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Sad thing is even with $640K per year and 1.3m liquid its still questionable that he can afford a New single engine piston aircraft.

I heard a SW pilot asking about it while we were flying over New Mexico on Saturday. He asked the controller what it was and a Navy chase plane responded on freq.

I under stand the overhaul coat and hot section cost. Are there other normal day to day cost that I'm missing?

Not really because a twin turbin is out of my league currently and the single turbin is more capable for MY needs than a piston twin.

Take the front barrage area out and it would fit:yes: By capable I was meaning. Icing, high altitude, etc

Very good info. I think you read my mind. What I am after is a more capable airplane than the Saratoga, but my concern was overkill for the short trips.

Very good point that I never considered. Thanks

The shorter trips are my concern. By the time you get to an efficent cruising altitude its time to start back down. I guess I'm looking for real world experience from any turbin owners that do shorter trips.

Whats your thoughts on a single engine turbo prop (Meridian or TBM) when 80% of the flights will only be 200-300 miles? The other 20% of the flights will be 1000+ miles. I curently have a Saratoga, but may need to upgrade for business. I have absolutly no interest in a twin, piston or...

I have a PA 32r-301 "Saratoga". We are a family of 4. Kids are 13 and 10. I have zero complaints. It's easy to load and will haul almost anything we can fit in the door. I have also done weekend trips with 6 adults without any problem as long as everyone keeps baggage light. Most of my trips...

"If I scream you can scream"

I pay $2200 a year on a PA 32R with a hull of $140K. I was paying $900 a year for a PA 28 235 with a hull of $40k. In my case the rates seem to be determined more on the hull value and not the fact that it has 6 seats or a retract.

I knew Lyle. We have a camp across the road from his camp at 72TA. I was in the air going from KRKP to Houston when this happened. Edit; Lyles was a turbo charged piston.

I agree with everything above except for the cost. I am paying $2500 per year insurance on 150k hull. Annuals are running 1500-2000. The difference for insurance between fixed and retract was 400 per year. With 0 hrs retract time and 400 hrs total time and IFR. My plane is also an 82...

I have found the opposite to be true for my Saratoga. With 6 people on board you need some weight in the nose compartment to stay in CG. The older straight wing may be different with Cherokee 6's and Lance's.

I have a PA 32R Saratoga and I have a friend who has a 206U. The 206 seems more bulky and truck like than the 32. Both can haul a load and have a ton of interior room, but personally I think the 32 is a little more comfortable. Probably just owner bias. The 32 also has a baggage compartment in...

I had a 64' 235 with a fixed pitch prop that had the same trim problem. Anytime you were in dense air (low altitude and cold) you would run out of down trim unless you pulled the power back to 2200-2300. I don't recall the power settings at those RPM's. My A&P spent a lot of time trying to rig...

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Is that at Trevors?

I have flown in this plane and yes there were chutes. I flew with a different pilot. We did aleron roles and a few other 1g manovors all at 4500 msl. They do have on board cameras, hopefully they will find these.