1978 Piper Warrior II for sale

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  1. John Baker

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    This is a very clean privately owned airplane. Exterior is a 10, interior is an 8. It has been meticulously maintained in the five years I have owned it.

    IFR current, all avionics working except for the ADF.

    No damage history, complete logs since day one of its existence.

    I'm retired now and can not afford to keep an airplane any longer so I have to sell it. She flies straight and true. This plane has no squawks whatsoever and is ready to fly the day you take possession with no further investment needed.

    It does have a high time engine with around 250 hours to go before TBO. It is an excellent Lycoming 160 with high compression on all cylinders and should run well past TBO.

    I am asking 30K for her, firm on the price. Contact me via PM if you are interested.

    It is at KMYF in San Diego at NAC.

    John
     

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    It's a beautiful Warrior, John. I followed along on your quest for your certificate...no one earned the right to fly that fine machine more than you. I hope you'll continue to aviate.
     
  3. SCCutler

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    John, that surely looks like a fine value for some lucky pilot.

    I'd challenge your characterization of 250 shy of TBO as "high-time" on a Lyc 320; these engines routinely go to 2500 and 3000 hours with reasonable MX practices and frequent flight.
     
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    I am saddened to hear you have to part ways with your aircraft. Is it at all possible that you could find a partner or two and keep it?
     
  5. John Baker

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    I'm setting up a woodworking shop in my garage, more for fun than income, however, I have found over the years that when I am doing something I enjoy, people start handing me money.

    It is a stretch to think I can afford an airplane, but it is possible. I do love to fly, however, meeting all the requirements of extensive medical tests the FAA has burdened me with each and every year, then waiting for their approval to fly is getting old, very old. Each year I only get about eight months or less flying time before it starts all over again.

    If I sold my airplane, I could easily live on my Social Security. I guess I am putting it up for sale just to see what will happen.

    I appreciate the kind thoughts.

    Thanks,

    John
     
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    Sorry to hear you're selling, John. I guess we all get there, sooner or later.
     
  7. John Baker

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    I received a PM asking me what it costs to own my Warrior. This was my answer;

    The cost of owning varies from year to year, depending on how much you fly and what is discovered during your annual inspection. I figure it's around five thousand dollars a year average for me.

    I pay a hundred a month for my tie down. Insurance is $780 a year. Annual inspection ranges from $1,500, that was this years, last years was a little over $4,000.00, but other years have been about $2,500.00.

    Then this year I had the exterior paint gone over, that was $1,000. Lately I have only been flying a couple of times a month, but now that I'm retired, probably be more if I can't sell it.

    I'm kind of picky about my airplane, so I probably spend more than I need to.

    Hope this helped,

    John
     
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    I sincerely hope that you get what you want out of it, but still find ways to get into the air. As another poster said, I cannot imagine anyone more deserving than you.
     
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    I can't believe that in the area you live in you wouldn't be able to find a partner or non-equity block renter to help you cut down on the fixed cost. Have you tried that yet ? It sounds like it is the ongoing cost that is hurting you, not the investment in the plane itself.
     
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    I haven't looked at that because of my high time engine. If I fly it myself, I have two or three more years of flying before having to come up with 20-25K to rebuild or replace the engine.

    With a partner, I will have to come up with at least half of that in about a year, I just don't have it. Also, a partner will undoubtedly be using it a lot more than I would, so I would be subsidizing someone else's flying, I can't afford that either.

    I'm also close to losing my medical in a few years. I'm thinking selling it now, while it is in beautiful shape, just makes more sense.

    John
     
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    Can you do a leaseback to a school?
     
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    I looked at that as well. It is true you can pick up a few bucks doing that, but again, it's that engine thing. In a school it would be just a few months before I had to replace it. Then in a few years, I would be the owner of a flying wreck of a plane.

    John
     
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    John:

    You should read Mike Busch's excellent articles on engines and TBO. The take-away message? It's nuts to rear into a good running engine based solely upon time!
     
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    The insurance gets sufficiently nuts to limit their financial value.
     
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    I had planned on running it well past TBO, but I'm not so sure I could do that with partners or a lease back. I'm pretty sure most schools would want a current engine. My guess is for the average pilot, my engine has four or five years left in it, maybe more. I've never even had a hiccup with that engine.

    A few years back, in the heat of the summer out over the desert, it was making some funny (well not so funny) noises, but it continued on anyway. I found out later that the noise was actually the magnetos complaining about the hot dry air, but nothing to concern myself with.

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    Sometimes its better to just sell the damn thing to avoid the future operating expenses associated with the airplane.
     
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    Exactly. :yeahthat:

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    Well said!

    John I wish you the best in your efforts to sell the plane!
     
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    He would be subsidizing your flying and possibly buy you an engine overhaul.

    You own the plane, all depends on how you structure the deal. Have him pay 1/2 of what it costs to hold the keys (ins, tiedown, annual) and charge an hourly rate for overhaul reserves. He buys the fuel and leaves it at whatever level you agree upon ('tabs' or full). It'll be cheaper than renting for him and as you are a low-usage pilot he would have plenty of availability.
     
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    Nuts to rear... ROFL... that's just not right. :hairraise:
     
  21. John Baker

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    Dirty, dirty, really dirty, mind. Pilots, how can you not love em?

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    Sorry to hear you will have to let her go. Hopefully it could find a home close by so that perhaps you could get rides in her still.
     
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    Rides in her, huh? Okay John what is the airplanes name. :)Wish our club could trade our 1978 Warrior for yours. Ours got trashed a couple years ago.
     
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    I never got around to naming her, probably should have, but then that would make her even harder to sell. I'm not so sure about your club if it goes around trashing their Warriors. :nono:

    John
     
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    Anyone got a good CNC Router they'd want to trade for my plane? I'd want spindle instead of router, 48X48 up to 48X96. At least 3 or more hp.

    John
     
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    She just sat out in the rain and she had a leak and so it ruined the fabric. Other then the cosmetic she's a good airplane - her name is Wanda. (Wanda the Warrior).
     
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    Xena would be a good alternate.

    And what warm blooded male didn't have the hots for Lucy Lawless in that outfit!
     
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    She shows up these days in a cable version of Spartacus wearing far less and looking incredible.
     
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    OK fine, make an offer.

    John
     
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    She would have to try very hard, indeed, to look less than incredible.
     
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    Where are you in San Diego? I will be out there for work, and might be interested in kicking the tires with you in the hangar...
     
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    Question: what does the state of CA charge you annually for registration and/or tax?
     
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    Sorry I missed you when I was out in San Diego. I'll keep an eye on the post and see if it sells before I am out there next.
     
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    It's actually the county tax collector that I have to deal with. It's, if I remember right from last year, around $325.00

    -John
     
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    I still have it, I'll drop the price $3,000.00 to $27,000.00 if I can sell it before the end of August when it's annual is due. Book value on this plane is $30,000.00.

    If your a bargain hunter and expect me to drop the price further, no I won't. If I give it an annual, the price is back to $30,000.00.

    The plane has no squawks, everything that needed done was done in it's last annual. I've flown it only a few hours since. Heck, the oil is still clear.

    All the avionics work perfectly, including the glide slope. The ADF is the only thing that does not work. You do not need an ADF. Don't stew about the ADF.

    With a book value of 30K and a purchase price of 27K, you should have no problem financing this plane.

    -John
     
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    Sorry you'r shaving such troubles selling it John. I don't think your price unreasonable, though it is possible that things are worse than I realize. I can only wish you the best of luck.
     
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    It's a nice looking airplane, John. Best of luck.
     
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    Thanks Steingar. My problem with selling it is I haven't been actually trying all that hard. I ran it in Trade A Plane for a few months over a year ago, and that was all the advertising I've done, other than here and word of mouth.

    You should ask Mrs. Steingar if you can have another airplane. A guy can never have too many airplanes. :yesnod:

    -John
     
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    Mrs. Steingar would say no to that. My recommendation would be to to advertise it widely in Trade-a-Plane, Controller, Barnstormers, and anywhere else you can find that doesn't cost you and arm and a leg. I suggest further that you use more informal advertising. Make up a flyer and post it in the local FBOs. Send one to someone Oskkosh bound and they can put it up and the board. Were it me, I'd put an ad on Craigslist. It's free, and you never know who's looking.
     
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