Public Smoking

[Mtns2Skies]

I don’t care what you think of me or my choices. Fing self righteous narcissistic pricks.

I dont give a **** about your choices. Don't make them my choices. I think you're probably the selfish narcissistic one here considering you probably negatively impact hundreds of people in your life just by smoking (not to mention yourself, but THAT is your choice) but because you only care about how YOU feel you get upset when others challenge you and say it affects us too.

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it .

 

[RJM62]

You all need one of the plastic balls to roll around in and protect yourself.

And just so we are all on the same page. It’s the GD out doors . You don’t want to smell my cigarette because of your paranoid delusions of health risk then you can walk the other way and go F off. You don’t like it. Tough S. I don’t care what you think of me or my choices. Fing self righteous narcissistic pricks.

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

Rich

 

[Mtns2Skies]

It’s the GD out doors .

Exactly. Let me enjoy the GD outdoors without your selfish habit ruining it.

And before someone goes off and whines and says airplane noise is loud and affects us too, that's a byproduct of transportation. It's not being loud because you like loud things. Cigarette smoke isn't a byproduct of anything except selfish un-informed decisions.

 

[Tarheelpilot]

It’s not controllable. You need one of the plastic balls to roll around in and protect yourself.

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

Rich

you know what Rich. I’m ****ed enough about the whole thing that my response was restrained. I don’t even want to apologize. Not even a little

 

[Tarheelpilot]

I dont give a **** about your choices. Don't make them my choices. I think you're probably the selfish narcissistic one here considering you probably negatively impact hundreds of people in your life just by smoking (not to mention yourself, but THAT is your choice) but because you only care about how YOU feel you get upset when others challenge you and say it affects us too.

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it .

It doesn’t affect you. I don’t care what you or anyone else thinks.

 

[Mtns2Skies]

It doesn’t affect you.

It absolutely does. This thread wouldn't exist otherwise.

Then there's the wholly separate topic of people that throw their cigarette butts out the window (again proving the selfishness of many smokers) that (A) litters. And more importantly (B), in dry states causes fires. Millions of dollars in property damage and lives lost can be traced back to some ******* throwing his/her cigarette out the window only caring about themself.

 

[Mtns2Skies]

Oh should we get into increased healthcare costs on the economy? Or maybe the Billions lost in worker productivity as a result of smoking? Those affect ALL of us.
https://www.businessinsider.com/smokers-cost-companies-5800-a-year-2014-2
https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessa...cost-employers-thousands-more-than-nonsmokers

 

[Tantalum]

Freedom means accepting that other people have it, too

An excellent point

I've always been torn on this topic.. on the one hand I don't care what anyone does with their lives or the choices they make however that care is predicated on how much it impacts me. I often wonder why people want to ban or make things illegal that ultimately doesn't bother them.. it's a whole Schrodinger's cat thing.

Smoking is tough however, because that is an extremely strong smell. I grew up in a household that smoked and don't personally mind it *too* much however I do find it irritating if I'm outside on my balcony in my condo but I can smell cigarettes and my whole apartment smells because somebody in the street decided to light up or a neighbor decided to have a smoke.. "here, let me light this pile of carcinogenic garbage in front of your door and force you to smell it for a little bit" - or like walking around with a boombox on full blast forcing everyone else to listen to your music

In San Diego smoking is virtually history, it always surprises me when I travel to someplace like Montreal, or Europe, and find how freely and how liberally everybody smokes. And yes when I was in Oshkosh last year I was surprised by how many people smoked

Vaping is annoying too, it often doesn't smell, or smells less, but is just as harmful and tends to be smoked by tools and people who are trying really hard.. it's the new version of that annoying trend we saw in the early 2000s with people sticking Bluetooth earpieces in their ear and walking around with them and glowing and blinking like you're some kind of Android

 

[Tantalum]

Oh should we get into increased healthcare costs on the economy? Or maybe the Billions lost in worker productivity as a result of smoking? Those affect ALL of us.
https://www.businessinsider.com/smokers-cost-companies-5800-a-year-2014-2
https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessa...cost-employers-thousands-more-than-nonsmokers

that's another good point, there was a woman at my office when I just started, she ultimately passed away by the way, but she would go out probably every half an hour for 15 minute cigarette break.. in that case I should also be allowed to leave my desk every half an hour and walk around the building listening to music, or to stop working and surf on YouTube

 

[Tarheelpilot]

It absolutely does. This thread wouldn't exist otherwise.

Then there's the wholly separate topic of people that throw their cigarette butts out the window (again proving the selfishness of many smokers) that (A) litters. And more importantly (B), in dry states causes fires. Millions of dollars in property damage and lives lost can be traced back to some ******* throwing his/her cigarette out the window only caring about themself.

Ok fine. It affects some overly sensitive, unreasonable people. Sure.
It doesn’t affect anyone in a meaningful way that should put in place laws that only allowed me to smoke on my private property.

pedantic ********.
Oh and let’s make it about the selfish smokers that start fires. Completely unrelated to the topic.

 

[Tantalum]

Someone needs a Snickers

 

[Morgan3820]

...should be illegal.

I can't believe that people still smoke these days. Comprehensive smoking bans have been introduced to prohibit smoking in all public places like restaurants, bars, clubs, workplaces etc., even though some of these may not apply in all situations (ie, casinos).

Why are designated smoking areas out in public not a thing like they are in places like an airport? My health is important to me. I try to eat properly, exercise, get enough sleep - the whole nine, so why does someone else have the right to pollute my lungs and give me cancer? It's hard to even go out for a run without turning the block and running into a gaggle of smokers and being forced to breathe that crap in. Smoke wherever you want, but not around me!

Rant over.

An occasional wiff doesn't bother me. I don't see it as all that big of a deal. But then I am overweight, sedentary and... something else not good. Got to die of something.

 

[RyanB]

It doesn’t affect you. I don’t care what you or anyone else thinks.

What is your problem?

It seems as though you’re incapable of having a mature conversation without crucifying others for their opposing opinions. I’ve seen it quite a bit in the last 72 hours.

I’m not going to even try to reason with you, because it’s pretty obvious you’re hellbent to justify your habit - which doesn’t surprise me, but if anyone is acting selfishly it’s you, by the last few statements that you’ve made. If you can voice your opinion without using vulgar word choices and speak in a respectful manner, than I may have a look and consider your perspective on what you’re trying to say, but you’ve proven nothing other than being an anonymous blowhard.

 

[Art Rose]

Since college, I quit cigarettes cold turkey once for a year, then started again for a few more years, and then quit cold turkey again for good. But, after a couple years , I started back smoking cigars. For me, smoking has been, and is, an extremely difficult, and nasty, habit to break.

About nine years ago, I finally found a solution that honestly works for me. That's when I discovered vaping. These days, there's a ton of misinformation being spread about vaping. We can only hope that eventually the rattling idiots and the haters will get themselves educated on the subject.

I use a base liquid made from vegetable glycerin, with a little menthol for flavoring. NO Nicotine. Contrary to popular idiocy, not all vaping involves the use of nicotine. And, by the way, I never heard of the Juul vape pen that the media keeps referring to, that is, until the media made it so popular. Honestly, I see the Juul as a waste, and I think it's a piece of crap.

Yes, these days, for me, cigarette and cigar smoke is foul and nasty. Even chokes me sometimes, but I don't condemn the smokers, nor do I push for some additional stupid regulation. Those who think smoking and vaping are the same, and that smoking and vaping need to be treated as such, are highly misinformed. Lots of folks too, spewing, like it was fact, that vaping is just as harmful as smoking. There's so many combinations that can be vaped, that you can't simply throw a blanket on it and call it all evil. There's a difference between ignorance, and stupidity.

By the way, since I started vaping, I have the ability to put it down anytime I need to. It's a controllable mental addiction now, not a chemical addiction. I never want to ever smoke another cigarette, because I know if I did, it'd start all over again for me. Please leave my vaping alone.

By the way, I can be vaping right beside you, and with the juice that I use, you wouldn't realize I was vaping, unless you saw my vapor. Practically no odor. Oh, and, unlike the way it was when I smoked, my nose works quite well, thank you.

 

[Mooney Fan]

I don't smoke. But for those who do, have at it for all I care. This concern about 2nd hand exposure and your health risk in public places, I argue the drive to this public place was far more of a risk to your health than the random smoker

 

[Ravioli]

Question to @Ryanb and @Mtns2Skies

Why the **** do you care if people choose to smoke? It's their life, last we checked.

And for the record, I don't smoke, I don't bang chicks that smoke, I'm not in the smoking lobby in any way shape or form

 

[RyanB]

Why the **** do you care if people choose to smoke? It's their life, last we checked.

I could careless if people choose to smoke, it’s the fact that their vice impacts my health.

Smoke all you want, but not around me, than we won’t have a problem. Obviously my peon opinion doesn’t mean a thing nor will it change matters, but I just felt like venting anyway.

 

[RJM62]

Since college, I quit cigarettes cold turkey once for a year, then started again for a few more years, and then quit cold turkey again for good. But, after a couple years , I started back smoking cigars. For me, smoking has been, and is, an extremely difficult, and nasty, habit to break.

About nine years ago, I finally found a solution that honestly works for me. That's when I discovered vaping. These days, there's a ton of misinformation being spread about vaping. We can only hope that eventually the rattling idiots and the haters will get themselves educated on the subject.

I use a base liquid made from vegetable glycerin, with a little menthol for flavoring. NO Nicotine. Contrary to popular idiocy, not all vaping involves the use of nicotine. And, by the way, I never heard of the Juul vape pen that the media keeps referring to, that is, until the media made it so popular. Honestly, I see the Juul as a waste, and I think it's a piece of crap.

Yes, these days, for me, cigarette and cigar smoke is foul and nasty. Even chokes me sometimes, but I don't condemn the smokers, nor do I push for some additional stupid regulation. Those who think smoking and vaping are the same, and that smoking and vaping need to be treated as such, are highly misinformed. Lots of folks too, spewing, like it was fact, that vaping is just as harmful as smoking. There's so many combinations that can be vaped, that you can't simply throw a blanket on it and call it all evil. There's a difference between ignorance, and stupidity.

By the way, since I started vaping, I have the ability to put it down anytime I need to. It's a controllable mental addiction now, not a chemical addiction. I never want to ever smoke another cigarette, because I know if I did, it'd start all over again for me. Please leave my vaping alone.

By the way, I can be vaping right beside you, and with the juice that I use, you wouldn't realize I was vaping, unless you saw my vapor. Practically no odor. Oh, and, unlike the way it was when I smoked, my nose works quite well, thank you.

I've found that to be true of vaping, too. There must be more than nicotine in tobacco that's addictive because over time, vaping becomes less of a habit and more something you do for enjoyment when it's convenient. Practically everyone I know who vapes says the same thing.

For the first month or so after I quit paper cigarettes (six years ago next month), I was constantly vaping. Then slowly, it became less and less important. Nowadays, I just vape at home and sometimes in the car. It's no longer an addition. It's just something I enjoy when it's convenient.

Of course, the government hates vapes because they're losing tax revenue; and especially in New York State, revenue is literally the only thing the government gives a **** about anymore. There also are people who hate them simply because they're obsessed with controlling what other people should be allowed to do (which is a worse and more-stubborn addiction than smoking, in my opinion). But I think vapes should be encouraged for those who already smoke. Vapes are expressly not a smoking-cessation system, and yet they're the best smoking-cessation system ever invented.

Rich

 

[Ravioli]

I could careless if people choose to smoke, it’s the fact that their vice impacts my health.

Want to discuss how you call it a vice, without being judgemental?

Or perhaps even find a fact to support that it impairs your health in some way, shape or form?

 

[simtech]

I find most smokers, not all, are self centered with no care of how they affect others. And that's fine but don't be butthurt when I make comments about your stank.

I see the butthurt is strong in this thread..HAHAHAHAHAHA
IBTL

 

[MuseChaser]

Strong perfume stings my nostrils, makes my eyes water, gives me headaches, ruins a nice dinner in a nice restaurant, and can even make me nauseous. Women and men who wear cologne and perfume that encroaches upon the sensory fields of other human beings should be arrested or at least fined. It causes a physical reaction in my body, therefore is affects my health, and annoys me, therefore the people wearing those perfumes and colognes are exhibiting what should be considered criminal behavior. Obviously, this is a selfish, pompous position to take... and no different than those militantly opposed to public smoking. I can't STAND perfume or cologne, and it does sting my nostrils, make my eyes water, makes me nauseous, and ruins my appetite... that part was honest. The rest was satire.

I don't smoke, so never had go to through quitting the habit, and have always hated the smell. Like I said, I think it's a stupid thing to do, and I don't understand why anybody starts. If you're outside, on public property, NO one should have the right to tell you not to smoke just because they don't like it.

 

[denverpilot]

Not really apples to apples. There's no evidence that there's even remotely a high enough concentration of lead to hurt anyone. Second hand smoke? well that's pretty real.

No valid scientific evidence of damage to anyone except in extremely confined areas has ever been proven for second hand smoke, if you’re being honest and scientific about it.

Most folks that don’t like it are as far from scientific about it as they can possibly be, however. And it shows.

They’ve managed to convince you with propaganda and I bet you’ve honestly never even looked into the evidence presented.

Populist junk science.

 

[denverpilot]

That occasional exposure over many years ultimately leads to cumulative adverse damage, not to mention that being exposed to second hand smoke has immediate negative effects on the cardiovascular system. Second hand smoke is a serious problem, so why should I be forced to participate in someone else’s vice?

Show some real scientific evidence of that. Your heart rate is going up from emotion, not anything you’re breathing in when walking by outdoors.

Trapped in a closet or car, sure. But not where you’re running into smokers. Not happening.

 

[RyanB]

Show some real scientific evidence of that. Your heart rate is going up from emotion, not anything you’re breathing in when walking by outdoors.

Trapped in a closet or car, sure. But not where you’re running into smokers. Not happening.

Are you really asking me to present you evidence that second hand smoke is lethal? If you are, I can provide plenty of it.

Second hand smoke has adverse effects when exposed both occasionally and on a chronic basis. It’s data that’s been around for decades, of which the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, the CDC and many others all recognize as being a class-one carcinogen, of which even brief exposure can be harmful to health.

 

[denverpilot]

Exactly. Let me enjoy the GD outdoors without your selfish habit ruining it.

And before someone goes off and whines and says airplane noise is loud and affects us too, that's a byproduct of transportation. It's not being loud because you like loud things. Cigarette smoke isn't a byproduct of anything except selfish un-informed decisions.

Hmm. You always need to go everywhere your “transportation” takes you and it’s not just a “want”?

Hypocrite. Seriously. Especially if you’re flying to “backcountry” strips. You have no real “need” to be there at all.

Welcome to the fight the backcountry folk trying to keep strips open are fighting. You’re in the minority and you participate in a “selfish un-informed” activity the majority doesn’t like.

Their exposure to your airplane noise is minuscule, like your exposure to a tiny whiff of smoke (you inhaled more smoke here the last time the Rockies were on fire) but damn you... you must be controlled.

They’ll lie about their actual exposure and the effects on them, too. Just like you are. They’ve developed an irrational anger also. They have airplane noise PTSD, don’t-cha-know? They’ll even believe it when they say it at a public hearing.

 

[simtech]

Or perhaps even find a fact to support that it impairs your health in some way, shape or form?

You're joking right?

 

[RyanB]

Hmm. You always need to go everywhere your “transportation” takes you and it’s not just a “want”?

Hypocrite. Seriously. Especially if you’re flying to “backcountry” strips. You have no real “need” to be there at all.

Welcome to the fight the backcountry folk trying to keep strips open are fighting. You’re in the minority and you participate in a “selfish un-informed” activity the majority doesn’t like.

Their exposure to your airplane noise is minuscule, like your exposure to a tiny whiff of smoke (you inhaled more smoke here the last time the Rockies were on fire) but damn you... you must be controlled.

They’ll lie about their actual exposure and the effects on them, too. Just like you are. They’ve developed an irrational anger also. They have airplane noise PTSD, don’t-cha-know? They’ll even believe it when they say it at a public hearing.

I love ya Nate, but seems like you’re just creating a case of trying to justify a habit.

 

[aftCG]

Not really apples to apples. There's no evidence that there's even remotely a high enough concentration of lead to hurt anyone. Second hand smoke? well that's pretty real.

I believe there is about 3cc of lead dissolved in every gallon of 100 "low lead".

I love the smell and all but I hope you're not bathing in the stuff (it likely absorbs readily into your skin) or huffing the exhaust.

I don't play a doctor on TV and have not stayed at a Holiday inn but I believe lead is cumulative.

I chem trail out about 30 gal/hr. What is that, 90cc/hr?

 

[denverpilot]

I love ya Nate, but seems like you’re just creating a case of trying to justify a habit.

Find one solid science fact that your health is adversely affected by it in a typical outdoor modern setting walking by. You’ve repeated it numerous times in the thread, but I’ve done this research and it truly doesn’t exist.

There’s a reason. It’s too little contact and way too little physical material.

It’s cool if you say you don’t like it, but it’s not appropriate to assist the propagandists. Just like many other pseudo-science things in our society today.

Any paper you find on this topic will either be from an anti-smoking group, paid to find a specific result and the paper will have junk science or junk statistics in it... or it will be from a serious scientific group and say it’s not a serious factor in unenclosed spaces.

Guess which one will be scientifically accurate.

Nobody is harming you.

If you can admit that much, the rest of it is just personal preference.

Unless of course, Tarheelpilot is pinning you down, inhaling deeply from his lit pipe, and forcing mouth to mouth on you — and if that’s the case, um... I gotta go. You two have some fetishes and other issues to work out. Hahaha.

 

[Timbeck2]

I'd rather smell a smoker than a crop duster. Just sayin'

 

[swingwing]

Wow, 70 posts and not one comment on the legalization of weed. No one finds that offensive? Someone please explain why cigarettes are bad and pot it good. I don't smoke either and can't understand the differences

 

[denverpilot]

I'd rather smell a smoker than a crop duster. Just sayin'

If we’re going there add “rancher” after that list. Hahaha. Especially if it’s been raining and he was working in the feedlot muck. LOL.

I can still smell the pig farm I worked on. It’s amazing what pig poo, hundreds of gallons of pig urine, mud, hay, and a good rainstorm all mixed together smells like.

But we did have fresh Rocky Mtn Oysters at least once a year on snipping day. LOL.

 

[denverpilot]

Wow, 70 posts and not one comment on the legalization of weed. No one finds that offensive? Someone please explain why cigarettes are bad and pot it good. I don't smoke either and can't understand the difference

The weed smokers don’t mind airplane noise? LOL.

 

[Timbeck2]

Oh I remember what it smelled like and I also remember what peeing on an electric fence felt like. Same moment btw.

 

[Old97]

I only smoke at work. My boss hates it but the pre-schoolers don't mind.

 

[denverpilot]

Are you really asking me to present you evidence that second hand smoke is lethal? If you are, I can provide plenty of it.

Second hand smoke has adverse effects when exposed both occasionally and on a chronic basis. It’s data that’s been around for decades, of which the American Heart Association, American Cancer Society, the CDC and many others all recognize as being a class-one carcinogen, of which even brief exposure can be harmful to health.

Sure. Unenclosed spaces and show a significant death rate. I’ll wait.

Your numbers will be as questionable and fake as the numbers from burning 100LL.

Which I’m sure is one of those boogie men “class one carcinogens” too.

The children are dying. Hurry!

Smoking is like a lot of things. We removed the real significant risk (indoor smoking) long long ago, and the crusaders can’t stop there.

Your chances of dying of second hand smoke fell off a cliff long long who unless you work in a bar that allows indoor smoking, the patrons of said bar were even less likely by hundreds or thousands of fold, and such.

But the marketing campaign to kill THAT, which probably needed to be killed, continues now that the only place you’ll realistically even smell the stuff is outdoors on a light breeze day.

The witch hunt usually starts with good and reasonable intentions, then goes off the rails into non-reality.

Anyone here who has done engine or automotive work that’s my age or older has likely bathed in MEK. Or drove a car without AC and windows down that burned so much engine oil that you got accosted by it at every stop light when driving downwind.

And certainly even the younger folk have sat in a traffic jam inhaling worse than anyone will ever inhale outdoors of a smoker’s naughty particles.

The Internet’s servers all caused coal plants everywhere to spew all day. All so we could entertain ourselves with dumb posts, something none of us truly needs. Think about that one for a minute.

I’m offended. The children will die for our internet transgressions and addictions.

 

[RyanB]

Sure. Unenclosed spaces and show a significant death rate. I’ll wait.

Your numbers will be as questionable and fake as the numbers from burning 100LL.

Which I’m sure is one of those boogie men “class one carcinogens” too.

The children are dying. Hurry!

Smoking is like a lot of things. We removed the real significant risk (indoor smoking) long long ago, and the crusaders can’t stop there.

Your chances of dying of second hand smoke fell off a cliff long long who unless you work in a bar that allows indoor smoking, the patrons of said bar were even less likely by hundreds or thousands of fold, and such.

But the marketing campaign to kill THAT, which probably needed to be killed, continues now that the only place you’ll realistically even smell the stuff is outdoors on a light breeze day.

The witch hunt usually starts with good and reasonable intentions, then goes off the rails into non-reality.

Anyone here who has done engine or automotive work that’s my age or older has likely bathed in MEK. Or drove a car without AC and windows down that burned so much engine oil that you got accosted by it at every stop light when driving downwind.

And certainly even the younger folk have sat in a traffic jam inhaling worse than anyone will ever inhale outdoors of a smoker’s naughty particles.

The Internet’s servers all caused coal plants everywhere to spew all day. All so we could entertain ourselves with dumb posts, something none of us truly needs. Think about that one for a minute.

I’m offended. The children will die for our internet transgressions and addictions.

I’m just not so sure that even if I present you with sound evidence, that you’ll take it as factual due to your predetermined bias of the matter.

I get it, you’re essentially trying to make a case to justify your habit. Millions and millions of people including handfuls of government agencies will disagree with you that second hand smoke (even in moderation) isn’t harmful to one’s health. Years of research proves otherwise. If it makes you feel better, forget anything that I’ve said and just keep smoking until your heart is content - just don’t do it around me!

 

[Zeldman]

Another friend chewed, and he would spray anyone that blew smoke in his face,

I chewed from age 10 to 32. Anyone that blew smoke that got to me either purposely or accidently, I would tell them, You smoke, I chew. Don't blow smoke on me and I won't spit on you.

Several people thought I was joking, then found out I wasn't. And chewing is absolutely the most disgusting of all.

And people smoking outdoors away from buildings don't bother me. I can get upwind and pass gas.... It's the folks that stand 2 feet from the door and smoke that bothers me.

 

[RyanB]

And certainly even the younger folk have sat in a traffic jam inhaling worse than anyone will ever inhale outdoors of a smoker’s naughty particles.

That’s certainly debatable. Glad they have a recirculate function on automobiles so I don’t have to inhale those fumes!

 

[Duster]

I’ll take a Marlboro in the face over old lady perfume anyday, that sh*t should be banned!!!


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