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Can a CFI-SP sign a tailwheel endorsement for a Private Pilot if the training is given in a tailwheel aircraft meeting the LSA definition? The answer appears to be no.
It hinges on the definition of an authorized instructor:
Quote:
Sec. 61.31
(i) Additional training required for operating tailwheel airplanes.
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received and logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airplane and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwheel airplane. The flight training must include at least the following maneuvers and procedures:
(i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings;
(ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such landings); and
(iii) Go-around procedures.
(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (i)(1) of this section is not required if the person logged pilot-in-command time in a tailwheel airplane before April 15, 1991.
Doesn't seem to be listed in the privileges of the CFI-SP:
Quote:
Sec. 61.413 [What are the privileges of my flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating? ]
[ If you hold a fight flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating, you are authorized, within the limits of your certificate and rating, to provide training and logbook endorsements for--
(a) A student pilot seeking a sport pilot certificate;
(b) A sport pilot certificate;
(c) A flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating;
(d) A powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating;
(e) Sport pilot privileges;
(f) A flight review or operating privilege for a sport pilot;
(g) A practical test for a sport pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating;
(h) A knowledge test for a sport pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating; and
(i) A proficiency check for an additional category, class, or make and model privilege for a sport pilot certificate or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating. ]
but it's not specifically limited, either:
Quote:
Sec. 61.415 [What are the limits of a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating? ]
[ If you hold a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating, you are subject to the following limits:
(a) You may not provide ground or flight training in any aircraft for which you do not hold:
(1) A sport pilot certificate with applicable category and class privileges and make and model privileges or a pilot certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and
(2) Applicable category and class privileges for your flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating.
[...]
(d) You may not endorse a:
(1) Student pilot's certificate or logbook for solo flight privileges, unless you have-
(i) Given that student the flight training required for solo flight privileges required by this part; and
(ii) Determined that the student is prepared to conduct the flight safely under known circumstances, subject to any limitations listed in the student's logbook that you consider necessary for the safety of the flight.
(2) Student pilot's certificate and logbook for a solo cross-country flight, unless you have determined the student's flight preparation, planning, equipment, and proposed procedures are adequate for the proposed flight under the existing conditions and within any limitations listed in the logbook that you consider necessary for the safety of the flight.
(3) Student pilot's certificate and logbook for solo flight in Class B, C and D airspace areas, at an airport within Class B, C, or D airspace and to from, through or on an airport having an operational control tower, unless that you have- (i) Given that student ground and flight training in that airspace or at that airport; and
(ii) Determined that the student is proficient to operate the aircraft safely.
(4) Logbook of a pilot for a flight review, unless you have conducted a review of that pilot in accordance with the requirements of §61.56.
[...]
(h) You must perform all training in an aircraft that complies with the requirements of §91.109 of this chapter.
(i) If you provide flight training for a certificate, rating or privilege, you must provide that flight training in an aircraft that meets the following:
(1) The aircraft must have at least two pilot stations and be of the same category and class appropriate to the certificate, rating or privilege sought.
(2) For single place aircraft, pre-solo flight training must be provided in an aircraft that has two pilot stations and is of the same category and class appropriate to the certificate, rating, or privilege sought. ]
This is not about Can one give an endorsement or not. I am just using this example on how to understand which one you would use for an explanation.
Under privileges; you are not allowed to give an endorsement to anything other than a SP.
Looking at 61.413 (f) says Sport Pilot
While 61.415 (d) (4) says pilot
If one were to only look at 61.415 You could give a FR to a PPL.
If one were to look at 61.413 You are limited to a SP.
Mostly I think that if you look under just PPL regs it will favor signing off anything that you as a PPL are rated at. If you look under SP regs it is limited to SP and even then within that it is not clear. Is there an overriding factor here. Even though it may seem like it is allowed in one part does the privileges 61.413 override any other part?
To clarify my position is that a pilot is either a PPL or a SP, a PPL just because he is flying a LSA is not a SP.
Greg I snipped this from your post I hope that is all right.
Dan
It hinges on the definition of an authorized instructor:
Quote:
Sec. 61.31
(i) Additional training required for operating tailwheel airplanes.
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received and logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airplane and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwheel airplane. The flight training must include at least the following maneuvers and procedures:
(i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings;
(ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such landings); and
(iii) Go-around procedures.
(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (i)(1) of this section is not required if the person logged pilot-in-command time in a tailwheel airplane before April 15, 1991.
Doesn't seem to be listed in the privileges of the CFI-SP:
Quote:
Sec. 61.413 [What are the privileges of my flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating? ]
[ If you hold a fight flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating, you are authorized, within the limits of your certificate and rating, to provide training and logbook endorsements for--
(a) A student pilot seeking a sport pilot certificate;
(b) A sport pilot certificate;
(c) A flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating;
(d) A powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating;
(e) Sport pilot privileges;
(f) A flight review or operating privilege for a sport pilot;
(g) A practical test for a sport pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating;
(h) A knowledge test for a sport pilot certificate, a private pilot certificate with a powered parachute or weight-shift-control aircraft rating or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating; and
(i) A proficiency check for an additional category, class, or make and model privilege for a sport pilot certificate or a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating. ]
but it's not specifically limited, either:
Quote:
Sec. 61.415 [What are the limits of a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating? ]
[ If you hold a flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating, you are subject to the following limits:
(a) You may not provide ground or flight training in any aircraft for which you do not hold:
(1) A sport pilot certificate with applicable category and class privileges and make and model privileges or a pilot certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and
(2) Applicable category and class privileges for your flight instructor certificate with a sport pilot rating.
[...]
(d) You may not endorse a:
(1) Student pilot's certificate or logbook for solo flight privileges, unless you have-
(i) Given that student the flight training required for solo flight privileges required by this part; and
(ii) Determined that the student is prepared to conduct the flight safely under known circumstances, subject to any limitations listed in the student's logbook that you consider necessary for the safety of the flight.
(2) Student pilot's certificate and logbook for a solo cross-country flight, unless you have determined the student's flight preparation, planning, equipment, and proposed procedures are adequate for the proposed flight under the existing conditions and within any limitations listed in the logbook that you consider necessary for the safety of the flight.
(3) Student pilot's certificate and logbook for solo flight in Class B, C and D airspace areas, at an airport within Class B, C, or D airspace and to from, through or on an airport having an operational control tower, unless that you have- (i) Given that student ground and flight training in that airspace or at that airport; and
(ii) Determined that the student is proficient to operate the aircraft safely.
(4) Logbook of a pilot for a flight review, unless you have conducted a review of that pilot in accordance with the requirements of §61.56.
[...]
(h) You must perform all training in an aircraft that complies with the requirements of §91.109 of this chapter.
(i) If you provide flight training for a certificate, rating or privilege, you must provide that flight training in an aircraft that meets the following:
(1) The aircraft must have at least two pilot stations and be of the same category and class appropriate to the certificate, rating or privilege sought.
(2) For single place aircraft, pre-solo flight training must be provided in an aircraft that has two pilot stations and is of the same category and class appropriate to the certificate, rating, or privilege sought. ]
This is not about Can one give an endorsement or not. I am just using this example on how to understand which one you would use for an explanation.
Under privileges; you are not allowed to give an endorsement to anything other than a SP.
Looking at 61.413 (f) says Sport Pilot
While 61.415 (d) (4) says pilot
If one were to only look at 61.415 You could give a FR to a PPL.
If one were to look at 61.413 You are limited to a SP.
Mostly I think that if you look under just PPL regs it will favor signing off anything that you as a PPL are rated at. If you look under SP regs it is limited to SP and even then within that it is not clear. Is there an overriding factor here. Even though it may seem like it is allowed in one part does the privileges 61.413 override any other part?
To clarify my position is that a pilot is either a PPL or a SP, a PPL just because he is flying a LSA is not a SP.
Greg I snipped this from your post I hope that is all right.
Dan
