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I'm simply trying to increase my safety margins. In the middle of summer I don't fly with all 4 seats filled. I asked a reasonable question regarding actual weights. I have looked all over the Internet and haven't found the answer. Let's say 20 galling of fuel and one 170# FAA standard...

I don't mind the Cherokee cabin. Just noticed all published numbers at gross weight. Did piper increase MGTOW for marketing at the expense of numbers on paper. Ultimately the question is about the performance difference with the same payload.

Ok, not going to start a big high wing/low wing debate. I think I have a legitimate question. I currently own a piper archer. I am not happy with the takeoff distance/climb. Curious to know how the 235 and 182 stack up as a potential replacement. I am aware that both have changed over the years...