Fooling hobbs, logging full time

[Pinecone]

The oil-pressure fired Hobbs tracks flight time, the hours a pilot can record in his logbook and what the FBO might charge for the airplane. The squat-switch triggered Hobbs tracks air time, the hours that count against the engine, its components, the airframe, and ADs.

Not exactly. FAA says you can log from FIRST MOVEMENT for the purpose of flight. So while taxi time counts, sitting running the checklist, warming up the engine, loading your flight plan before you move is not.

Engine, components, airframe, 100 hour inspections, and most service requirements are based on tach time. Not air time.

 

[Dan Thomas]

Not exactly. FAA says you can log from FIRST MOVEMENT for the purpose of flight. So while taxi time counts, sitting running the checklist, warming up the engine, loading your flight plan before you move is not.

Engine, components, airframe, 100 hour inspections, and most service requirements are based on tach time. Not air time.

You are right about the first movement. It's the same here in Canada. But in Canada, the air time is the time the wheels are off the ground, and that means by the clock, not the tach. Small difference, I know.

 

[Bell206]

But in Canada, the air time is the time the wheels are off the ground, and that means by the clock, not the tach.

are based on tach time. Not air time.

It's the same here as well. Time-in-service (TIS) for maintenance requirements is defined as: "the time from the moment an aircraft leaves the surface of the earth until it touches it at the next point of landing." So without using a squat switch or watch, tach time is the most convenient to this definition given its calibration to flight RPMs.

 

[martym]

Engine, components, airframe, 100 hour inspections, and most service requirements are based on tach time. Not air time.

lol. As the man says, "not exactly"

 

[martym]

Don't have any experience in twins, does this sound right for your typical twin piston aircraft? At the time, I just nodded my head and tried to make my way out of the conversation.

No, he was either yanking your chain or he is really, really dum.

 

[Dan Thomas]

I mean I would use rudder trim and avoid the sore leg. I do not know if all twins have it but I would think a majority do.

Otherwise I would say plausible, particularly when ME time was coveted and expensive.

 

[jsignaigo91]

Yeah I hope this is fake. Makes it hard for everyone else.

 

[Dan Thomas]

Yeah I hope this is fake. Makes it hard for everyone else.

Unfortunately, it's probably real. I have heard these stories before. There are plenty of people eager to rip others off, and many will brag about it, mistakenly thinking they're getting admiration from those who suffer the consequences of their theft: the rest of us. There are also those that cheat the insurance companies, shoplifters, tax cheats, poachers, and so on. They drag us all down.

 

[azpilot]

They are not using tach Time?

Seems that charging hobbs time is also being crooked, so maybe you two deserve each other.

Everywhere that rents planes charges hobbs. The only place I have seen use tach are non profit clubs.