Net Neutrality

ARFlyer said:
The major issue that I've been apart of is Rural Internet Access. Under the Net Neutrality law an ISP couldn't cut service to an area by shuttering an older service technology. E.g. DSL It was required that they had to fund, replace, a price protect the service for a set time. Now the ISP can leave these areas without any type of internet service.
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This wasn’t how Regulated Services in telecom actually worked before the law, after the new law, or now. Like, ever.

And it’s exceedingly easy to provide anything poorly. Our Regulated carrier meets all the requirements of the original law, the Obama law, and the current law. 1.5 Mb/s. Unusable and worthless.

Net Neutrality had and has absolutely nothing to do with it.

I believe your homework on the actual law involved in what you’re talking about is hiding in Title V somewhere, but I’d have to dig on that one to make sure.
 
Y'all just wait... there's a lead trial balloon (or as someone put it "a trial Pinto") floating around Washington that the Feds want to install and operate a 5G network for the public.
 
wsuffa said:
Y'all just wait... there's a lead trial balloon (or as someone put it "a trial Pinto") floating around Washington that the Feds want to install and operate a 5G network for the public.
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They’ve been trying to do that for Federal Public Safety for over a decade. It never gets funded.

Too many donations from the telecoms to key Congresscritters keeping themselves in the loop for their cut.

It got all the way to the bid process and was rejected as even the cheapest bid was too expensive.

It’s dumb anyway. The gear is all going to go on the same tower sites and make Crown Castle and American Tower rich if they do add another network.

It will ride over the same fiber backhauls from the local telecom back to the zone controllers anyway. Telecoms will get paid handsomely no matter what.

Doesn’t matter if they call it a “public” network and create another permanent bureaucracy with unelected people running it that can’t be controlled, or leave it in the hands of the for profit telecoms which also truly can’t be controlled.
 
denverpilot said:
They’ve been trying to do that for Federal Public Safety for over a decade. It never gets funded.

Too many donations from the telecoms to key Congresscritters keeping themselves in the loop for their cut.

It got all the way to the bid process and was rejected as even the cheapest bid was too expensive.

It’s dumb anyway. The gear is all going to go on the same tower sites and make Crown Castle and American Tower rich if they do add another network.

It will ride over the same fiber backhauls from the local telecom back to the zone controllers anyway. Telecoms will get paid handsomely no matter what.

Doesn’t matter if they call it a “public” network and create another permanent bureaucracy with unelected people running it that can’t be controlled, or leave it in the hands of the for profit telecoms which also truly can’t be controlled.
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FirstNet is finally being built - what, 15 years after it was conceived? Contractor is ATT.
 
zaitcev said:
They built it to begin with, so why not. Not to mention, if they didn't ruin it since 1992...
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I thought the Department of Defense had something to do with bringing the Internet into being.
 
MadseasoN said:
One more step toward Idocracy.

Corporations ruined radio and TV, the internet is next.
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Oh no sir, people ruined the Internet. The Corporations just gave them what they wanted.

But in the good news department, Facebook has now published their rules for what they’ll censor on their service.

And the best rule of them all about what they’ll take down is:

“Visible anus and/or fully nude close-ups of buttocks unless photoshopped on a public figure".

Yay Internet.
 
MadseasoN said:
One more step toward Idocracy.

Corporations ruined radio and TV, the internet is next.
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Video killed the radio star. ;)
zaitcev said:
They built it to begin with, so why not. Not to mention, if they didn't ruin it since 1992...
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Wasn't it Al Gore's fault? Maybe we should go to government single provider so that it's fair to all. :stirpot:
denverpilot said:
Oh no sir, people ruined the Internet. The Corporations just gave them what they wanted.

But in the good news department, Facebook has now published their rules for what they’ll censor on their service.

And the best rule of them all about what they’ll take down is:

“Visible anus and/or fully nude close-ups of buttocks unless photoshopped on a public figure".

Yay Internet.
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Porn has been around since the early days. Internet's oldest use. Only way back then it was dot-matrix pictures of a naked woman.... ;)
 
wsuffa said:
Video killed the radio star. ;)

Wasn't it Al Gore's fault? Maybe we should go to government single provider so that it's fair to all. :stirpot:


Porn has been around since the early days. Internet's oldest use. Only way back then it was dot-matrix pictures of a naked woman.... ;)
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I always chuckle at the Gore thing because the electricity all these computers doing useless crap and to run the data centers is enormous. It’s killing his polar bears. That he keeps on display at his mansion he visits when he’s not at the other ones. In his bullet-proof 3 MPG SUV. Hahahaha.
 
wsuffa said:
Video killed the radio star. ;)
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Eh. Corporations killed the radio star. In the old days (pre 1996) local DJs had more pull when it came to programming. Now the entire playlist is decided by 'corporate'. Radio stations are empty on the weekends. Those DJs are pre-recorded, even the 'callers', then played back for your enjoyment. Programming now is based on what is cheap for corp to play and what will keep you from changing the radio station. 'Safe' radio.
 
If all you want to do is listen, podcasts are much better than radio...
 
MadseasoN said:
Eh. Corporations killed the radio star. In the old days (pre 1996) local DJs had more pull when it came to programming. Now the entire playlist is decided by 'corporate'. Radio stations are empty on the weekends. Those DJs are pre-recorded, even the 'callers', then played back for your enjoyment. Programming now is based on what is cheap for corp to play and what will keep you from changing the radio station. 'Safe' radio.
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My comment was a reference to a song by the Buggles.

With respect to the rest of it, that applies to only a small portion of the industry. DJs were on their way out long before the days of iHeart. I know far more about it than most folks. I will leave it at that.
 
denverpilot said:
Oh no sir, people ruined the Internet. The Corporations just gave them what they wanted.

But in the good news department, Facebook has now published their rules for what they’ll censor on their service.

And the best rule of them all about what they’ll take down is:

“Visible anus and/or fully nude close-ups of buttocks unless photoshopped on a public figure".

Yay Internet.
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Diet Coke. Out. Nostrils.

I am so firing up Photoshop!

Come to think of it, “Visible Anus” would make a great band name. :rofl:
 
LOL...

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denverpilot said:
Auto tune and ProTools also killed the radio star.
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No, AutoTune and PT took marginal and non- "musicians" and made them radio stars. Oh, and Steve Jobs killed the radio.
 
paflyer said:
No, AutoTune and PT took marginal and non- "musicians" and made them radio stars. Oh, and Steve Jobs killed the radio.
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Many people think that part about Jobs and the Internet, but pros in the business say the money was disappearing long before internet music services. And nowadays pros who were originally against it realize it saves many waning genres and many people “re-purchase” music when changing formats or online companies rather than deal with moving their electronic “colllection”.

And of course now we’re seeing it all move to subscription based “all you can eat” models anyway. Columbia House memberships, anyone? LOL!

As far as auto-tune and PT go, that’s only part of it. People don’t want to put the time and effort in to learn an instrument well or learn music theory to a level where they can compose well. You have to dig in the local live band scene to find high quality musicians.

Obviously there’s exceptions to that rule, and many small acts that get big hire a pile of excellent studio musicians to travel with them (Zac Brown is notable on this... solo artist grew to a huge band with top notch players), but really great players are not as easily noticed or picked up these days.

Why learn it when they can just push buttons and let the computer make mediocre music with the same boring chord progression?

It’s also nearly impossible (not completely impossible) to have a small band do something great, get heard locally and get airtime, go regional, then spread further organically with corporate producers doing everything and nobody local involved in what gets airtime (or internet time by being pushed into playlists). It happens but it’s really really slow.

One pro who’s stuff I watch says the modern equivalent of air play is getting on Spotify’s free song of the day type of stuff. Millions of plays instantly. He also says if the band handles that right they can make a few bucks off of the short lived peak in online plays, but online plays are pretty cheap.

He says most bands never made money on the music anyway, with all the cuts that were taken out of it, even in the heyday, and many bands would literally owe their record company so much money the label would trade them not paying it back for recording another album for free.

He says today if you want to really support a band, buy the music wherever, it doesn’t matter, and then buy their merch. Bands in almost all music deals get to keep most of, if not all, of the merch profits. They make a lot more money off of the hat, t-shirt, mug, or hoodie than selling music. There’s no writer, producer, or anyone else to share the cut with unless they hired an artist for logo work or whatever and most of those don’t work on percentage.

Oh and there’s also great artists who aren’t PC enough for record labels to back them... RIP Denver Joe...

http://www.westword.com/music/hey-denver-joe-5056770
 
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/comcast-throttling-internet-speeds

In a move that is not surprising in the slightest, Comcast shared via email today that it will begin throttling internet speeds for its mobile customers. It could end up doing more harm than money-saving good.
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Comcast will begin throttling video speeds to 480p on Comcast mobile plans unless you pay additional fees, the company announced in an email to customers. Comcast’s “unlimited” plan will also restrict mobile hotspot speeds to 600kbps or less. If you pay for data by the gigabyte, you’ll still get full-speed tethering—but you’re charged $12 per gig, so that could quickly add up if you’re streaming high-quality video over your hotspot connection.
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John221us said:
I am not sure this is an accurate analogy. You can buy a fast car (Internet bandwidth), but without net neutrality, they can put a governor on your car that throttles you to 55 MPH, if you don't buy gas from Shell. That is the comparison.
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I don't thinking is a good analogy. More accurate would be the companies control the roads themselves. It may not just be a matter of paying more, it may be that the company that owns the highways have their own trucking firm, and other trucking firms are slowed down so the companies trucking firm is the most reliable and quickest.

As for their competing to give the best to customers, that model is no longer happening. How many companies have already been giving slower connections than advertised, until the customer calls to complain and then presto...they up it to the correct agreed upon rate, for a while? Many have experienced that. If competitiveness was still in effect the company that didn't do that would win out, but it seems they all do it.
 
LongRoadBob said:
As for their competing to give the best to customers, that model is no longer happening. How many companies have already been giving slower connections than advertised, until the customer calls to complain and then presto...they up it to the correct agreed upon rate, for a while? Many have experienced that. If competitiveness was still in effect the company that didn't do that would win out, but it seems they all do it.
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A competitive model never existed in residential. It was always planned to be over provisioned.

Consumers gave up their ability to have competition when they bought into the BS that there shouldn’t be three cable companies in their neighborhood because there’d be “three ugly wires instead of one” extra on the telephone poles and forced politicians to give monopolies to a single provider in any particular geographic area.

Got exactly what they asked for. No remorse here for them from me. They bought that BS in a 80s and now they can’t get rid of the last mile monopolies that merged vertically after Judge Greene broke them up horizontally.

Welcome to self-induced hell.
 
UngaWunga said:
Its starting... https://arstechnica.com/information...obile-video-will-charge-extra-for-hd-streams/

And the whole Al Gore invented the internet thing... It was a misquote by a reporter many years ago that was never corrected. Funny how things like that carry on with a life of their own.
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LOL. He was on the committee that approved debt money to pay for some early ARPANet infrastructure. It was all obsolete and retired by the time he started making the claims.

But that’s all politicians for ya. They created everything and they love you. LOL.
 
Actually, he never said he invented it. It was a misquote. That's all I'm saying.
 
UngaWunga said:
And the whole Al Gore invented the internet thing... It was a misquote by a reporter many years ago that was never corrected. Funny how things like that carry on with a life of their own.
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He tried to take credit for 'creating' it when all he did was sit on a committee that appropriated some money (provided by taxpayers) to an agency that happened to use some of that money to build a predecessor to the internet.
In the full context of the interview, it makes him look even more of a boob than the 'Al Gore invented the internet' quip. But thanks for reminding me about Al Gore. Let me see, getting those wisdom teeth pulled was a lot of fun, oh and cellulitis of my arm from taking down the christmas lights, that was almost as pleasant as Al Gore.
 
weilke said:
He tried to take credit for 'creating' it when all he did was sit on a committee that appropriated some money (provided by taxpayers) to an agency that happened to use some of that money to build a predecessor to the internet.
In the full context of the interview, it makes him look even more of a boob than the 'Al Gore invented the internet' quip. But thanks for reminding me about Al Gore. Let me see, getting those wisdom teeth pulled was a lot of fun, oh and cellulitis of my arm from taking down the christmas lights, that was almost as pleasant as Al Gore.
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They’re all boobs. This is not anything new. :)
 
UngaWunga said:
Its starting... https://arstechnica.com/information...obile-video-will-charge-extra-for-hd-streams/

And the whole Al Gore invented the internet thing... It was a misquote by a reporter many years ago that was never corrected. Funny how things like that carry on with a life of their own.
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Technically, that's not net neutrality. They are doing the same thing to all content providers and bending the customer over the pipe. No different that tiered services that have long been available from the big wireless services.

It would be an issue with net neutrality IF they were blocking certain content providers or impacting the streams of content providers who didn't pay while improving the streams of those that did pay.

Not that what they're doing is very customer friendly, but since when were cable and wireless companies truly customer friendly.

Also of note, ATT is about to raise prices on their OTT Directvnow service. Just days after they represented to the judge that the merger would be consumer friendly and likely to lead to lower prices. Ah well, it's done now.
 
wsuffa said:
Also of note, ATT is about to raise prices on their OTT Directvnow service. Just days after they represented to the judge that the merger would be consumer friendly and likely to lead to lower prices. Ah well, it's done now.
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T always makes money. They have dividends to pay. :)

And a LOT of Jersey transplants on Long Island in upper management who have half million a year salaries to send the kids to Catholic school, and a boat. :)

Loved working with those guys and gals, but they never missed an opportunity to make money. Lots of money.

Good old Middletown, NJ. Nice conference rooms, which is about all I ever saw of it. And then the inside of the Rochelle Park, NJ CO. That wasn’t quite as well appointed. Lovely lime green paint though on the concrete block. :)

I do not recommend the former Holiday Inn in Rochelle Park for business travel, unless one wants to play the “name that stain” game in the hall and the room. :)
 
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