Mtns2Skies
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just out of curiosity, How do you recover if you somehow stall while inverted?
just out of curiosity, How do you recover if you somehow stall while inverted?
Sustained. Does that mean pulling back would reduce the AOA?
Point the nose down.
How do you recover from an inverted spin?
Sustained. Does that mean pulling back would reduce the AOA?
The Beggs Mueller method does not work for the Super Decathlon that I fly.
Gene Beggs does mention in his book that the Super D does not recover a left rudder inverted spin using Beggs Meuller. In the Super D, have you tried the power off, neutral stick (aileron and elevator), and neutral rudder emergency recovery technique that works for the Pitts in all spin modes? Does not require figuring out which direction you're spinning and which rudder to push.
But, be sure to be in control and SLOW if you plan to do a split S - that's a whole other ball of wax.
But, be sure to be in control and SLOW if you plan to do a split S - that's a whole other ball of wax.
A lot of folks are very tentative with the split S and try to get very slow before rolling and pulling. This doesn't make for a good looking figure, competition or otherwise. It differs a little among aircraft types, but in general, the fear of overspeeding or overstressing the plane during the split S is not warranted. You can enter the Split S with a decent amount of speed, but you need to load the airplane very quickly to a relatively high G load. If this is done, your speed at the bottom will not be excessively high. In the Pitts, if I rolled into the Split S at 120mph and immediately pulled to at least 4G, while steadily increasing the pull all the way through to 5.5 or 6G, I would exit faster, but not come close to redlining. You would need to be careful with RV or Midget Mustang types, but most aerobatic airplanes are not as clean as these, and the advanced monoplanes that ARE fairly clean have a higher G limit to compensate.
When I first started flying the Mustang I thought about trying to compete with it. After taking some lessons in an Aerobat and a Pitts s2b I realized it would be very hard to stay in the box with the Mustang. It does acro real well but at too fast an airspeed. I really liked flying the Pitts and have been looking for a decent used one.
Does not require figuring out which direction you're spinning and which rudder to push.
Can the body sense the direction of motion? Is there a push or pull feeling like a skid or slip?
Yes...you guys have convinced me. I should go out and practice the known primary, I have a copy tucked in the journey log. After all it is just for fun!
Can the body sense the direction of motion?
Gene Beggs does mention in his book that the Super D does not recover a left rudder inverted spin using Beggs Meuller. In the Super D, have you tried the power off, neutral stick (aileron and elevator), and neutral rudder emergency recovery technique that works for the Pitts in all spin modes? QUOTE]
All of the Super Ds I have flown do recover with this technique. But it is far quicker to kick rudder. Beggs works most of the time but accationally require a little pull back off the forward stop in inverted spins.
BTW....I find the best way to know which rudder to kick is the one that is hard and close. The wrong one is soft and farther away.
Adam
Okay, I'll bite. Why are inverted spins louder than upright ones?
I suspect that perception is based on the fact that many inverted spins in airshows are purposely flattened by carrying significant power vs upright (and non-flat) spins are done with the engine at idle).Okay, I'll bite. Why are inverted spins louder than upright ones?
Okay, I'll bite. Why are inverted spins louder than upright ones?
Okay, I'll bite. Why are inverted spins louder than upright ones?
The inverted ones have all the air banging at the same side of the plane that you happen to be located on. In a Pitts, the entire cowling over the nose is hammered flat from the air flow.
Upright spins are pretty quiet compared to inverted ones. Of course, hanging in the straps upside down in a falling airplane does catch your attention, so there might be some truth to that making it seem louder.
Maybe it's just me. Dunno.
I don't really have all that much experience with inverted spins, but I do know that every time I've done one in a pitts the nose oscillating thing happens every time. It takes at least a rotation and a half before it settles down. It seems like adding a touch of power helps flatten it out some. No idea what causes it but suspect that it's the apparent wind blowing on the top of the elevator, which then rises and spills the airflow, and then drops again into the airflow and then dumps again... finally finding some happy medium... eventually.
I like upright spins a lot more. Less headaches from both the blood in your head and from trying to figure out how to fly a plane with the controls all working backwards from how you'd expect.
Also less cursing.