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What about a 177 as an alternative to a 172 with the 180 conversion? I can't find anything inherently wrong with them from my research. They are rarer alright but other than cost there doesn't seem to be any reason they sold in small numbers. They have good power and payload after 1969 (180)...

Thanks peggy. There are costs there that aren't mentioned online during my searches. I figure the low hours is definitely the way to go for my needs (completely new to it all). Incidentally. What are the 15k quotes I've been getting for? A rebuild or just refurb? The 172 is definitely getting...

over the years I've love helping out on my cars and bikes but I'm not sure I'd want to be in the air in something I had a hand in :P breaking down at the side of the road is a pain. breaking up at 5000ft would be a PAIN

Ok then. Suppose you've decided on the 172 with the 180 conversion (note the clever sticking the the original thread while still sneaking in my own selfish question ;) ) would you: a) pay low money (20-30k) for a high hour plane in need of a rebuild and pay the 15-20k (searches on web so far)...

Thanks for the info and the welcome. One more question. Isn't it a conversion? I figured it would be work carried out on your engine. You're saying they trade out. What sort of cost is involved there? The searches I've done are saying in and around 15-16k for a rebuild of a 180 engine. Is it...

Does the conversion make the 172 a true 4 people craft or am I just clutching at straws? (no luggage just the people) :confused: I was hoping to get a 4 seater without the added expense of the 182. Also, does it reduce the life of the engine? P.S. This is my first post on here so hello to all.