GaryM
Pattern Altitude
That would be a net win for the US.Alberta should be the 51st state anyway. Maybe we could cut New Jersey loose so we can keep the flag the same.
That would be a net win for the US.Alberta should be the 51st state anyway. Maybe we could cut New Jersey loose so we can keep the flag the same.
So true. Finally, someone says something reasonable. It only took to Page 2 to get there.
Yes, I get ****ed off by words like "airman" as being exclusionary.
No, I don't let such words ruin my experience in aviation.
Yes, I think the FAA has more important changes it could make.
But yes, I appreciate an organization like the FAA making the effort. It does speak. Maybe not to you, but to others.
No, I don't think the change will solve anything in this generation. But it might help the next one.
Changing the way you use language is one of the easiest things a person can do to make a big difference to another person in a positive way. There are lots of problems in the world that are hard. Language is low-hanging fruit.
Yes, organizations like the 99's and WIA are of value. Because: you know that feeling of belonging and being understood by your peers? Male aviators have already got it, and we deserve it sometimes too.
Yes, men can come to 99's events.
Yes, I will get ****ed off if you refer to me as a "girl". (A girl is a child.)
No, I don't mind being asked about these things. In fact, I vastly prefer it to having people (especially a roomful of men) just assume they know.
Makes me wonder if any of the men here would work at the front of a restaurant (or have their sons work at the front of a restaurant) with a name tag that says "hostess".Very, very well articulated.
As others have said, my only gripe with changing terms is when it's done in nonsensical, superfluous, and/or blatantly patronizing ways. And even then, it's not like it actively affects my day-to-day besides being mildly annoying at times. It's the melodramatic outrage from either side about said low-hanging fruit, that cheapens the legitimate core issues. All this demeaning nonsense like "Oooh so you want me to call you a huWOMAN now?!?!!?" only makes people sound like petulant morons. Words mean things. If you're gonna be a condescending smartass about language, it helps to have a working knowledge of the etymology you're ridiculing.
Think about it, we don't even need to call them NOTAMs, as the need for these brevity codes is loooong since obsolete. Teletype is gone. If we're changing things, just call it a Flight Notice. Or rename it to NOTAC; Notice to Air Crew. Or make 'notam' a word in itself if people are really THAT attached to those two specific syllables. Whatever. People can't remember what these acronyms/brevity codes stand for half the time anyway, until someone has an opinion and must be proven wrong at all costs.
I'm also glad to see the FAA making an effort, even if the execution is somewhat lackluster IMHO. It's easy to be biased against, or ignorant to inclusivity when you're a man in a field that still happens to be dominated by men. That doesn't mean that those who want to adapt the vernacular are "entitled woke snowflakes(god, i hate that term)" that demand to be coddled. Notice that you don't see this phenomenon in woman-dominated fields. Can't imagine female restaurant staff getting ****y that men prefer to be called waiters instead of waitresses. (yes, I'm aware that the term "waiter" came first in the 1600s with "waitress" coming later in the 1800s. But it serves my point that so many gendered titles are historically male-dominated, that it's hard to find a proper example of the inverse).
Do I still use gendered language everyday? Yes, of course. It's the language I know, embedded into the trillions of neural pathways in my brain. But if someone approaches me with a reasonable cause to change a word or phrase I use, I'll at least make an effort. Amazing how angry people get when asked to make a tiny, completely inconsequential change to make others' days just a little nicer. Language is continuously evolving, which is why we aren't still communicating solely via grunts and screams. (For the most part anyway)
Sure. Yeah, right. Words mean something.
Actions speak much much louder
people can use all the “correct” words (du jour) you want. But it’s the person’s actions that really matter.
but continue to focus on style over substance
I thought the pronouns were supposed to be first person, third person, and possessive forms.Only if you were born with *its.
If my grandfather hadn't changed his name after he came over from Sweden, I would be Dick Hedberg.less if their last name is head.
Nothing prevents any individual from caring about both style AND substance.Sure. Yeah, right. Words mean something.
Actions speak much much louder
people can use all the “correct” words (du jour) you want. But it’s the person’s actions that really matter.
but continue to focus on style over substance
Will it get me more in tips?Makes me wonder if any of the men here would work at the front of a restaurant (or have their sons work at the front of a restaurant) with a name tag that says "hostess".
Yes, multiple kindsWill it get me more in tips?
Ooohhh. Then yes.Yes, multiple kinds
Correct, actions do matter. But not sure how I'm focusing on style over substance? Being more inclusive through language does a LOT to grease the wheels of much-needed societal/cultural change as well. Much harder to achieve true womens' equality, when so many men are still so averse to even acknowledging them via non-masculine titles.
Makes me wonder if any of the men here would work at the front of a restaurant (or have their sons work at the front of a restaurant) with a name tag that says "hostess".
Can I simply ask what true womens' equality is?
Makes me wonder if any of the men here would work at the front of a restaurant (or have their sons work at the front of a restaurant) with a name tag that says "hostess".
If you ask around, it is where women get all the climate controlled jobs, and men only get dirty manual labor jobs.
There are no more garbagemen. They are now sanitation engineers. Have been for years.I wonder how many women are fighting to be or wanting to change the term "garbageman." I would bet that number is minuscule to non-existent. but oh, if it's a "cool" job, it's time to start a march and a movement. Well, I got a movement for their march...
Will it get me more in tips?
There are no more garbagemen. They are now sanitation engineers. Have been for years.
idle thought: don't language like Spanish have words that are masculine and others that are feminine? is the woke mafia in Spain looking to change the Spanish language?
There are no more garbagemen. They are now sanitation engineers. Have been for years.
I can answer that one with one word.Can I simply ask what true womens' equality is?
There’s a urologist in town whose name is Richard Chopp. And, yes, he goes by Dick…If my grandfather hadn't changed his name after he came over from Sweden, I would be Dick Hedberg.
It is very dependent on who is answering the question and what they desire our society to look like.Can I simply ask what true womens' equality is?
So the whole conversation is a moo point.
So the whole conversation is a moo point.
“It’s like something a cow would say… nobody really cares.”I'm pretty sure there's something Freudian going on there, but I'm not brave enough to go after it.
Well, I'm not sure, but good for youI would. Wouldn't bother me in the least. I'd have fun with it. Been called worse.
Bet you didn't expect that response.
Well, I'm not sure, but good for you
Would you put "hostess" on your resume?
Does anyone take paper resumes anymore?I'd even dip my resume in perfume and print it on pink flowered paper if it gets me an interview.
Can I simply ask what true womens' equality is?
And? Somehow I think in still going to make it through my day. I agree some things are a bit much (no, I don’t need separate boxes for gender and sex). But this isn’t one of them.Apparently, NOTAMs are no longer "Notices to Airmen", but "Notices to Air Missions".
Well, I just think it comes down to which comes first, the chickens or the eggs/Serious question: can you describe how it ends “very badly” and for whom? I’m seriously not seeing it.
Your question made me think of this joke.Can I simply ask what true womens' equality is?
Funny you use that photo as the person on the right was charged today with stealing someone's luggage. They originally claimed it was a mistake, despite not having a checked bag on the flight.Well, I just think it comes down to which comes first, the chickens or the eggs/
Thanks for that image.Well, I just think it comes down to which comes first, the chickens or the eggs/
If you ask around, it is where women get all the climate controlled jobs, and men only get dirty manual labor jobs, only then will we be equal.
I wonder how many women are fighting to be or wanting to change the term "garbageman." I would bet that number is minuscule to non-existent. but oh, if it's a "cool" job, it's time to start a march and a movement. Well, I got a movement for their march...
It does seem that way, but then women usually complain about the pay gap between them and men and it goes on and on... I am curious what drummer thinks because I'd like to know what his arguments are based on.
OK - next serious question: how does changing a term to be less gender-specific and, to some, implying sexism, relate to transgender issues? Seems like grossly overextending the argument.Well, I just think it comes down to which comes first, the chickens or the eggs/