CC across states

[gibbons]

I know some of you guys can clerify this for me.

I checked out packing. org and this is what I understand:

If I have a cc permit in Arkansas...

• I'm OK to carry in Oklahoma.
• I'm not OK to carry in Kansas because, apparently, nobody can carry in Kansas except law enforcement, private detectives, and criminals.
• Although I can't get a permit for Colorado, I can carry in Colorado as long as it's in my car or on my bike. Otherwise, I can't.

Have I read this correctly? What about it Colorado and Kansas folks?

 

[Ghery]

Well, my information is just a few years out of date, but when I lived in Colorado in the early 1980s your information was correct (don't know about bicycles). Just don't step out of the car with it concealed. OK in your home or business that you own. But, this information is 25 years old, so keep checking.

New Mexico only had two guns laws that the folks at the NRA Whittington Center felt we needed to know about when I ran an event there in 1982. Don't carry concealed. Don't carry into a place that sells alcohol. Other than that, life was pretty simple. Don't know how much has changed there, either.

 

[Matthew]

Kansas is now a CC state. I don't know about any reciprocity, though. I'll try to check around and find a web-site for you.

edit:

Here you go (By the way, we DO recognize the Arkansas CC permit)

http://www.ksag.org/content/page/id/90

 

[kevin47881]

http://www.ksag.org/files/shared/conceal.carry.reciprocity.pdf

Here's the link for reciprocity. Arkansas is included.

 

[Obi Heed Kenobi]

I know some of you guys can clerify this for me.

I checked out packing. org and this is what I understand:

If I have a cc permit in Arkansas...

• I'm OK to carry in Oklahoma.
• I'm not OK to carry in Kansas because, apparently, nobody can carry in Kansas except law enforcement, private detectives, and criminals.
• Although I can't get a permit for Colorado, I can carry in Colorado as long as it's in my car or on my bike. Otherwise, I can't.

Have I read this correctly? What about it Colorado and Kansas folks?

In Colorado, you can freely carry in your car, regardless of where you are (in terms of what municipality you might be in). Don't know about the bike.

As somebody else said, don't step out of your car with it concealed on your person.

 

[NC Pilot]

I know some of you guys can clerify this for me.

I checked out packing. org and this is what I understand:

If I have a cc permit in Arkansas...

• I'm OK to carry in Oklahoma.
• I'm not OK to carry in Kansas because, apparently, nobody can carry in Kansas except law enforcement, private detectives, and criminals.
• Although I can't get a permit for Colorado, I can carry in Colorado as long as it's in my car or on my bike. Otherwise, I can't.

Have I read this correctly? What about it Colorado and Kansas folks?

Take a look at http://www.packing.org/

This might help you understand the reciprocity and laws state to state

 

[Earthroamer]

Apply for a Florida CC permit. You do not have to be a resident of the state and they have more states that they play easily with.

 

[Matthew]

Apply for a Florida CC permit. You do not have to be a resident of the state and they have more states that they play easily with.

Be careful on this, check things out first - My state, Kansas, will recognize most out of state permits ONLY if they are held by out of state residents. The fine print also says you must be a resident of the state from which the permit was issued.

 

[gibbons]

http://www.ksag.org/files/shared/conceal.carry.reciprocity.pdf

Here's the link for reciprocity. Arkansas is included.

Kansas is now a CC state. I don't know about any reciprocity, though. I'll try to check around and find a web-site for you.

edit:

Here you go (By the way, we DO recognize the Arkansas CC permit)

http://www.ksag.org/content/page/id/90

Thanks guys. Great link and good for Kansas. Looks like packing.org needs to update their info.

In Colorado, you can freely carry in your car, regardless of where you are (in terms of what municipality you might be in). Don't know about the bike.

Here's what packing.org has on the law in Colorado (emphasis is mine):

(3) (a) a person who may lawfully possess a handgun may carry a handgun under the following circumstances without obtaining a permit and the handgun shall not be considered concealed:
(I) the handgun is in the possession of a person who is in a private automobile or in some other private means of conveyance and who carries the handgun for a legal use, including self-defense;

I think I'm good to go.

 

[gkainz]

In Colorado, you can freely carry in your car, regardless of where you are (in terms of what municipality you might be in). Don't know about the bike.

As somebody else said, don't step out of your car with it concealed on your person.

I think the city of Denver is the exception to that, but not completely sure ... I know they have considerably stricter ordinances.

 

[Obi Heed Kenobi]

I think the city of Denver is the exception to that, but not completely sure ... I know they have considerably stricter ordinances.

They used to be. What happened was that the state legislature passed the law with some vague language allowing guns in cars, regardless of what the locality said about it. Denver passed an ordnance anyway, that was contrary to this. The CO Supreme Court sided with Denver on the issue, because the State legislature's wording was vague (this was 2002). In 2003, the State revamped the statute that specifically says a weapon may be carried within, without, or through a municipality in a private conveyance. There's no ambiguity and no doubt. Basically, the effect of the law is that all local ordnances are trumped/preempted by the state law, which allows guns in cars.

I think the Denver ordnance might still be on the books, but it's invalid and you can do what you want, so long as it's in your car (might be some exceptions near certain buildings, but I can't remember and am too lazy to get on Westlaw to find out).

I researched the issue pretty extensively recently (sometime since January), so the above is pretty up to date.

 

[Albro]

So, should we now take this thread up a level, like carrying in your AC?

 

[KennyFlys]

So, should we now take this thread up a level, like carrying in your AC?

You're probably legal to carry anywhere aloft. You just can't land where it's illegal.

That would be a nice little rule the FAA could provide... airports are exempt from conceal carry restrictions for private aircraft. If there is no CCW provision in the law of that city and state, the weapon simply stays in the aircraft. It's not ideal but it's something.

 

[Albro]

You're probably legal to carry anywhere aloft. You just can't land where it's illegal.

That would be a nice little rule the FAA could provide... airports are exempt from conceal carry restrictions for private aircraft. If there is no CCW provision in the law of that city and state, the weapon simply stays in the aircraft. It's not ideal but it's something.

So, if you're carrying and are forced to land in a state where it may be illegal (mech problem/need gas) you'd better have it well hidden and plan a fast departure ASAP. And, don't have a NRA decal on your windshield. I'd suppose.

 

[KennyFlys]

So, if you're carrying and are forced to land in a state where it may be illegal (mech problem/need gas) you'd better have it well hidden and plan a fast departure ASAP. And, don't have a NRA decal on your windshield. I'd suppose.

That is an interesting dilemma. There are a few cities where they would just assume shoot you than arrest you just because you favor gun ownership; New York being one them. There, you don't dare use a firearm to defend your family during a burglary. That's more criminal than the break-in.

Maybe a few resident lawyers can comment on that one. Heck, how would New York and Denver react if you were carrying and forced down in an emergency?

 

[T Bone]

Wow, this didn't get bumped to the Spin Zone? Cool.

Chip, always wise to verify info from Packing.org, as their own disclaimer states, you should not base actions on their info alone. Always best to verify with the State you are planning to carry in (many, such as Michigan, have websites that clearly indicate any reciprocity, restrictions, etc). With about half the nation now (finally!) being "shall issue" states WRT concealed carry license/permits, it is easier than ever to legally carry in more and more places.

But there are many oddities and local nuances that could easily put one unintentionally outside the law (Toledo Ohio comes to mind, with a magazine restriction that would make anything over a ten round mag illegal).

Michigan will recognize out of state permits from all states, but only for residents of the issuing states. Nevada doesn't recognize anyone else's, but will issue non-resident permits. From what I gather, Az. will not recognize a Nevada permit, and does not issue non resident permits. But many here in Nv. obtain Utah permits expressly for carry in Arizona.....

My Michigan permit covers aprox. 32 states. I am awaiting my Nevada permit......

 

[Obi Heed Kenobi]

That is an interesting dilemma. There are a few cities where they would just assume shoot you than arrest you just because you favor gun ownership; New York being one them. There, you don't dare use a firearm to defend your family during a burglary. That's more criminal than the break-in.

Maybe a few resident lawyers can comment on that one. Heck, how would New York and Denver react if you were carrying and forced down in an emergency?

I wouldn't be surprised if the situation is exactly as you say it is - I don't, however, know firsthand of any examples (except that subway case from the 80's in NY, what was the dude's name?), so I can't really comment.

As I said, however, it would not surprise me one bit. After all, we're supposed to let the government protect us, and we all know that the police have each and every one of our best interests close to their collective heart and will gladly and willingly do everything possible to protect us, which includes actually preventing harm from occurring to each of us all the time, which therefore means that we have no need to protect ourselves and that any time we show a shred of initiative to do something of our own accord we're out of line and therefore a danger in our right, correct?

Who doesn't like run-on sentences? And now that I've gotten the thread moved to the SZ....

 

[ausrere]

So, if you're carrying and are forced to land in a state where it may be illegal (mech problem/need gas) you'd better have it well hidden and plan a fast departure ASAP. And, don't have a NRA decal on your windshield. I'd suppose.

Funny story about carrying in a plane in another state: I was a passenger in a crash in Ruiodso NM in 1988. Two of us in the plane were LEO's. When the EMS/Crash crew arrived at the scene, we were all unconscious but still in the plane. When they started extracting us they started finding guns on us. They just knew we were drug runners and they called the local state police (why no one thought to check ID's I don't know). When I woke up at the hospital, I had an escort of three state police officers. They started giving me the third degree and I was so groggy it took me a minute to figure out they thought we bad guys and were there to arrest us. The hospital staff had cut off my jeans, so I didn't have my ID on me. It took a while for them to track my stuff down so I could convince the troopers I was really a cop! I'm sure the jail is nice in Ruiodso, but I'm glad I didn't get to find out.

 

[KennyFlys]

I wouldn't be surprised if the situation is exactly as you say it is - I don't, however, know firsthand of any examples (except that subway case from the 80's in NY, what was the dude's name?), so I can't really comment.

You speak of Bernhard Goetz. I kept trying to say his name out loud and all I could get out was "Barny Franks."

As I said, however, it would not surprise me one bit. After all, we're supposed to let the government protect us, and we all know that the police have each and every one of our best interests close to their collective heart and will gladly and willingly do everything possible to protect us, which includes actually preventing harm from occurring to each of us all the time, which therefore means that we have no need to protect ourselves and that any time we show a shred of initiative to do something of our own accord we're out of line and therefore a danger in our right, correct?

Well, there was the SCOTUS decision a couple years ago to the effect of "police are not obligated to prevent crime." So, what's left but to defend ourselves?

Who doesn't like run-on sentences? And now that I've gotten the thread moved to the SZ....

That's Okay, you're just being your lawyerly self. When I carry documents from a lawyer, I speak of them as being the most helpful documents or the most dangerous. Either way, they were written a lawyer!

 

[gkainz]

David - thanks for the update - score 1 for our side!

 

[Obi Heed Kenobi]

David - thanks for the update - score 1 for our side!

Word, dawg! Haha

 

[Obi Heed Kenobi]

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Well, there was the SCOTUS decision a couple years ago to the effect of "police are not obligated to prevent crime." So, what's left but to defend ourselves?

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Yup - yet what are you supposed to do when something is breaking into your apartment in New York City? Dial 911, of course.

Unless it's a ghost, in which case you call Ghostbusters. I ain't 'fraid of no ghost, though.

 

[Earthroamer]

Be careful on this, check things out first - My state, Kansas, will recognize most out of state permits ONLY if they are held by out of state residents. The fine print also says you must be a resident of the state from which the permit was issued.

www.packing.org

This site will back up my non-resident statement.

 

[Matthew]

www.packing.org

This site will back up my non-resident statement.

I'll have to look closer at that - right now my battery is starting to go.

I cut this out of the FAQ file direct from the Kansas Atty General website, it seems pretty specific.

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If I am a Kansas resident and have a valid CCH license from a state recognized
by the state of Kansas, can I carry a concealed handgun in Kansas based on that
out-of-state license?​

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Answer: No. The Attorney General has published a list of states whose CCH

licenses will be recognized in Kansas, however, if a person is a Kansas
resident, he/she must have a Kansas issued CCH in order to carry a
concealed handgun in the State of Kansas. Kansas residents will not be legal
to carry concealed based on a license issued by another state. Likewise, outof-
state licensees must be a resident of the state issuing the license.​

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