Aeronca Chief 65hp PIREPs?

Found a low time 1940 vintage Aeronca Chief for sale nearby.

Anyone have experience with these birds?

That was the first airplane Greg and I owned together...loved it. That's the airplane I learned to fly a taildragger in...loads of fun. Only sold it cause we needed the money for the down payment on our first house.
 
I did spin training in one with a former Hellcat pilot. Good solid airplane. Slow. Continental 65 is a good engine. I have an A65 in my Fly Baby, same thing as the 65 with slightly higher redline. Hope you get it!
 
There is a bunch of information on pre-war Chiefs here:

http://www.joea.com/phpBB2/

The pre-war Chiefs are allegedly the fastest of the 2 seat Aeroncas. Beautiful airplane from a different era. I saw a beautiful red one at a fly-in south of Atlanta a few months ago. I'll probably try and buy one someday...

The pre-wars are harder to support than the post-wars. The parts do not interchange and of course, there were a lot of Champs and Chiefs built after the war, with about 75% parts commonality, so there are still lots of parts out there. Also there are PMA'd parts for most of the post-war aircraft.
 
Continental or Lycoming 65? the Lycoming is really about a 55. I took a ride in a Lycoming powered Chief once, near sunset in the summer. DA was probably about 3500 or 4000 feet. climb was shallow, to say the least.
 
Yea, big difference between the 2 types of 65s. If it's a continental go for it.
 
Thanks all for the great replies!!

I may fly up to look it over today.

I'm 6'1", 190, so not a Clydesdale, but not a Shetland, either.

:D
 
Lycoming 65's are hard to find parts for. Keep looking, find one with a Continental.
Dave
 
yep. guy I flew with just has a spare engine laying around to keep his Lyc running. If it is timed out then I would consider it, and find a Continental to bolt on there.
 
hmm. tough choice. it might be good to go for the number of hours you would reasonably put on it in the next 5 or 10 years.

i'd still want to have a parts pile available in the corner of the hangar. of course I'd want that with any airplane.
 
hmm. tough choice. it might be good to go for the number of hours you would reasonably put on it in the next 5 or 10 years.

i'd still want to have a parts pile available in the corner of the hangar. of course I'd want that with any airplane.

Exactly.

I have two excellent IAs at my home airport. I'll ask for opinions there as well if it looks like it might be possible. I've only seen ad on the fridge in the FBO.

Talked to the owner last night -- it was her husband's -- he recently passed away. :frown3:
 
Tony and I have a pal here with one. We could hook you up if you want to talk. Ray has had a fair amount of trouble with his Lycoming but some of that was due to a bad deal he got on a rebuild. He's doing well with it now. But, he could tell you what it's like to operate. It's pretty anemic but he flies it all over the place. I'd own one but would start scrounging for parts right away to have on hand. Or for that matter, just get another engine and start overhauling it as a back up.
 
Tony and I have a pal here with one. We could hook you up if you want to talk. Ray has had a fair amount of trouble with his Lycoming but some of that was due to a bad deal he got on a rebuild. He's doing well with it now. But, he could tell you what it's like to operate. It's pretty anemic but he flies it all over the place. I'd own one but would start scrounging for parts right away to have on hand. Or for that matter, just get another engine and start overhauling it as a back up.

Thanks.. I may do that -- let me check out the airplane and see if it's worth pursuing...
 
Thanks all for the great replies!!

I may fly up to look it over today.

I'm 6'1", 190, so not a Clydesdale, but not a Shetland, either.

:D


Well, Greg and I both fit in our at the time we owned it. 6'4", 190 pounds & me 5'3", 140 pounds at the time...if only that were true today...:(
 
Well, Greg and I both fit in our at the time we owned it. 6'4", 190 pounds & me 5'3", 140 pounds at the time...if only that were true today...:(

I had to make a thick cushion to put on the seat so I could see over the nose....lol
 
Thanks.. I may do that -- let me check out the airplane and see if it's worth pursuing...

Buy it, if it doesn't climb well up grade it to a 0-200 there are STCs to do that.

What fabric system does it have installed? when was it put on?

Chief's are slower side by side version of the champ. Same wing, gear, and engine, with yokes rather than sticks.
 
Hmm. I think it had more to do with being able to REACH THE RUDDER PEDALS. :goofy:
Could be...been so long I couldn't remember but I do think you are correct on that matter...the brain, just like the bones are indeed starting to get warn down after many years of use. Ok...Ok...It's debatable how much I've used my brain over the years...:crazy:
 
Well, Greg and I both fit in our at the time we owned it. 6'4", 190 pounds & me 5'3", 140 pounds at the time...if only that were true today...:(

What Sharron your not 5'3" any more :wink2:
 
Buy it, if it doesn't climb well up grade it to a 0-200 there are STCs to do that.

What fabric system does it have installed? when was it put on?

Chief's are slower side by side version of the champ. Same wing, gear, and engine, with yokes rather than sticks.


More details:

Stits Poly-Fiber in 1979

Flown about 200 hours since recover and OH in 1979
 
Fabric sounds a bit on the old side. First GA aircraft in which I ever flew was a Chief. My friend and former colleague (he jumped ship) said it was a handful on the ground. I don't recall it having any trouble taking off from his 2K ft grass strip, but we're both fairly small people. He could turn, bank, and climb just by sticking his hands out the window.
 
The 0-145 has a bad reputation for having low power. I don't know anything about its parts or reliability. I see a lot of pre-war Chiefs on Barnstormers for under $20k, and those have Continentals. Unless this airplane is a steal, you might try finding one with a Continental and newer fabric. 30 years between coverings is a long time, even for a hangar queen.

As an aside, these airplanes don't seem to sell quickly, so who knows what the final selling prices are. I suspect they are substantially below the asking prices.

One consideration is IF this airplane is priced at rock bottom, you might look at it as a project. Strip, recover, upgrade to Continental. Of course, that's a $10k bill if you don't find anything wrong when you uncover it and if you do the work yourself.
 
The 0-145 has a bad reputation for having low power. I don't know anything about its parts or reliability. I see a lot of pre-war Chiefs on Barnstormers for under $20k, and those have Continentals. Unless this airplane is a steal, you might try finding one with a Continental and newer fabric. 30 years between coverings is a long time, even for a hangar queen.

Common belief is that fabric systems have a time life, simply isn't true. like any other thing I can think of it really depends upon usage and care. Judge each aircraft on its own merrits.

There are Polly Fabric systems out there much older than this one at 30 years and they are still in fine condition.


As an aside, these airplanes don't seem to sell quickly, so who knows what the final selling prices are. I suspect they are substantially below the asking prices.

One consideration is IF this airplane is priced at rock bottom, you might look at it as a project. Strip, recover, upgrade to Continental. Of course, that's a $10k bill if you don't find anything wrong when you uncover it and if you do the work yourself.

Tire kicker, always can find a reason not to buy, a real buyer will try to find a reason to buy.
 
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The 0-145 has a bad reputation for having low power. I don't know anything about its parts or reliability. I see a lot of pre-war Chiefs on Barnstormers for under $20k, and those have Continentals. Unless this airplane is a steal, you might try finding one with a Continental and newer fabric. 30 years between coverings is a long time, even for a hangar queen.

Common belief is that fabric systems have a time life, simply isn't true. like any other thing I can think of it really depends upon usage and care. Judge each aircraft on its own merrits.

There are Polly Fabric systems out there much older than this one at 30 years and they are still in fine condition.

As an aside, these airplanes don't seem to sell quickly, so who knows what the final selling prices are. I suspect they are substantially below the asking prices.

One consideration is IF this airplane is priced at rock bottom, you might look at it as a project. Strip, recover, upgrade to Continental. Of course, that's a $10k bill if you don't find anything wrong when you uncover it and if you do the work yourself.

Tire kicker, always can find a reason not to buy, a real buyer will try to find a reason to buy.
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On a 30 year old covering job that's on an airframe that had *very* little value when it was recovered 30 years ago, I would be concerned with what's under the fabric as much as the covering itself.

And my apologies for the poor cut and paste quote. Couldn't figure out a better way to capture the entire thing.
 
I once did a prebuy on a Cub with a really nice fabric recover job. I was underneath it and took a punch awl and was able to punch through the longerons near the tail due to the corrosion.

But the fabric was very nice. :)
 
On a 30 year old covering job that's on an airframe that had *very* little value when it was recovered 30 years ago, I would be concerned with what's under the fabric as much as the covering itself.

covered 30 years ago, I'm surprised it doesn't have cotton and dope. Some one thought enough of the aircraft, to do a Poly Fiber (the best state of the art system in that day) system on it.

You can see every thing you need to see in the chief by looking at the rear fuselage. There are no hidden majic in these old aircraft.

If the paint isn't cracking, I'd go fly and have fun.
 
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I once did a prebuy on a Cub with a really nice fabric recover job. I was underneath it and took a punch awl and was able to punch through the longerons near the tail due to the corrosion.

But the fabric was very nice. :)

Common problem with old Piper rag and tube, thus the AD.

Piper did not place linseed oil in the tubes. or struts.

every champ and chief had it from day 1
 
Common problem with old Piper rag and tube, thus the AD.

Piper did not place linseed oil in the tubes. or struts.

every champ and chief had it from day 1

If it was repaired and Joe A&P didn't bother to put the oil back you could have problems. I rebuilt a 1966 7ECA that had the longerons replaced at one point and no linseed oil was put back.

A nice cover job doesn't make the plane.
 
If it was repaired and Joe A&P didn't bother to put the oil back you could have problems. I rebuilt a 1966 7ECA that had the longerons replaced at one point and no linseed oil was put back.

A nice cover job doesn't make the plane.

Send a pilot to buy an aircraft and they will buy paint and radios, send a mechanic to buy an aircraft and they will buy their 401K.


The buyer must know what they are looking at to buy any aircraft.
Do your home work, know all the faults of every aircraft you want to buy.

rag and tube is no different.

But a Champ or chief is about as simple as it gets.
 
The pre-war Chiefs are allegedly the fastest of the 2 seat Aeroncas. Beautiful airplane from a different era. I saw a beautiful red one at a fly-in south of Atlanta a few months ago. I'll probably try and buy one someday....

Fastest Aeronca?? We ARE talking about Aeroncas, right?? Isn't that like saying "nicest Chevette?" Fast is pretty relative with a Chief, I'd reckon.:D
 
Watch it Ron!!! You're already in line for an appointment with the nail polish!!! "Cause I know you would just LOVE it! :ihih:
Sharon, you took that all wrong. Being the somewhat smart man I will just keep my mouth shut know.
 
Stopped by the airport where this particular Chief is sitting today...

It's a bit of a squeeze for me to sit in this bird (the yoke bangs on my knees).

The useful load is like 340# (?)

The a/c fabric was actually in remarkable condition. I'm no A&P, but as a semi-mechanically literate type I could see some care had been applied to the cover job. No peeling, cracking, fading, or bubbles or loose spots. The bird was dirty from sitting in an older T-hangar (the kind that drop rusty dust on all top surfaces).

The tires looked decent and even the prop was in fine shape (not brand new, but clearly not used much).

The panel is pure simplicity -- Airspeed, needle/ball, altimeter, whiskey compass, and a HUGE RPM indicator in the center with some sort of engine oil temp deal on the left side. Heel brakes (ugh), bench seat, sliding plexiglas door window.

The front glass was in pretty good condition. One crack from the top was stop drilled about 2 inches down.

This looks like on simple, lightweight airplane!

I think even the reduced asking price is too much, though. I'll give her a call and see if she's willing to deal (my guess is she got the asking price from one guy on the field -- "Oh yeah, those things go for $15,0000 easy...")
 
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