Has anyone here flown a Robin DR2160 ?
160hp french 2-seat trainer approved for +6/-3. Not many of them in the US.
You bet! There used to be 3 of them for rent at Long Beach, did my initial aerobatic training in N2160Z with a girl who died in the C-130 that folded the wings on a fire mission.
N2160Z is for sale, I'll meet with the owner this weekend. I think I have to leave the check-book at home .
Is Oscar Zulu still Black and Gold? I haven't flown her in 20 years, if she's still the girl she was, you might want to fold one check into your wallet just in case.
Another nice thing about them is you have a left throttle and center throttle so you can use either hand for either from the left seat. I found practicing aerobatics ambidextrously was fun and was probably why I never had an issue switching to the right seat.
Black/gold with sort of a starburst pattern.
Neat, didn't know that.
Now, given that you have flown the plane, not sure whether that augments or detracts from the value .
That's the same scheme, I used to have a picture of her with my black and Gold Z-28. Where is she now?
Stafford,VA KRMN.
I have no idea what these things are worth as there are so few transactions to look at. I guess I'll have to decide what it is worth to ME.
Pretty much, what's the asking? Engine time? (last I knew her it was a stock O-320 with no inverted systems and a 30 second inverted limitation) TT?
Asking 75k. 64SMOH, 2477TT, 80s vintage Narco stack and a KXN 135 (VFR) GPS. Includes 2 Strong parachutes 2006 vintage included (I believe there is a lifetime limit on emergency chutes, 15 years or so).
The problem so far is that my wife overheard one end of the phone conversation with the owner. After I hung up, she asked me 'when did you tell him that you are not buying another plane ?'
Asking 75k. 64SMOH, 2477TT, 80s vintage Narco stack and a KXN 135 (VFR) GPS. Includes 2 Strong parachutes 2006 vintage included (I believe there is a lifetime limit on emergency chutes, 15 years or so).
The problem so far is that my wife overheard one end of the phone conversation with the owner. After I hung up, she asked me 'when did you tell him that you are not buying another plane ?'
No limit on the Strong or National chutes as far as I know. The Softie brand has a 20 year limit.
Can you get parts for the Robin?
Asking 75k. 64SMOH, 2477TT, 80s vintage Narco stack and a KXN 135 (VFR) GPS. Includes 2 Strong parachutes 2006 vintage included (I believe there is a lifetime limit on emergency chutes, 15 years or so).
The problem so far is that my wife overheard one end of the phone conversation with the owner. After I hung up, she asked me 'when did you tell him that you are not buying another plane ?'
That's a good question and the answer is obviously yes. That's the thing, planes are engineered around common components, the actual airframe parts that get damaged are typically easy to reproduce from common stock. Stuff like canopies and windshields come from third parties.... A smart owner can easily and within the rules fabricate or direct to have fabricated any part required to return their plane to service.
How would you get a cracked cast part replaced if you couldn't buy a serviceable used part or factory part? How many foundries would be willing to make an airplane part? How many mechanics would sign off on it and install it? How much would it cost?
Can you get parts for the Robin?
Good question.
The history of the type certificate is a bit complicated. At this point, the TC is owned by Alpha aviation in NZ. They started making new planes in 2006 but shut down new production in 2008. The company still exists and assures me that they can provide most parts. The woodwing Robins (DR400 series) are quite common in europe. Their TC is now owned by 'New Robin'. While the 2160 is a different (all metal) design, there is apparently a fair amount of parts commonality.
Met with the owner today, went up for a couple of rolls around the pattern. I am doomed.
Congrats Weilke. Post pictures of her when you get her home!
While I know that I am doomed, I haven't quite jumped off the ledge yet. It is a real oddball plane and I dont have hangar space to put it into. Still have to do some due diligence regarding a couple of items. But I am clearly in lust .
http://www.pprune.org/flying-instructors-examiners/350409-robin-r2160.html
These blokes can answer your question (abeit with a funny accent...).
Chris
That's funny. The other plane I was looking for is a Scottisch Aviation Bulldog. But all of those in the US are all on exhibition experimental certificates which my life insurer doesn't like.
Have you considered a CAP-10 ?
Pretty much has the same issues as the Robin with manufacturer support and a small fleet size. Plus the termites .
Now you know how we feel getting parts for American aeroplanes sent to Oz........ I sent some brakes parts to Australia a couple of months ago...
I bought a Robin 2160 a year ago this month and love it.