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I don't know, but in my conversations with the FAA it was clear that 1) they expect several issues will still need to clarified, and 2) surrendering certificates is not something they want to see.

I have now received a written opinion from AFS-810 stating that the 24 month window is available in my case. Apparently an ATP-ASEL holder also have the 24 month window if passing the written before Aug. 1. PM me if you need more info.

I was called back today by AFS-610. I was told the intent was to allow the 24 month window for both ATP-Heli and ATP-SEL certificate holders and that guidance has now been drafted to that effect and is being reviewed by legal. Send me a PM if you are affected by this and I'll try to get you more...

I talked with the quite helpful folks in AFS-280 today, and they said their intent was NOT to exclude those already holding ATP certificates in a different category from qualifying for the 24-month window. They said they'd have legal take a look, but that if there was a conflict they would...

That's true for some, but not in my case. The issue is that I don't get the 24 months, since I already have a ATP-Helicopter. Already have ATP = You lose the 24 month window altogether.

I can't imagine the FAA intended for pilots to surrender their certificates to get better treatment. I plan to call James Viola and Barbara Adams to discuss this. Perhaps the FAA could approve a variance???

If I had an ATP SEL, I think I would be tempted to give it up to get the 24 month window. The ATP Heli, however, took enormous effort and expense.That would be a painful decision.

Awesome. Thank you. It doesn't seem like a logical result, but since when has that stopped the feds? :D

So please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the takeaways are: 1) If you have no ATP, you can take the airplane written before Aug. 1 and have 24 months to pass the AMEL practical. 2) If you have an ATP without an AMEL rating, the 24 month window is not available.

Which part? Following those decision trees, it would seem that I'm okay to just take the written now despite having an ATP in a different category, but the §61.165(c)(2) definitely says otherwise. "(2) After July 31, 2014, successfully complete the airline transport pilot certification...

That's correct. §61.165(e)(3) points to §61.159(a)(3), which requires "50 hours of flight time in the class of airplane for the rating sought...." Interestingly, though, it appears that time does NOT have to be PIC time, so I think my 10 hours of twin dual received from 18 years ago should...

By the way, I'm already shopping for an Apache. Sure would be nice to only have to take the written by July 31, but again, that doesn't seem to cut it. Why, oh, why did I already earn an ATP? For the first time ever, I wish I didn't have it.

It is quite confusing, since the pre-Aug 1 decision tree says nothing about those already holding an ATP, either in the airplane category or in some other category, and the post-Aug 1 decision tree just points back to the pre-Aug 1 tree if the applicant passed the written before August 1. I...

You guys have been very helpful. Props to Ron. I guess I'll need to buy that horse and get on it. :)

Yes, I could certainly take the current SE & ME combination written test, but the reg seems to be already requiring the new, yet-to-be-developed ME test.

That's the problem. I'm not sure whether I really can or not if I cannot take the written test until August.

Looks like the FAA already made a flowchart, but I believe it would not apply for those already holding ATP certificates. See http://www.faa.gov/pilots/training/atp/media/ATP_AME_Job_Aid_GA.pdf Again, I'm not sure that it is currently possible for ATP-Helicopter pilots to take an ATP-AMEL...

Right, but--per my question 3--I'm not sure that's even possible under the current reg. That is, I'm not sure I could do it even if had the hours, since I cannot sit for a written test that hasn't been developed yet. Any FAR wonks who could lend some advice??

A flowchart would be cool, but I guess I'm wondering whether I need to go buy an Apache or a Seminole this weekend. Not kidding.

Okay, I am really confused now. Please help. I currently hold an ATP-Helicopter certificate with ASEL and ASES commercial privileges. I'd like to add ATP-AMEL. I have about 10 hours of multiengine dual received back in 1996, but it's not PIC time since I did not (and still do not) have a...