Atlanta might have info about what's being done to address that.

    And your concern that "it might never be the same" might need something to address the diminished value issue as we discussed a few weeks ago.
     
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    I was all tee'd up to get one when we come back to the States later this year, but now I'm thinking there is so much demand for new F150's driving up prices, between that and the USD getting stronger Tundras are starting to look like a good deal.
     
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    Use the EAA X plan pricing or in my case I used the Costco pricing that was a little better. There are almost none on the lots and I got just over $5K off. Tundras are great trucks but like all Toyotas you give up a lot just because it is a Toyota. The 20-25% fuel economy difference was a big factor for me as well.
     
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    Tundras hold value even when wrecked... 2010 and newer with the big gas engine and mashed in the nose still bring 10k or more at Copart and IAA.
     
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    You're gonna love it!! The technology is amazing, the ride and handling are better than ever, the fuel economy is better than 2014! :D The aluminum body repairs are different than steel, but Audi has been using aluminum for several years. Replacing the fenders are no different than steel, there are some changes in the way the body shops have to be set up for aluminum welding and different tools have to be used. due to the expense and space required, I am not setting my body shop up for aluminum right now. I'll probably do it in a year or two, but with a small shop, it's hard to make the numbers work. I estimated it would take us somewhere in the $50K range to get set up and certified for body work, assuming 2-4 jobs in 2015 and 6-8 in 2016, it would take 8-10 years to get recoup my costs! :mad2:
    We've sold every Platinum, King Ranch and Lariat we've had in, with several more sold on order.:D It helps that the other dealers are trying to make big money on them, so we are getting some new customers! :D
     
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    Can't comment on the newest F-150s, but if they're built as well as the old ones, they will be good for a LONG time. My 2001 Supercrew 4x4 is the best vehicle I've ever owned, it still looks and drives great. I'd love a new '15, but it's hard to justify when I still get compliments on the old one. So instead I bought a '14 Mustang GT 5.0 track pack, FUN car!

    When I need a new truck, I'll be buying another F-150.
     
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    I'm sure as the numbers in service increase it will make more sense to invest in aluminum repair.

    Any reason not to go with the 3.5 ecoboost?
     
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    My truck is sometimes in constant use but sometimes will sit for 2-3 weeks without being driven. My only concern when choosing the 3.5 eco vs. the 5.0 is which engine would be more tolerant of infrequent use. I'm inclined to believe the old(er) tech V-8 would be better in this situation. I'd be curious if the oil would drain from the turbo bearings during extended periods.

    Has your 3.5 eco ever sat for an exteneded period of time?
     
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    That's my feelings, we probably had 3 or 4 2014 F-150's in the body shop last year and if those numbers hold up, for 2015's we will be able to repair at least half of the 15's with the equipment we have now. Not being aluminum certified will cost me two or three jobs this year and maybe 4 or 5 next year, but until the demand is there, I am not spending $50K! :eek:
    As for the 3.5, so far it's been a great engine, the early ones had an issue with moisture getting in the induction system in heavy rain, but that was resolved a couple years ago. We are regularly seeing them now with 130K miles on them with no unusual issues!:D
     
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    Thanks John.
     
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    Alex... I might have missed it from an earlier post, but like we discuss for aircraft, what's the primary and secondary missions for this truck?
     
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    I am not towing as much as I used to or as heavy. i still have 5 trailers in NM which top out around 10K (slightly higher if I drag my Cat skid steer around). I also do a lot of truck stuff, HD, steel supplier, etc. so having a bed and towing ability is key. I have been driving diesels for the last 15 years so this will be a big change. I didn't go back with a diesel because I feel that even though they are quieter, more powerful, and produce almost no emissions, they are also expensive to operate (~15 quarts of oil every 5K), DEF fluid is required, and when they get some miles and require some repairs it will be expensive because of the complexity. Not to mention the ~25% fuel premium that diesel is bringing.

    As part of this I will sell not only my Duramax, but my Prius estimating vehicle. The Prius has been literally perfect, I can find no faults with it, but the strategy is to just consolidate to one vehicle. Less hassles, less car washes, less management. All of those things I hope will balance out the increased fuel use and mileage on a single truck. Not to mention my wife and I have 6 vehicles between us, so parking alone is a challenge.

    Lately I have been keeping vehicles a long time, however the math doesn't really support that anymore. The cost of money is very cheap, the residual values are high, and the technology improvements are becoming compelling (fuel economy, power, etc).

    I'm certainly open to criticism of those thoughts so fire away.
     
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    For those thinking the 5.0 it old tech, it's nothing of the sort. Just different tech. There are 80-100 extra wearable components on a 5.0 vs the EB v6 if I recall correctly, so it's not like the 5.0 is less complex in terms of the number of components.

    However, most of the data I have seen really puts the 5.0 and EB v6 about dead even, so it becomes purely personal preference. The 5.0 has that great v8 sound and low end torque. The EB v6 has the flat power band, so it's less "peaky" than the 5.0. Both will tow just fine, but the EB may show more benefit if you tow in/through the mountains.

    As for the aluminum thing . . . give it a rest. Hundreds of thousands of cars on the road are aluminum-bodied. A large portion of the trucks were already aluminum, they just decided to do the entire thing now. Body shops will repair them just fine.

    I've had the '98 Lariat and currently an '08 Lariat. They have both been virtually flawless in operation and nothing but general maintenance. The wife has had a 99, 01, and 07 GM truck and she'd take my Fords over any of them. Not because her trucks have ever failed to function, but the little things breaking (gauges, tailgate handles, etc). BTW, the oil change interval is solely due to the full-synthetic oil instead of the semi-synthetic they were using before with yielded 7,500 max oil change intervals. It's nice, but it's not due to anything improved on the engines themselves.

    PS - get the rear-view camera. Even if you don't tow, you will use it religiously. I didn't care about it when I bought my '08, but it's one of the most-used features on the truck (although my power back glass and moonroof are close behind).
     
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    Curiosity got me wondering on the market prices for the recycled "main" parts, so I looked on my network and here's what I can share.

    (this isn't intended to be any commentary on Alex's decision. However, the data points might be useful to some. Prices quoted are with the "shorter" warranties of 90 days, do not include any freight or core charges, do not reflect regionality or what your local used part provider might ask, are subject to change, and can cause slight reductions of personal cash reserves or increases in personal debt when purchased. I don't have interchange coverage on the 2015 F150 yet)

    2014 F150 Recycled Part Prices
    • 3.5L Engine, less turbo, $3900
    • 3.7L Engine, $1500
    • 5.0L Engine, $2500
    • 6.2L Engine, $2800
    • Turbo, 3.7L, $400 each (there is one on each side)
    • Auto Transmission, 3.7L, 4x2, $1000 (I don't think demand that will drive price upward has started yet)
    • Auto Transmission, 3.7L, 4x4, $1000 (I don't think demand that will drive price upward has started yet)
    • Rear Axle Assy, 9.75" ring gear, base payload package (6 lug axles), w/electric locking differential (electrical connector on face of center axle housing), 3.55 ratio, $1900
    • Front Left door, power, keyless, with glass and regulator, less mirror, $850
    • Rear Left door, power, crew cab, $700
    • Tailgate, w/locking handle and camera, $700 (a bit less if we keep camera)
    • Rear Bumper, Styleside, w/tow package, w/o heavy duty payload package; w/park assist, chromed, $600 (includes rebar)
    • Pickup Bed, $2000 (gate and lights not included)
    • Hood, $700
    • Grille, Lariat all chrome, $275
    • Headlight, HID - $500 ea, Halogen, $175 ea
    • Front Bumper Assembly, Lariat chrome lower & painted upper, $550
    • Fender, Front; w/o wheel lip moulding; L., $250
     
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    One of the things I am really looking forward to. I am pretty good with a trailer, but it still takes a couple of tries. Not to mention parking spaces designed for a sub-compact. Can't wait for the camera.
     
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    Correct, the 5.0 "coyote" has nothing in common with the old 5.0 Ford V-8. This new 5.0 is thoroughly modern (released in 2011) and is a 32 valve dual overhead cam engine with twin independent variable camshaft timing. It is quite trick and on par with the best V8 engines from anywhere in the world.

    In my Mustang tune, it puts out 420hp and 390 lb-ft of torque, very respectable numbers for a small V8.

    It is de-tuned somewhat for use in the F-150 and is rated at 385/387, still healthy.
     
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    Yeah, I was always able to get with 4-6" of the trailer hitch on the boat with no spotter, but I can put it spot-on every time with the camera. I had to do the get in/out dance when hooking up to the flatbed trailers since I couldn't see them in the rear view mirror. Again, the camera makes it simple one and done. Parking spaces are a breeze, too, even though I have the big tow mirrors on mine that are also great. However if the '08 F-150s had the integrated wide-view like the newer models have, I wouldn't have opted for the big tow mirrors. Changing lanes without having to look over your shoulder is fantastic.
     
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    I'm kind of hoping SVT outfits a 5.0 in EB-trim and puts it in the Raptor or brings back the Lightning! :yesnod:
     
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    I love the Synch system. I had a Ford Fiesta rental last summer with it installed and it was great. Toss my iPad and phone in the passenger seat and my iTunes would automatically start where it was on the playlist when I shut it down last, and phone is online to answer. Best thing was it took me only a couple of minutes to sit down cold at it and get both devices working (I tried to do it in French but failed.:lol:). It's a pretty good, intuitive interface. I remember there were a couple minor points of annoyance, but they weren't significant enough to remember what they were, I think it had to do with button placement. All in all for any modern digital interface, that's pretty good, because most have something that ****es me off enough that I remember.:lol:
     
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    It's never sat more than 3 days at the airport when I was on a business trip. It may have sat a week once, but otherwise I drive it at least six days per week, and usually at least 50 miles per day 5 days a week.
     
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    Agree on the rear view camera. I use this vehicle for commuting, and at the end of the day the Supercrew is a long vehicle, even with the short bed. Consequently I always back in to parking spaces whenever possible, and you can get it within 1" of the wall and never touch it.

    Its a little tougher pulling into a space and getting within 1" without touching the wall.
     
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    Yeah, I had seen that. I was hoping it would be considered for the future. The outgoing 6.2L is a beast though and sounds great as well. I'd just like to see what a twin-turbo'd direct-injected 5.0L would put out in Raptor/Lightning spec, lol.
     
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    Actually new technology is much more conducive to sitting than old tech, electronics are typically sealed and don't mind sitting. As far as the turbo oil goes, it's a non issue unless you hit the key with your foot on the floor and leave it there, and even then you won't likely do it any harm. The softer metal of the bearing provides more than sufficient lubrication at 'cold' temps, the biggest job of oil in the turbo is to maintain 'cold' temps and carry away heat from the bearing (same goes for the engine as well). In the start up period, this isn't really a factor since oil will get there before temperatures climb, or the turbine begins to spin in earnest.
     
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    Can't believe I didn't mention this yet.... I'm def a Ford guy but if I was looking for a half ton right now I'd check out the ram 1500 diesel. Pretty good mpg and towing capacity advertised on those, plus diesel engines tend to last a lot longer. Also, you get that cool diesel sound and smell(what some people don't like that? How can you not like that?).
     
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    Testament to Cummnis that I have 3 of the 2013 6.7L's for nearly a year and no demand for them, and the price has been dropped several times.
     
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    I'm looking forward to seeing what the next Raptor looks like but on the engine front it is disappointing because it is going to be tough to really improve it. The previous had the 6.2 V8 which is really easy to bring up to 800 HP relatively inexpensively. This next Raptor is going to need an engine swap if you want to go significantly over the stock power and torque. The Raptor really needs a lot more power than stock to "wake up" ;)
     
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    No reason to dislike the diesel, but they have a hefty price premium for the engine over the gasser, and then you get to pay more $/gal for fuel and DEF, too. I like the idea of Dodge (and now Nissan) getting a diesel option into the 1/2 ton market, but the dollars just don't justify it for most people unless you tow constantly. To be honest, I'm probably going to a 3/4-1ton if I'm going to go diesel. The EPA numbers with the EB v6 on the 2015 F-150 are around 20mpg and the Dodge 1/2ton diesel is 23, so it's close to a wash in terms of cost per mile to drive.