Houston Hobby closed through Wed. Due to Flooding

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Wow...
The FAA OIS shows Hobby closed for the next several days. According to UselessToday, United has canceled all regional ops at IAH as well.

How is everyone fairing through this down there?..

https://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/
 
What does FAA have controllers doing during such closures?
 
Strange that Hobby would close for so long and IAH is only showing a closure until Today at 1:00pm EDT, although they're still allowing departures this morning.
 
Strange that Hobby would close for so long and IAH is only showing a closure until Today at 1:00pm EDT, although they're still allowing departures this morning.

Hobby lies in a low area that is flooding with rain falls that were over 20 inches last night and more to come. Just getting to and from the airport is difficult now and will be for a few days.

IAH sits on higher ground, but some roads around it are flooded. From what I can tell there is still access to it.
 
Strange that Hobby would close for so long and IAH is only showing a closure until Today at 1:00pm EDT, although they're still allowing departures this morning.
IAH has better drainage???

EDIT: lol, ya beat me by seconds. Thanks for the details Doc. Just being able to drive to and from the airport, even if the runways weren't flooded would be a big factor. Maybe so many employees couldn't get to work they had no choice but to just close it
 
What does FAA have controllers doing during such closures?
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I didn't mean it like that. Just a possible answer to the question.
I just wouldn't think the elevation of the two would require one to be closed until Wed at 8am CDT and the other until today at 12pm CDT. That's quite a large span. Drainage must be poor if that's the case.
 
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I just wouldn't think the elevation of the two would require one to be closed until Wed at 8am CDT and the other until today at 12pm CDT. That's quite a large span. Drainage must be poor if that's the case.
Check post #5. Doc answers it. Sorry again for wording my response in a way that seemed accusing
 
For those not familiar with the area, Hobby is on the south side of Houston, and the original major airport. IAH is 20+ miles north of Hobby, used to be out in the northern sticks of Houston, but as with most large cities, more houses and businesses have moved out there. One of the reasons to build the airport out there was higher ground. Lots of the Houston area really is below sea level, even without a storm.
 
I thought I saw somewhere a bit ago that IAH is now closed until at least tomorrow at noon.
 
I thought I saw somewhere a bit ago that IAH is now closed until at least tomorrow at noon.
Looks like it was just updated, yet there's still departures taking place.
 
For those not familiar with the area, Hobby is on the south side of Houston, and the original major airport. IAH is 20+ miles north of Hobby, used to be out in the northern sticks of Houston, but as with most large cities, more houses and businesses have moved out there. One of the reasons to build the airport out there was higher ground. Lots of the Houston area really is below sea level, even without a storm.

Where do you get your information? Lot's of the Houston area is below sea level? Really!?? Tell me one area of Houston that is below sea level. Closer to the coast the elevations are lower, but they aren't below sea level. Downtown is about 50'. I think Galveston is about 5 or 6'. But not negative. This isn't New Orleans. Sheesh!
 
What does FAA have controllers doing during such closures?

Probably what any other company does when weather affects their operations. If you can make it in great. Otherwise I would assume they are equipped to keep things going as much as needed albeit short staffed.
 
Strange that Hobby would close for so long and IAH is only showing a closure until Today at 1:00pm EDT, although they're still allowing departures this morning.
IAH is now officially closed through noon Monday. It will likely go longer.

I got called in to work today shortly after I posted this.

Houston bound Intl flights are diverting everywhere, LAX, ORD, but IAD seems to be getting the bulk of it. Mex flights that diverted to DFW are being sent back to Mex because DFW Customs is jammed.
 
IAH has better drainage???

EDIT: lol, ya beat me by seconds. Thanks for the details Doc. Just being able to drive to and from the airport, even if the runways weren't flooded would be a big factor. Maybe so many employees couldn't get to work they had no choice but to just close it
You can only mando the night shift for so many hours. The Sups, on the other hand.....
 
IAH is now officially closed through noon Monday. It will likely go longer.

I got called in to work today shortly after I posted this.

Houston bound Intl flights are diverting everywhere, LAX, ORD, but IAD seems to be getting the bulk of it. Mex flights that diverted to DFW are being sent back to Mex because DFW Customs is jammed.
What a mess
 
Friend of my sister's sent this photo from old Downtown Houston from the Bayou Lofts.

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Another friend of hers, her parents were rescued by boat in the Friendswood area... water reached the second story of their house.

Ugly.
 
For reference, Hobby is ~halfway between downtown and Friendswood.
 
For what it's worth, Johnson Space Center closed the gates around 3am this morning and will remain closed through at least tomorrow. International Space Station flight controllers are still in the MCC, with cots and food/water for a few days.
 
I just wouldn't think the elevation of the two would require one to be closed until Wed at 8am CDT and the other until today at 12pm CDT. That's quite a large span. Drainage must be poor if that's the case.

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Sims Bayou is less than 5,000' north of the north boundary fencing at Hobby. It has inundated the entire area north of the airport, and the Atlantic Aviation FBO ramp is under water.

The field elevation at Houston Intercontinental (IAH) is 97' MSL, and the elevation at Houston Hobby is 46' MSL. Texas City's elevation is 9.84' and Galveston's is 6.89. The black clay soil that Houston floats on is waterlogged past the point of absorption, and the insignificant ground elevation slope from IAH to Galveston exacerbates the drainage problem. All of the city's bayous have overflowed their banks, and although 30+ inches of rain has been received in the last 36 hours, it continues to fall.

This is a truly life threatening situation.
 
Just saw a pictire on twitter that showed the runways at Hobby flooded over by 12 " of water.
 
Houston NWS Aviation Discussion basically says don't fly in the Houston area. They stated Houston is a No-Fly Zone. Sounds like it's getting worse.
 

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Just took a quick look at various freeway cameras on the west side of town. Lots of areas starting to flood out there now. They just ordered Ben Taub Hospital evacuated. BT is the major hospital/trauma center in town. Harris County has put out a call for anyone with watercraft and willing, to call in and take rescue assignments close to where they are.
 
Found the hobby flooding picture
 

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I also saw a tweet yesterday from the Texas National Guard saying that people flying drones/quads around were hampering rescue efforts.
 
Where do you get your information? Lot's of the Houston area is below sea level? Really!?? Tell me one area of Houston that is below sea level. Closer to the coast the elevations are lower, but they aren't below sea level. Downtown is about 50'. I think Galveston is about 5 or 6'. But not negative. This isn't New Orleans. Sheesh!
Well, having lived in Houston for 11 years until I Saw The Light and got tired of floods, humidity and traffic. Does that count?

But for more authority, check out the USGS website for elevations of major cities. Houston elevation ranges from sea level to 50 ft or so. Pretty much every building in downtown Houston has basements at or below sea level. I've been in the sub-basements of the Exxon building when I worked there. We used to laugh that putting the data center down there was incredibly stupid.
 
Well, having lived in Houston for 11 years until I Saw The Light and got tired of floods, humidity and traffic. Does that count?

But for more authority, check out the USGS website for elevations of major cities. Houston elevation ranges from sea level to 50 ft or so. Pretty much every building in downtown Houston has basements at or below sea level. I've been in the sub-basements of the Exxon building when I worked there. We used to laugh that putting the data center down there was incredibly stupid.

Or brilliant. Depends on whether flooding can destroy the data on harddrives.

(Admittedly a "movie plot" scenario. But if you want to wipe out the data in a plausibly deniable way without doing anything to the rest of the building...)
 
Or brilliant. Depends on whether flooding can destroy the data on harddrives.

(Admittedly a "movie plot" scenario. But if you want to wipe out the data in a plausibly deniable way without doing anything to the rest of the building...)

It doesn't destroy it, but it makes recovery of it hideously expensive.

I got the "joy" of dealing with a flooded data center on a second story of a very large building in, of all places, Phoenix, once.

Luckily the flooding was stopped at about the five inch level, which kept it well under the raised floor and was mostly a concern for the structural integrity of the building and whether or not the second floor, which was about two football fields big, would collapse into the first floor.

Five inches of water depth, two football fields big... you can do the math to figure how much that weighed. I did it real quick and evacuated non-essential personnel.

Luckily the building was originally built to house massive machinery on both floors, much heavier than an entire full data center weighs. (Printing presses.)

Root cause? Plugged drain pipe for air conditioning condensers combined with a monsoon week.

Secondary problem that made it far worse? Happened the week before occupancy and the water sensors under the raised floor weren't active yet.

The flooding was found on a Friday and the environmental sensors and alarms were scheduled to go online Monday and Tuesday.

And for that week, I drew the short straw and was the MFWIC. I was there for the site turn up while all of the more senior management and other senior engineering staff were at meetings at Corp HQ.

I got the contract engineering folks working on the load problem (they had access to building blueprints, I didn't), determined the building wouldn't collapse, got the disaster contacts called and the big pumps started, as well as got the plumbers to come clear all the damned drains so they'd do something, and appointed someone to oversee all those folks and escort them as needed throughout the weekend, and then caught my plane back to Denver -- while the site manager and usual site engineers swapped places with me in-flight.

They flew back in from meetings at Corp HQ in Denver after I updated them on all of the above.

We instituted a program to watch for early failures of everything that was installed on site (ours and customer's, since some of them had already started moving in) due to possible higher overall relative humidity and what not... never saw any problems other than metal raised floor framing having some surface rust and some fasteners rusting out. We never had gear problems and no customers ever complained of having any either.

The joys of building data centers. Meh. But if you're the MFWIC when the water is found where it shouldn't be, you have a lot of work to do.

Karma was cute on that trip though. The site manager told me as I headed for the airport to toss his extra house keys on the counter of his apartment (I was staying there on his couch) because I didn't have time to take them back to the data center. He didn't remember that he rode with someone to the airport and didn't bring his car keys and though he had his usual house key with him. Ha. He got to call a locksmith to get into his apartment when he got home. ;)

Serves him right for leaving me with that mess. Hahaha. Nah. He was a good guy. It was just a running joke for a couple of years. I'd always ask him when he called Corporate asking about systems problems if he had any water under the floor... :)
 
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