Trying to get 3rd class medical with class C misdemeanour(not traffic) convictions

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I am trying to get my 3rd class medical. Upon filling out the information I came to the page where they ask for history. In the past I got arrested for possession of marijuana <2oz (class B misd) while I was on probation I failed a hair test. After all was said and done with this case I was able to get this case dismissed. The date filed for this was September 2009. During all this mess I got a paraphernalia ticket (class c misdemeanour non traffic) that I payed for online an consequently was found guilty. This was filed July 2010.

Since this went down I have not been involved I have stayed on the straight and narrow.

Considering all this will this keep me from getting a third class medical?
 
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probably not ... but you will need to provide the particulars to the FAA. 2 drug related arrests may require a addiction specialist to clear you. My approach is to apply answering all questions truthfully and await instructions from OKC.
 
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What a shame you even have to go through all this crap. I just have such a hard time caring about stupid crap like if someone decided they want to smoke a plant, we should have bigger fish to fry in this country.
 
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The Federal concern as to drugs, alcohol, weed etc. was codified IIRC in the 2009 authorization to the FAA. So James, this part is not going away.

There is a proper concern about alcohol, about weed, which reduces short term memory more than acutely, and makes you generally less capable than you were.

Two events is at least "continued use in the face of consequences" (failing a hair test while on probation!). So he has the diagnosis....dependency.

What unreg. has to do is to show recovery, e.g, at least two years of abstinence (67.307), adequate recovery activities, without which it's hard to have a successful investigation conducted by the HIMS psychiatrist. As that is a 20 hour piece of work for the HIMS psych, and corresponding amounts of $$s, I try not to waste the pilots' $$s on going before he is ready.

This is a long road. And no, James, "NOT EVERYONE" has this issue.
 
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I got no horse in this game, outside of personal freedoms, that said I know quite a few higher functioning folks who like to smoke a little weed, a few of which are business types who could serve most people their own balls for breakfast and have them thank them for it, the FAA and most the rest of this country needs to try to wake up.

Flying your average bug smasher, or even a large turbine, requires less physically then jogging around the block, mentally it's so paint by numbers it's almost a joke, the real issue is with folks who have poor decision making skills or freeze when the chit hits the fan and like most of society's real issues you can't fix with a FAR. But if it makes the drooling masses feel "safe" oh well..
 
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Yeah. It seems that every pot smoker knows another "high functioning successful business type" pot smoker. Your evaluation of his functional state or success level is not an argument for legalization, it's a fallacy. You guys continue to litter online forums with this illogical reasoning.

Grow up and stop doing drugs, folks. Learn how to deal with your problems in a non self-destructive way.

I don't want drug addicts or criminals (people who can't follow the rules) flying airplanes, BTW. Buy a copy of FSX and smoke away in the convenience of your own home.
 
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I got no horse in this game, outside of personal freedoms, that said I know quite a few higher functioning folks who like to smoke a little weed, a few of which are business types who could serve most people their own balls for breakfast and have them thank them for it, the FAA and most the rest of this country needs to try to wake up.

Flying your average bug smasher, or even a large turbine, requires less physically then jogging around the block, mentally it's so paint by numbers it's almost a joke, the real issue is with folks who have poor decision making skills or freeze when the chit hits the fan and like most of society's real issues you can't fix with a FAR. But if it makes the drooling masses feel "safe" oh well..

James, if possible, keep in mind that this sub-forum is more about
"I have this going on, how does that affect ability to obtain/maintain a FAA Medical certificate" questions/answers/information (aka gain information about the regulatory facts)​
than to
debate/argue/urinate/moan about the FAA not keeping up cultural times/morals and opinions that the regs are not correct/proper/behind times.​

That Dr. Bruce is slowly returning is awesome. And he provided a proper and correct answer about what the original poster is facing to obtain his medical certificate. Please don't go shooting the rest of us in the feet by going on a diatribe of opinion or bad info and cause Bruce to leave.

So play nice, m'kay? :yes:
 
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Yeah. It seems that every pot smoker knows another "high functioning successful business type" pot smoker. Your evaluation of his functional state or success level is not an argument for legalization, it's a fallacy. You guys continue to litter online forums with this illogical reasoning.

Grow up and stop doing drugs, folks. Learn how to deal with your problems in a non self-destructive way.

I don't want drug addicts or criminals (people who can't follow the rules) flying airplanes, BTW. Buy a copy of FSX and smoke away in the convenience of your own home.

If you read what I wrote I don't smoke, not because of some dumb law or anything, but because it's not my thing.

I take it you don't drink, smoke, chew or eat red meat right?




James, if possible, keep in mind that this sub-forum is more about
"I have this going on, how does that affect ability to obtain/maintain a FAA Medical certificate" questions/answers/information (aka gain information about the regulatory facts)​
than to
debate/argue/urinate/moan about the FAA not keeping up cultural times/morals and opinions that the regs are not correct/proper/behind times.​

That Dr. Bruce is slowly returning is awesome. And he provided a proper and correct answer about what the original poster is facing to obtain his medical certificate. Please don't go shooting the rest of us in the feet by going on a diatribe of opinion or bad info and cause Bruce to leave.

So play nice, m'kay? :yes:

True, sorry Bruce.
 
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I'm with James.

I'm from Europe. 38 years ago everyone there was up in arms by the Dutch legalization of drugs. "It's gonna create heroin addicts, it's a gateway drug, it's the end of the world" etc. Today we know the result. The only people getting high in Amsterdam's "coffee shops" are thrill-seeking tourists, giddy with access. The Dutch couldn't care less. Crime rate down, drug use down. Our western neurosis about marijuana must end. It's far less problematic than alcohol.

Ask yourself, when was the last time you saw two potheads beat each other outside a bar? When was the last time you heard of a pothead beating his wife? Case closed.
 
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I'm with James.

I'm from Europe. 38 years ago everyone there was up in arms by the Dutch legalization of drugs. "It's gonna create heroin addicts, it's a gateway drug, it's the end of the world" etc. Today we know the result. The only people getting high in Amsterdam's "coffee shops" are thrill-seeking tourists, giddy with access. The Dutch couldn't care less. Crime rate down, drug use down. Our western neurosis about marijuana must end. It's far less problematic than alcohol.

Ask yourself, when was the last time you saw two potheads beat each other outside a bar? When was the last time you heard of a pothead beating his wife? Case closed.
When's the last time you saw two stoners contributing to society?
 
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When's the last time you saw two stoners contributing to society?

Apple Computer comes to mind. Probably quite a few others.

Not to say drugs are good, just pointing out that your question isnt a very good one.
 
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Apple Computer comes to mind. Probably quite a few others.

Not to say drugs are good, just pointing out that your question isnt a very good one.

He was a true stoner??? As in.. Hey man... Chill...

I don't think so.
 
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He was a true stoner??? As in.. Hey man... Chill...

I don't think so.

Can you drink and not be a alcoholic?

Addiction and drinking or smoking (anything) is not the same.

I can name quite a few folks who smoke and make six figures, I can also name a few people who can't a drink or smoke without it taking over their lives.

Addiction is a personality issue, it has nothing to do with the medium, right up there with guns being responsible for murder.
 
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When's the last time you saw two stoners contributing to society?

Years ago, I knew a guy who was as close to being a marijuana "addict" as you could ever hope to see. He made and sold mighty fine silver flutes.

BTW, last I heard, he had gotten religion, gotten off drugs, and was happily married.

Not saying he was typical, because I don't know, but stereotypes don't always apply.
 
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When's the last time you saw two stoners contributing to society?
The better question to ask - do you want someone under the influence of any controlled/addictive substance to be in control of a situation where your life or someone else's life is at risk?
 
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The better question to ask - do you want someone under the influence of any controlled/addictive substance to be in control of a situation where your life or someone else's life is at risk?

I don't get your drift?

It's against the law to fly when you're drunk, no law against drinking though, just do it responsibly.
 
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I only got arrested once, for the POM, yes I know that failing the hair test was stupid but hey, who here would want to be judged now for who they were in their late teens.

Either way it's not realy the arrest I'm concerned with because I never was convicted, and j believe the question asks about a conviction. I'm most concerned about the misdemeanour class C conviction.
 
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The FAA is concerned not only with convictions, but arrests when it comes to drugs and alcohol.
 
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If you read what I wrote I don't smoke, not because of some dumb law or anything, but because it's not my thing.

I take it you don't drink, smoke, chew or eat red meat right?

I never said you were.

Your last sentence is yet another fallacy. The things you listed are not illegal. If you're going to use the "well all of these things are bad too" argument then you are in fact arguing for the legalization of ALL drugs (Cocaine, Meth, Crack, Heroin, etc).

You live in a society, sir. Personal freedom ends where my freedom begins. I've seen too many peoples' lives ruined by drugs. Good people. Hard working people who now, because of access to drugs, have nothing and are drains on society.
 
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The FAA is concerned about things (even that are legal) when they potentially impact flying. This includes things that are legal (prescribed and OTC drugs, drinking, etc...) and once you get around to being convicted for drug use, you've actually met the psychological definition of a substance abuse problem.

Even non-drug convictions raise eyebrows in Joklahoma city as they may be a sign of other psychological issues.
 
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who here would want to be judged now for who they were in their late teens.

Me.

Don't be an idiot. Ever. Age is no excuse.

- 3rd year Mechanical Engineering student - Math Minor
- CP-ASEL

Judge away.
 
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The Federal concern as to drugs, alcohol, weed etc. was codified IIRC in the 2009 authorization to the FAA. So James, this part is not going away.

And from a purely practical standpoint, the fatal crash near Telluride (I think it was...) recently, where the pilot was likely a habitual pot user, isn't giving any bureaucrats or even non-bureaucrats any warm fuzzies about mixing the two.
 
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Me.

Don't be an idiot. Ever. Age is no excuse.

- 3rd year Mechanical Engineering student - Math Minor
- CP-ASEL

Judge away.

I'm judging you.

You are soon to be in the top 20% of income earners and if you are smart, aggressive and don't fall into the typical engineer rut of "that's a business decision" you could easily move to the top 5% or better.

I wish you all the success keep up the good work.
 
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I never said you were.

Your last sentence is yet another fallacy. The things you listed are not illegal. If you're going to use the "well all of these things are bad too" argument then you are in fact arguing for the legalization of ALL drugs (Cocaine, Meth, Crack, Heroin, etc).

You live in a society, sir. Personal freedom ends where my freedom begins. I've seen too many peoples' lives ruined by drugs. Good people. Hard working people who now, because of access to drugs, have nothing and are drains on society.

Which just goes to show you how miserably the law enforcement model of drug policy has worked. For all the endless layers of drug laws and bureaucracies to enforce them, people still use drugs.

Favoring the general legalization of drugs is not the same as believing that pilots, truckers, or even cab drivers should be allowed to use them. It does mean that some of us have a firm enough grasp of the obvious to realize that the law-enforcement approach to drug policy ranks among history's most massive boondoggles. It benefits no one except the criminal justice industry and the drug dealers themselves. Their interests are tied together in a peculiar irony: A policy that allowed recreational drugs to be sold by pharmacists would put both the drug dealers and every government employee engaged in fighting the War on Plants out of business.

You can't solve a social problem by passing laws against it and then pretending that you did something useful. One would think that more than a century of increasingly draconian drug policies would have made that obvious.

Rich
 
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I know a couple Nobel Prize winners. Does that count?

The Noble Prize lost all credibility when it was awarded to Obama.
 
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The Noble Prize lost all credibility when it was awarded to Obama.

Nah...it lost it back when Kissenger got it.
 
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I never said you were.

Your last sentence is yet another fallacy. The things you listed are not illegal. If you're going to use the "well all of these things are bad too" argument then you are in fact arguing for the legalization of ALL drugs (Cocaine, Meth, Crack, Heroin, etc).

You live in a society, sir. Personal freedom ends where my freedom begins. I've seen too many peoples' lives ruined by drugs. Good people. Hard working people who now, because of access to drugs, have nothing and are drains on society.

:rofl:

All the drugs you just mentioned are legal, just by prescription and they tend to be more deadly than in their natural (illegal) state. Keep up that hardcore stance on "illegal" drugs, as parents put their kids on rittilian, heck oxy can be prescribed to your kids before they are even legally able to drink or smoke cigs, actually before they can get their drivers permit. But hey, don't worry about that it's the "stoners" and "reefer madness" tearing people's lives apart :lol:

Also as far as freedoms, as long as no one is hurting YOU, it's none of your damn business, If I'm buying drugs with my money and enjoying them on MY time, away from MY job, it's no ones business.

As far as addicts, there is nothing you can do with folks wired like that, if it's not crack, it's going to be booze, if not booze they'll be gambling their savings away, or huffing paint or something.

As far as a "drain on society" goes, some dude smoking some weed at home ain't even on the radar, want a drain, it's called the "war on drugs" plenty of puritans armed with lethal weapons pushing their beliefs on people who are hurting no one, prisons filled with people who have hurt no one, but have their lives ruined over victimless crimes, people held in cages who will never be able to contribute much to society, not because of smoking a little whatever on their time, but because of their "record", court systems who can't punish real criminals (the burglars, thugs and sub human scum of the earth) because they are swamped wasting resources hurting folks who just were smoking some leaf on their day off.
 
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:rofl:

All the drugs you just mentioned are legal, just by prescription and they tend to be more deadly than in their natural (illegal) state.

If you are talking about the ones he enumerated ((Cocaine, Meth, Crack, Heroin), you're wrong. Heroin is on schedule I with marijuana and federally can't be prescribed PERIOD.
 
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The Noble Prize lost all credibility when it was awarded to Obama.

Peace Prize, yeah.

But the actual science prizes are still pretty credible.
 
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When's the last time you saw two stoners contributing to society?

Bill Clinton! Oh wait, he didn't inhale....:rofl:
 
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If you are talking about the ones he enumerated ((Cocaine, Meth, Crack, Heroin), you're wrong. Heroin is on schedule I with marijuana and federally can't be prescribed PERIOD.

Really? Oxycodone?

FDA approved it for children as young as 11.....

But hey, put it in a pretty pill forum, put the profits into peoples pockets with political ties, change the name and formula juuuust enough and it's all perfectly legal.
 
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If you are talking about the ones he enumerated ((Cocaine, Meth, Crack, Heroin), you're wrong. Heroin is on schedule I with marijuana and federally can't be prescribed PERIOD.

Actually, since 1985, marijuana can legally be prescribed in the form of Marinol capsules and is Schedule III in that form. It's bound up with sesame oil so it absorbs and releases slowly and is extremely unlikely to bring about euphoria. After all, we don't want people who are undergoing cancer therapy and who are taking Marinol to mitigate the chemo symptoms (Marinol's intended use and the only approved one the last time I checked) to experience a bit of euphoria. That might disrupt the unending misery of cancer and chemotherapy. We don't want that happening.

In addition, Marinol doesn't work very well. It's also very difficult to dose properly. Underdosing provides no relief, and overdosing brings about symptoms that are even worse than those of the chemotherapy, including spatial disorientation, dizziness, and vertigo that can last for hours or days. This, however, is preferred by Big Brother over letting the patient fire up a spliff, whose dosage people can easily control, because if they fire up a spliff they might -- heaven forbid -- experience euphoria.

If you look through all the Schedule I drugs, the phrase that keeps coming up in their descriptions is that they can "induce euphoria." Euphoria is strictly forbidden under U.S. law, and experiencing euphoria or assisting others to experience euphoria is punishable by a lengthy prison term. People are not allowed to feel any happier than the government believes is appropriate.

We live in a very sick society.

Rich
 
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Really? Oxycodone?

FDA approved it for children as young as 11.....

But hey, put it in a pretty pill forum, put the profits into peoples pockets with political ties, change the name and formula juuuust enough and it's all perfectly legal.

Yep, it's extremely close, but that doesn't make your statement any less incorrect.
 
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Yep, it's extremely close, but that doesn't make your statement any less incorrect.

Ron, you're a smart guy, I know you're not that naive.


It's just a more profitable form of heroin, same results, just because it's big pharma, so.... it's different :lol:

OxyContin and Heroin Facts—FDA Testimony

On May 5, 2009, the FDA invited Novus to provide testimony before a special FDA committee that was investigating what Risk Evaluation Mitigation Strategies (“REMS”) to impose on dangerous prescription narcotics like OxyContin.

During our testimony, we stated that this is known about heroin and OxyContin:

Heroin was initially advertised as being less addictive than morphine and widely promoted in the United States for the treatment of pain and respiratory problems;
Because of its addictive qualities, heroin was made illegal in 1914;
OxyContin was released to the public in 1995;
Purdue Pharma, maker of Oxycontin, pled guilty to lying to the FDA, doctors and the public in 2007;
Purdue Pharma’s influential friends saw to it that OxyContin stayed on the market even though equal application of the law required that Purdue Pharma not be allowed to do business with the government;
Heroin and OxyContin are molecularly almost identical;
Heroin and OxyContin operate in the same manner in the body;
Heroin and OxyContin are interchangeable and addicts regularly use the one that is available;
OxyContin is easily obtained from a number of doctors who prescribe it for any excuse as long as the patient can pay for the office visit;
According to the studies cited in the March 2008 issue of Pain Physician, use of narcotics like OxyContin in the treatment of non-cancer pain patients has little benefit and many side effects.
Our question was: “Why Is Heroin Illegal and OxyContin Legal?”

“One of our patients, a former heroin addict who used OxyContin when he couldn’t get heroin and heroin when he couldn’t get OxyContin, but preferred OxyContin even though it was more expensive because it was safer, asked, ‘Why is heroin illegal and OxyContin legal?’”

There was silence from the panel and, unfortunately, there was no way that they could be compelled to answer.


Judge for yourself.

Effects of Black tar heroin (more natural, less taxed and less lobbyers paying government)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CAuYqVJSJRI

Effects of Oxy (made in a lab, legal, highly profitable for Pharma and congress supporters)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssps8taxoiI

Seems the same outcome to me

I'd wager in the eyes of the FAA, if I got busted for using black tar (which I don't) responsibly and not operating any vehicles while under it's influence I'd be F'd with the FAA, BUT IF I was taking oxy under the same not while operating a vehicle situations, yet claimed it was for one of those "back injuries" I'm sure the FAA would work with me.


FYI, here is how our society chooses what's law and what's criminal, worth a watch, especially if you're not familiar with ALEC

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHYOB5uptc
 
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I'm not naive, but saying it's practically the same (which I agree) don't change the fact that HEROIN is and on Sched I and Oxycodone is on Sched II.

It's like saying the 150 and the 152 are the same plane. Pretty damn close, used for the same thing, but they're not the same.

Further, the pharmacological implications aren't really a factor in narcotic scheduling. It's purely a political "risk of abuse" vs. "legitimate use" negotiation. It's pretty clear that Marijuana shouldn't be on schedule I and the fact that piece of political obstinance is causing more problems (state level medical folderol) than the benefit of having it there.
 
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.... It's purely a political "risk of abuse" vs. "legitimate use" negotiation. ....

If by "risk of abuse" you mean paying off the right senators, we agree.
 
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I know a couple Nobel Prize winners. Does that count?

True stoners, not occasional users? I thought the reference was "Pot Head".
 
Re: Trying to get 3rd class medical with class C misdemeanour(not traffic) conviction

Can you drink and not be a alcoholic?

Addiction and drinking or smoking (anything) is not the same.

I can name quite a few folks who smoke and make six figures, I can also name a few people who can't a drink or smoke without it taking over their lives.

Addiction is a personality issue, it has nothing to do with the medium, right up there with guns being responsible for murder.
You can have a drink or two and not get bombed. When you smoke weed, you get downright stoned. It is completely different.
 
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You can have a drink or two and not get bombed. When you smoke weed, you get downright stoned. It is completely different.

First off, who cares.

If you're doing it away from work or vehicles or heavy equipment etc, it's no ones business.

Second I've had more folks get hurt, try to start fights, and do overall dumb crap when drunk compared to stoned
 
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