Coronavirus hysteria is hurting every one.

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Some of us live in "beef country". The Tyson plant around the corner from my daughter employs about 3,000 people and processes around 6,000 head of cattle each day. If they shut down that's a whole lot of meat that isn't going on the road every single hour.
 
They have closed the casinos in Vegas, that is the last straw!o_O
 
WannFly said:
I heard in parts of MN they will do online school after the initial 2 weeks off. ND is debating that as well.

On a panic note, Costco here today has no beef, chicken, eggs and milk along with other stuff that weren’t there to begin with like you know .... TP.

Don’t know about pandemic, but panic for sure
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I have already started homeschooling my kids. They were not fond of it; but supposedly I make them do harder math than they have to do in school.

I'm probably teaching them "all wrong", but oh well, exposure to numbers and different ways is good, I hope.
 
WannFly said:
I heard in parts of MN they will do online school after the initial 2 weeks off. ND is debating that as well.

On a panic note, Costco here today has no beef, chicken, eggs and milk along with other stuff that weren’t there to begin with like you know .... TP.

Don’t know about pandemic, but panic for sure
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All this food is going to end up in trash bins in a couple of weeks, or end up contributing obesity across the country, causing an entirely different epidemic.
 
Will be interesting to see if the global slowdown results in a measurable dip in worldwide CO2.

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Van Johnston said:
Will be interesting to see if the global slowdown results in a measurable dip in worldwide CO2.

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Nah.

I'm about to start my smoker and pretty much stoke that fire until the virus runs it's course in a couple years. Folks living at home now with no income will start burning furniture. It's going to get post-apocalypse real soon!
 
weilke said:
- Why are are grocers out of fresh chicken products yet there is no shortage of fresh pork and beef ?
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Cultural/religious restrictions on pork/beef?
- Why is all the packaged sliced white, wheat and potato bread gone and plenty of whole-grain left ?
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Because there's a TP shortage?
 
write-stuff said:
Unfortunately, CO2 is very persistent in the atmosphere. I don't think a brief dip in global production will have much effect.
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I dunno, there were reports of effects being seen from satellites over China with drops in production. I don't recall the extent of the effect though, still likely to be statistically meaningless in the course of a year.
 
I'm not a scientist of any type, so take what I say with healthy skepticism. My understanding is that CO2 stays in the atmosphere for years. Methane (CH4) is a more effective green house gas, but it doesn't stay in the atmosphere very long.
 
Schools delivering lunches to kids AT HOME seems like a red flag warning that we have become beholden to the government to educate, indoctrinate and FEED our children.

That is just wrong. I pay thousands per year in local taxes for my school district and I have no school age children. Am I paying to feed someone else's kids?

If parents can't afford to feed themselves or their children, they need to accept the charity of the community and local churches. We will assist. It is not the government's role to feed children or coddle deadbeats...

Those buses are using fuel and driven by paid drivers also. More waste...
 
IK04 said:
Schools delivering lunches to kids AT HOME seems like a red flag warning that we have become beholden to the government to educate, indoctrinate and FEED our children.

That is just wrong. I pay thousands per year in local taxes for my school district and I have no school age children. Am I paying to feed someone else's kids?

If parents can't afford to feed themselves or their children, they need to accept the charity of the community and local churches. We will assist. It is not the government's role to feed children or coddle deadbeats...

Those buses are using fuel and driven by paid drivers also. More waste...
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Honestly given the circumstances, I'm ok with it. Everything is in a state of flux now, as many parents are still working while trying to figure out how to care for their kids on short notice. In our state, it wasn't announced until 9PM Sunday that schools were closing for a month. Better to ensure kids are being fed, than letting some go hungry.

As for the workers and drivers, at least those people are getting paid versus unemployed right now.
 
I've been watching this site regularly, run by Johns Hopkins. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I don't put a lot of weight on the confirmed cases, as that number is going to skyrocket as testing becomes more prevalent. The number I'm watching is deaths. At about 7:00 AM CDT, we had just passed 8,000. Now at 12:30 PM CDT, we have passed 8,700. I don't know how or where those numbers get reported, but its growing exponentially at this point. If you do compare to confirmed cases (which is a suspect number to me, I expect it is a lot higher), that amounts to a 4% mortality rate.

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Omg a scarey graph with scarey red circles of death.

this is truly starting to get scarey. And I don’t mean the virus.
 
Palmpilot said:
I can't figure out what the thinking is on hoarding perishable foods. Beef and chicken can be frozen, but eggs and milk, not so much.
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I think a big problem is media, there was an article somewhere on what to buy and freeze and milk was a part of that list yesterday. No wonder people are becoming hysterical
 
Salty said:
Omg a scarey graph with scarey red circles of death.

this is truly starting to get scarey. And I don’t mean the virus.
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As I said in my post, look past the graphs and red circles. Over 700 deaths reported worldwide in just the last 5 hours, and continuing to increase exponentially. Don't believe me, just watch the data.
 
midwestpa24 said:
I've been watching this site regularly, run by Johns Hopkins. https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I don't put a lot of weight on the confirmed cases, as that number is going to skyrocket as testing becomes more prevalent. The number I'm watching is deaths. At about 7:00 AM CDT, we had just passed 8,000. Now at 12:30 PM CDT, we have passed 8,700. I don't know how or where those numbers get reported, but its growing exponentially at this point. If you do compare to confirmed cases (which is a suspect number to me, I expect it is a lot higher), that amounts to a 4% mortality rate.
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I've been tracking that dashboard obsessively. It's unprecedented. The 4% is probably high, due to the whole unknown denominator thing, but this is not going away anytime soon

We think of malaria as some far away disease no one gets, but last year around 200,000,000 malaria cases resulted in 400,000 deaths.. if 200,000,000 eventually get this Corona and we assume closer to a 1% mortality rate (not the 4%) that works out to 2 million dead
 
midwestpa24 said:
Honestly given the circumstances, I'm ok with it. Everything is in a state of flux now, as many parents are still working while trying to figure out how to care for their kids on short notice. In our state, it wasn't announced until 9PM Sunday that schools were closing for a month. Better to ensure kids are being fed, than letting some go hungry.

As for the workers and drivers, at least those people are getting paid versus unemployed right now.
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Yessir, the kids being home while parents are still at work is the major reason why the community is responding with making lunches and delivering them. The money has already been spent, so it must be applied to the program.

As long as the kiddos are kept fed, they will survive long enough to get back to life as usual, at the taxpayers expense...

When I was a kid, we brought fifty cents, or whatever it was, to school with us for lunch. I was always happier when my Mom packed a lunch for me...

That daily shot of chocolate milk sure was nice, though! :cool:
 
Half assed “quarantining” ourselves like we are isn’t going to do anything. It’s probably not even going to slow it down. It’ll keep it in the news longer though.
 
I wonder if this is just going to have to become something we expect as part of life.. that you will probably get and in some cases might kill you.. we already accept that smoking causes cancer, drunk driving kills, etc., and willingly put ourselves in danger in various other aspects of life (pollution, obesity, etc.) and have accepted those as part of life. Perhaps eventually Corona will be the same "have you had it yet?" - type of thing.

If you had a 1% change of the next cigarette you light exploding in your face would you still light it?
 
IK04 said:
Schools delivering lunches to kids AT HOME seems like a red flag warning that we have become beholden to the government to educate, indoctrinate and FEED our children.

That is just wrong. I pay thousands per year in local taxes for my school district and I have no school age children. Am I paying to feed someone else's kids?

If parents can't afford to feed themselves or their children, they need to accept the charity of the community and local churches. We will assist. It is not the government's role to feed children or coddle deadbeats...

Those buses are using fuel and driven by paid drivers also. More waste...
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Pretty sure those are kids on the federal school lunch program, so they'd be getting the lunch if they were in school. And I think school district gets reimbursed by the US gov't for it. May be your local taxes paying the school bus driver and for gas though; IDK.
 
I pay more attention to the number of recovered. That curve is increasing.

This will be over before the media can tell us we are all going to die...
 
I'm really start to worry, oil at below $22. a barrel, S&P below $19,000.

this is the once in a life time buy opportunity, it is simply as when
 
IK04 said:
I pay more attention to the number of recovered. That curve is increasing.
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The numbers for confirmed and recovered I don't put a lot of emphasis on. There is going to be a lot of misreporting there as some never seek treatment, never get tested, or never follow up afterwards. Of that recovered category, there is also the question about long term after effects, as it is being shown that some suffer significant permanent lung damage.

The only firm number to me is the deaths. There is a little less grey to dead, only misreporting there is if they are either not tested and attributed to the disease, or misreported. That number and its movement, to me at least, carries much more significance. That is going to be the number to watch for some kind of level off in the future, but right now its growing fast.
 
Tantalum said:
I wonder if this is just going to have to become something we expect as part of life.. that you will probably get and in some cases might kill you.. we already accept that smoking causes cancer, drunk driving kills, etc., and willingly put ourselves in danger in various other aspects of life (pollution, obesity, etc.) and have accepted those as part of life. Perhaps eventually Corona will be the same "have you had it yet?" - type of thing.

If you had a 1% change of the next cigarette you light exploding in your face would you still light it?
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You mean like we’ve done with every other flu for the last hundred years? Too late. This society has gone insane.

First it was irrational pressure to get the flu shot. Now it’s complete isolation to the point we are destroying our own economy. We deserve to go extinct.
 
midwestpa24 said:
The numbers for confirmed and recovered I don't put a lot of emphasis on. There is going to be a lot of misreporting there as some never seek treatment, never get tested, or never follow up afterwards. Of that recovered category, there is also the question about long term after effects, as it is being shown that some suffer significant permanent lung damage.

The only firm number to me is the deaths. There is a little less grey to dead, only misreporting there is if they are either not tested and attributed to the disease, or misreported. That number and its movement, to me at least, carries much more significance. That is going to be the number to watch for some kind of level off in the future, but right now its growing fast.
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Well, I think there's a bit more grey area to the deaths number. When a large portion of the deaths is due to having lots of prior complications, it's hard to know what the cause of death should be attributed to. When someone dies of AIDS, they die from an infection, but we don't normally reference the cause of the death to be anything other than AIDS. So, when someone has Stage 4 cancer and was on hospice, but contracted COVID-19 (using a made-up scenario here), do you lump them in with COVID-19 deaths? I dunno. Kind of a grey area for me, and can skew the data quite a bit, statistically-speaking.
 
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Salty said:
You mean like we’ve done with every other flu for the last hundred years? Too late. This society has gone insane.

First it was irrational pressure to get the flu shot. Now it’s complete isolation to the point we are destroying our own economy. We deserve to go extinct.
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The flu shot obsession always drove me nuts..

I wish we knew the real mortality rate figure, if it proves to be somewhere in the realm of the flu then I completely agree..

At any rate what's happening now is madness.. Media, pandemic, all that aside I am disappointed in how people behave. Heath Ledger's Joker was right
 
At the start of this, nobody was infected and we didn't even know to be protecting ourselves, much less that we should even be trying to protect ourselves, above normal precautions. We still don't know exactly how easily we can be infected or how long we are contagious after we are infected. And nobody has any immunity. We are a very "target rich environment" for this virus.

But as time goes on and we learn to protect ourselves and as more people become infected (reducing the number of targets), the number of new infections is bound to begin decreasing.

I am already hearing of very promising experiments regarding treatments, if not cures. And on a somewhat longer horizon, we will eventually come up with a vaccine.

My bet is that it will be a "Boomer" that comes up with that vaccine. ;)

In other words, I do see light at the end of the tunnel. Of course, it may be a very long tunnel.
 
The statistics from Korea are a real eye opener.

The primary demographic of the reported deaths is men over forty years old who smoke.

The least affected demographic is women and particularly women under 40. That group only has 5% smokers.

Believe me, diseases roll through The Republic of Korea like bad movies and they are more equipped to test and document them than most civilized countries.

SARS-COVID-2 is a respiratory infection and those with already damaged lungs are most at risk.

I concur with everyone who is skeptical or any statistics right now. They are being manipulated to serve several agendas.
 
Luigi said:
They have closed the casinos in Vegas, that is the last straw!o_O
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No, the last straw was closing the bars in Wisconsin.

JOhnH said:
My bet is that it will be a "Boomer" that comes up with that vaccine. ;)
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My bet is that it will be a Gen Xer or millenial that comes up with that vaccine, and a Boomer takes credit for it. :p
 
well... NH is doing something good

New Hampshire governor issues emergency orders, including temporary authorization for take-out beer
 
And so it already begins the other way...

Only day two of our "shelter in place" and grocery store shelves are already starting to get back to normal. Just stood behind a lady in checkout trying to return 12 dozen eggs!...clerk said "nope, we can not return any perishable items that are not defective as we can not resell them once they leave and this is an excessive amount while others were trying to find the same items, sorry"...hubby looked like he was going to murder his wife...

Get ready for a glut of B-Stock toilet paper!
 
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Fiveslide said:
Because white bread is delicious and whole grain bread is healthier and not delicious. Do not pretend it is that it's delicious, cause it's not. It's got stuff in it and crunches and it's dry and usually brownish in color. People don't eat whole grain bread because they enjoy it. They force it down because the white stuff will kill you, slowly.

I don't know what's with the chicken shortage, but I'd bet dollars to donuts a bunch of it is going to be fried up. Cause KFC is going to be shut down.
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I like the taste of whole-grain bread MUCH better. If it has crunchy stuff in it, even better! And I hate spongy bread; I like it to be chewy. :p
 
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