Icom portable headset adapter question

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Has anyone purchased the headset adapter for Icom portables (or have one that came with the portable), and know if it will be necessary to purchase a separate PTT switch, or if the button on the side of the portable will work to key the radio? I read somewhere that it's necessary to purchase a separate in-line switch because the adapter disables the PTT on the side of the radio, but wanted to hear it from a reliable source on PoA. Thanks in advance for the response.
 
The button on the radio activates the built-in mike. You need the external PPT switch.

Some models may vary, of course.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Thanks Ron.
I'm looking at the IC-A24, and will just go ahead and purchase the external switch along with the radio (it already comes with the adapter).
 
@kc4wsd

I have the A24 (with the NAV), but the A14 is identical (no NAV) and cheaper. The NAV is an interesting feature, but it's not really usable in-flight. It takes too long to figure out how it works unless you really spend a lot of time on the ground practicing. But that ICOM is a great tool. It just works, and can really take a beating. I used mine hard with the glider club, on the ground, in the glider, and in the towplane whenever I was on the ground with the engine shut off waiting for the next ride.

One of the best accessories I got was the speaker mic. I used it pretty heavily in the glider. Drop the radio in the side pocket and clip the speaker mic on the shoulder harness, it worked great.

As far as the external PTT and headset adapter:

I have both, and I've really tried to use them both just to make sure they will work if needed.

What I get, and it's apparently common, is feedback through the headset mic. ICOM had a tech bulletin on it and some other info in their FAQ. I've linked to that page, there's a PDF that I've followed, but haven't had a lot of success.

http://icom.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/878/kw/feedback/related/1

When I press the external PTT, I get a feedback squeal that comes through the headset mic circuit. I have a DC-13 headset. It doesn't always happen, but eventually it will.

I've tried all sorts of combinations, but the only way I've found to avoid it is to skip the PTT and use the mic button on the radio. It's been a while since I've messed with it, but I think the only way I've been able to avoid that feedback squeal is to use the radio mic while listening through my headset. Moving the PTT cable around does seem to help, but I haven't been able to come up with the right combination to eliminate it completely.
 
@Matthew

Thanks for the detailed reply. I'm not actually a licensed pilot . . . yet. I'm in the final classes for an Avionics degree, and not sure what direction my life is going career-wise. I may become a line tech at an FBO for a little while, then transition into an avionics position, or possibly work at the school I'm attending as a "lab tech," which is kind of a mash of teacher's aide and avionics tech, keeping the electronics up and running in the school's aircraft (used for teaching).
In addition, I've flown GA aircraft considerably with my son who has now stepped up to a regional airline, driving CRJ-700's. I'm a comm guy at heart, and will carry the portable with me as a back-up when flying . . . especially if (when) I get *my* ticket.
Finally, as I was telling someone recently, I know that I really don't *need* the Nav feature, but I like bells and whistles. LOL!
Besides, the cost of an A14 *and* the not-included headset adapter isn't much more than the A24 which comes *with* the adapter. All I need is the external PTT, and I might go ahead and order the lapel speaker/mic while I'm ordering.
 
For a couple extra bucks you can get the a25 that is the newer version.
 
If you have basic wiring skills, you don't need to buy the PTT adapter, I made my own for three different aircraft, with the button inside the control stick grip instead of velcroed to the outside.

The squeal is a problem. You must use an external antenna, mounted as far as possible from the radio, and you need to loop the mike and PTT wires through a ferrite bead (you can use the one that comes on the charger or buy them separately). Even then it's hit or miss, often just jiggling the wires will fix it.
 
You may need the adapter (not sure about the ICOM specifically) to get the mic bias on your particular headset. Aviation headsets (as Jim Wier would be quick to point out if he was here) are stuck in the historical model of emulating on old carbon telephone microphone. The condenser mics in the newer headsets still expect to find a voltage across the mic terminals in order to power their preamp. I found that I could cheat that with my old Sigtroncis SPO intercom which would provide the mic bias (since the mics are always hot for the intercom feature) and still drive the radio input.
 
Basic wiring skills . . . Check.

In the past two years, I've looked at the back side more than the front of the radios, audio panels and transponders. If I couldn't wire a simple PTT switch by now, my instructors would escort me out. LOL!

My plan, at the moment, is to use it on the ramp as strictly a portable radio . . . with the option of taking it up in whatever I happen to be flying and using it as a back up to the primary comms.
 
My plan, at the moment, is to use it on the ramp as strictly a portable radio . . . with the option of taking it up in whatever I happen to be flying and using it as a back up to the primary comms.

From your earlier posts - not a pilot, yet, but looking for something you can use later. Early use will probably be on the ramp.

Here's the deal with that - that radio, and other brands of handhelds, are all pretty bulletproof and will last you a long time, even with hard use. Don't worry about any of them getting out of date for aircraft use later. Most of them are water resistant, some more than others. Don't dunk it, but if you get caught outside in the rain they'll take it to some extent.

Since you don't plan to use it in-air, don't bother with an external PTT. If you want to do something with it in the future, worry about it later. An external PTT inside an aircraft really isn't necessary unless you don't have an electrical system. In my case, I got the PTT to use it in a glider, but it never ended up making sense for me. Some guys had a small mic over their ear and they'd strap the PTT to the stick or their finger so they could push it with their thumb. Because of the electrical feedback from the short antenna, if you end up with an airplane that has no electrical system, you are better off plugging the radio into an external antenna and then strapping the PTT to the stick or yoke. I've never really worried too much about the external PTT. Worst case in-air, pull out the handheld, plug your headset into the adapter, and key the radio mic.

For ramp use, the ICOM is pretty loud, but not the loudest out there. It's loud enough for ramp work, but you might find you max out the volume. You might think it's loud, but when it's clipped on your belt and you are on a busy, noisy ramp it might not be as loud as you think. If you really want a ramp-friendly system, the speaker mic can work well...as long as you have a place to clip it. In the glider, I'd clip it onto the shoulder harness. I'm pretty sure all the handhelds work in a similar way - you can preset certain freqs and scroll quickly through them, that's nice if you want to program in a Unicom, CTAF, ground, tower, wx, whatever, for the airport you are working.

NAV - you won't ever need it on the ramp. In the air it's not really worth the trouble. More and more VORs are being decommissioned, and it's pretty simple to get a handheld GPS or a tablet with GPS and get way more info plus a moving map. It isn't easy to configure without the manual, and that's not something you want to be messing around with in the air.

Batteries - some people swear by the AA pack vs the rechargeable. If you are on the ramp, you can recharge overnight or whenever. When you start flying, you'll end up stuffing the radio in your flight bag for long periods, then pulling it out to find the battery is low and you don't have enough time to plug in the charger.

Any more questions about it, ask here or PM. I used to be a "power user" but now I only use it for getting the weather during pre-flight.
 
My Icom is built into the airplane. It's powered by the aircraft 12v power. My headset adapter is homemade, using a 1/8 inch 4-conductor plug.

I've built several headsets. I use the stock microphone elements sold by ACS for $30-$70. Icom seems to power them appropriately.

Speaker output of the Icoms is 8 ohms. They'll power a typical 150 ohm aviation headset, but you'll lose about 6 dB in volume. Probably doesn't matter with a relatively modern closed-cabin airplane.

I installed 8 ohm speakers in a Rugged Radios aviation headset. In warm weather, I use ear buds that are built into foam ear plugs (Plugfones).

I've got web sites that describe this process. Should come up on a Google search.

Ron Wanttaja
 
My Icom is built into the airplane. It's powered by the aircraft 12v power. My headset adapter is homemade, using a 1/8 inch 4-conductor plug.

I've built several headsets. I use the stock microphone elements sold by ACS for $30-$70. Icom seems to power them appropriately.

Speaker output of the Icoms is 8 ohms. They'll power a typical 150 ohm aviation headset, but you'll lose about 6 dB in volume. Probably doesn't matter with a relatively modern closed-cabin airplane.

I installed 8 ohm speakers in a Rugged Radios aviation headset. In warm weather, I use ear buds that are built into foam ear plugs (Plugfones).

I've got web sites that describe this process. Should come up on a Google search.

Ron Wanttaja

On the A24 I have, the external power jack is labelled 11V, though the wall wart charger is 12V. I asked Icom about this. Their reply was that the wall wart was unregulated, that it was safe for charging, but shouldn't be used for transmitting, that transmitting with external power more than 12V would fry the output transistors. They sell a rather expensive 12V cigarette lighter power adapter. That cigarette lighter adapter provides a regulated 11V with an input voltage of 12-15V. I don't know if that applies to other Icom models, as I recall, Ron, you have a different model?

I found the A24 works well with stereo earbuds (like the Plugfones) wired in parallel as well as the DC headsets that came with my new plane. For mikes, I've used both the standard aviation mike elements and cheap electret mikes salvaged from old computer headsets with good results.
 
On the A24 I have, the external power jack is labelled 11V, though the wall wart charger is 12V. I asked Icom about this. Their reply was that the wall wart was unregulated, that it was safe for charging, but shouldn't be used for transmitting, that transmitting with external power more than 12V would fry the output transistors. They sell a rather expensive 12V cigarette lighter power adapter. That cigarette lighter adapter provides a regulated 11V with an input voltage of 12-15V. I don't know if that applies to other Icom models, as I recall, Ron, you have a different model?
My panel-mount one is an older model, ICA5. I bought a "Battery Eliminator from an aftermarket company; basically replaces the standard battery back and plugs into the cigarette lighter like the Icom one you saw. Mine cost $25, but that was ~15 years ago.

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/velcro.html

I found the A24 works well with stereo earbuds (like the Plugfones) wired in parallel as well as the DC headsets that came with my new plane. For mikes, I've used both the standard aviation mike elements and cheap electret mikes salvaged from old computer headsets with good results.
I actually used a sound meter, and did measure that 6 dB drop in sound levels when using a standard headset with my Icom. Far more detail than you'd ever want:

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/amplitude.html

Ron Wanttaja
 
Not an Icom, but this thread got me thinking about my own handheld that I haven't tested in the air yet. On mine (Yaesu FTA-550), there's a setup menu selection for which microphone to use when you press the PTT switch. You can set it to use the internal mic or the headset. Pretty handy. The VOX works great, too. I did use it in the air over the weekend to follow a VOR radial, that worked well also - though the "rubber dummy load" antenna is pretty pathetic, as one would expect.
 
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