Runway 13-33 is NA because it is not paved. Runway 10-28 is VCOA only, which means the VCOA criteria fit, but instrument departure criteria did not. So, you are responsible for your obstacle clearance and you should remain within 3 s.m. until leaving 4,200.
No. It wouldn't have to have standard. Rather, it says "Climb in Visual Conditions" with minimums of 4200-3.
Jepp doesn't say "NA ATC" for 15/33. The FAA does. But, it is because it is a turf runway. Jepp figured that out. They part company with the FAA when they see an obvious error.
They didn't do it because of terrain. That NA - ATC is just strange. Isn't Jepp supposed to publish what's in the source document even if they think it's silly? @RussR , is there something to this? https://www.faa.gov/aero_docs/acifp...01-HTH-NDBR/NV_HTH_TAKEOFF_HAWTHORNE_ORIG.pdf
I'm asking a broader question. Here's the Q&A
Palmpilot said:
That’s USAF, not FAA. It’s not a good example. It’s obvious that diverse departures are not possible at that location. And, yes, the 8260-15 has to state the takeoff minimums even if they are standard. (caveat: I don’t know what regulations or forms the military uses.)
I'm not getting an answer to my question, so let's try again with N51.
Palmpilot said:
There is an FDC NOTAM on IFR takeoff minimums for that airport.
Wally, I think you are missing the question. And maybe others are misunderstanding your answer. I definitely did. until I remembered that sometimes you don't see what pilots see. You see 8260. Unless we have Jepp subscriptions, we see FAA charts.
Yes. I see source on occasion. More significant, I am conversant in Jeppesen charts, not FAA charts.
That's what I finally figured out. Fortunately, I'm bilingual.
That's more explicit. But I think a heading would be better. I can still see a pilot going, "how can I go direct somewhere I already am?"
That's limbo.
I'd say many have.
That is an FAA printing error. "Std" is missing.
Go back to what I said in my first post of this thread.
What's a 'random entry'?
I would make MVA the active waypoint. KHTH MVA would suit me in as much as the 251 is right over the airport. But if I wanted to play with the OBS, it would be 071.
I think I would do the same except I would also dial in 251 on CDI#2 and/or keep an eye on the bearing pointer, if it exists. However, I would use OBS if a radial were sprung upon me by surprise.
You’re saying this precludes specifying direct to a fix?
I dunno what void has to do with it. But yeah, getting a heading to fly on departure is very common. Never heard that particular phraseology though. It’s usually ‘turn left/turn right or just fly. Usually the only time you hear the word ‘cleared’ is with the word ‘to’ when they give you the Clearance Limit. While we’re on the subject of getting a heading to fly, be sure and check the
I'd use the "Course to Fix" rather than OBS mode (071) in a Garmin because it will auto sequence to the route after that.
I don't pretend to understand FAA charting. If I bring up F70, for example, it doesn't have that language.
What verbiage?
"takeoff minimums other than standard."
That’s on the very first page of the Takeoff Mins section. It describes what’s in that section. Here it is in its entirety.
It's just that simple. Sometimes you just have to read the "how to use" instructions.
It's in the instructions for how to use the section, not in each and every airport listing,
Take an ibuprofenIt gives me a headache.
Them no T airports are hard to find. After awhile of looking I had an idea. Look in the Everglades. KTNT
Not sure but I think you combined two unrelated comments.
I just said I was having trouble finding an airport that doesn’t have the inverse T
