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You ain’t teaching them anymore, except to CFI applicants. So, how often do you practice a spin recovery?
Yep. There are a good number of CFIs who teach them to those who want (or are forced) to learn them.The flight school here that I used still requires spin and upset training for private pilots. It’s still being taught.
Yep. There are a good number of CFIs who teach them to those who want (or are forced) to learn them.
I agree it's probably few. Many modern aircraft are not certified for spins, and when they are, flight schools are reticent on taking a modern airplane with advanced avionics and tumbling them. Other schools are concerned with the opposite - older aircraft and concerns about structural integrity for the recovery. Then there are the instructors themselves. While all are spin-certified, not all are spin-competent and others simply don't like them and don't see the value.Just curious, have any data showing percentage of recent private applicants with basic spin training or schools that have it as part of the required curriculum? I’ve worked with students from all over the US and I have found that very few have ever experienced a spin before providing spin training to get the endorsement required for a flight instructor certificate.
As far as the OP’s question goes, I do them frequently as implied above. Even if I hadn’t done one for a while I wouldn’t be scared of it. I think this is more the product of being a proficient instructor and pilot rather than specifically going out and practicing spins and recoveries.
...So, how often do you practice a spin recovery?
Hopefully for your passengers that’s spin avoidance not recovery.Every single time I get into one. So far, at least...![]()
Glad I never trained with you guys.The flight school here that I used still requires spin and upset training for private pilots. It’s still being taught.
Yes I’m glad you didn’t either! It would really suck to have to learn advanced skills that may save your bacon one day.Glad I never trained with you guys.
That's probably what your instructor wants you to believe, but a wing dropping in a stall is not a spin (or even close to one).I got close to spinning the Skyhawk when I was doing a poorly-executed power on stall my second lesson. We talked about that. LOL
When everyone was teaching spins a number of folks crashed and died, far far more than crashed and died from actual spins. Usually if you get into a spin it's because you're low and slow either landing or taking off. Should you get into a spin in those situations all the skills in the world won't save your bacon, they're usually unrecoverable. But folks like you don't care, all you really care about are your own opinions. So I will stay well away from arrogant guys like you.Yes I’m glad you didn’t either! It would really suck to have to learn advanced skills that may save your bacon one day.
When everyone was teaching spins a number of folks crashed and died, far far more than crashed and died from actual spins. Usually if you get into a spin it's because you're low and slow either landing or taking off. Should you get into a spin in those situations all the skills in the world won't save your bacon, they're usually unrecoverable. But folks like you don't care, all you really care about are your own opinions. So I will stay well away from arrogant guys like you.
how many recovered because they were trained?When everyone was teaching spins a number of folks crashed and died, far far more than crashed and died from actual spins.
Applying prompt recovery procedures allows some of us to be alive to disagree with you.Usually if you get into a spin it's because you're low and slow either landing or taking off. Should you get into a spin in those situations all the skills in the world won't save your bacon, they're usually unrecoverable.
That's probably what your instructor wants you to believe, but a wing dropping in a stall is not a spin (or even close to one).
When everyone was teaching spins a number of folks crashed and died, far far more than crashed and died from actual spins. Usually if you get into a spin it's because you're low and slow either landing or taking off. Should you get into a spin in those situations all the skills in the world won't save your bacon, they're usually unrecoverable.
But folks like you don't care, all you really care about are your own opinions. So I will stay well away from arrogant guys like you.
One of the ways my aero CFI had me enter a spin was to do a slow simulated skidded turn to final, but at altitude. Once you do one of those, you know you'll never be able to recover from a real base to final spin.
When everyone was teaching spins a number of folks crashed and died, far far more than crashed and died from actual spins. Usually if you get into a spin it's because you're low and slow either landing or taking off. Should you get into a spin in those situations all the skills in the world won't save your bacon, they're usually unrecoverable. But folks like you don't care, all you really care about are your own opinions. So I will stay well away from arrogant guys like you.
Depends on the airplane. This type of spin entry snaps over pretty quickly and if you actually allow it to come around to one full turn, your exit attitude will be much more shallow than if you recover at a half turn or so, which will actually leave you in a somewhat inverted attitude. If you were in a J-3 Cub and let it come around and recovered on one full turn, you could recover before hitting the ground, assuming the runway isn't lined with tall trees. Of course, if you had the skill and awareness to do this, you would not have stalled/spun the thing at low alt in the first place.
Maybe. Maybe not. I had that happen with a student in a Skyhawk. It was definitely an incipient spin. I even saw in coming in advance.That's probably what your instructor wants you to believe, but a wing dropping in a stall is not a spin (or even close to one).
The arrogance is on both sides. A bit of unjustified, "I'm better than you and you are not a real pilot" because...When everyone was teaching spins a number of folks crashed and died, far far more than crashed and died from actual spins. Usually if you get into a spin it's because you're low and slow either landing or taking off. Should you get into a spin in those situations all the skills in the world won't save your bacon, they're usually unrecoverable. But folks like you don't care, all you really care about are your own opinions. So I will stay well away from arrogant guys like you.
I didn’t say anything like that, so I’m not sure how my comments have been construed to come off as being arrogant, because that I am not.The arrogance is on both sides. A bit of unjustified, "I'm better than you and you are not a real pilot" because...
though I've known some instructors with high spin skill who have had to recover an incipient spin condition in the pattern due to supremely clumsy inputs from their student. .
So why would any competent instructor allow such a condition to even happen?
I guess you've never done a spin before.
Lots of them. But you’re deflecting my question.
Are you even a CFI?
Me: You’re high...how about a slip?So why would any competent instructor allow such a condition to even happen?
Sometimes a CFI can tell what is going to happen. Sometimes not. I've had two trainees let the airplane go into an incipient spin, both at altitude. In one I saw it developing well in advance (and let it). In the other I didn't.So why would any competent instructor allow such a condition to even happen?
Nope but I could fly with you and show you how it could happen to clearly even a hero CFI such as yourself LOL
Sometimes a CFI can tell what is going to happen. Sometimes not. I've had two trainees let the airplane go into an incipient spin, both at altitude. In one I saw it developing well in advance (and let it). In the other I didn't.
I figured you weren’t just by the way you answer questions here.
I never claimed “hero” status as a CFI, but I am competent enough to realize just how far to let a student take something before it gets out of hand.
And I’ve taught spins as it was a prerequisite to the CFI, as well as teaching them in a variety of different aircraft such as cubs, champs, citabria/decathlon, etc.
Me: You’re high...how about a slip?
Students (had it happen twice...both instrument students): full left rudder, opposite aileron, pull back.
feel free to argue my competency.
Isn’t it funny when someone disagrees or fails to have the experience to back up their statements how they start throwing around adjectives about you?I never claimed “hero” status as a CFI, but I am competent enough to realize just how far to let a student take something before it gets out of hand.
If you don't think it can happen to a competent CFI, you're short on experience.