Coronavirus hysteria is hurting every one.

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I can’t understand the PC Police handwringing about what to call the virus. If they don’t want to say it like it is, chicom virus, what are we going to do about: Spanish flu, German measles and Ebola Zaire?
 
Well aware of the Spanish Flu. Affected the 20-30 age range as they did not have the historically acquired immunity. Sanitation was a joke. Different times/situation. But, Not what I was asking. But keep being afraid. That is what You are supposed to do, right?
No, what I am supposed to do is speak the truth and act prudently.
 
Well aware of the Spanish Flu. Affected the 20-30 age range as they did not have the historically acquired immunity. Sanitation was a joke. Different times/situation. But, Not what I was asking. But keep being afraid. That is what You are supposed to do, right?

Just came out a world war 1, most food was rationed, highly processed and canned. It was winter too. Why do so many people get sick in winter? It has to be a multitude of variables but why not start with something simple, vitamin D deficiency perhaps?
 
In today's WSJ, there is an editorial basically saying a shutdown can't last for long.

Economic pressure will build quickly for an alternate way to deal with the China virus. I bet Fauci will be "fired" in a matter of weeks. We'll see.
 
This was an email I received; I know, take what you read in passed on emails with a grain of salt.

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this with others who don’t understand... It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot. Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1)
(birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off. Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..


H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too. Fast forward. Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in
1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu. Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...


And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next. Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now. #flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on. ??
 
I strongly believe this is nature’s way of reclaiming what she has has lost to human junk
 
This was an email I received; I know, take what you read in passed on emails with a grain of salt.

My wife got the same exact email two days ago from a friend (a nusre) who took credit for writing it. :rolleyes:
 
I think you give the average human too much credit. It might be a slower ramp but eventually people will be back to their ways.

I agree except there will be differences in one form or another. If nothing else, some companies will go belly up while others will in some way thrive. Something like this can’t occur without change of some sort. People will go back to their old habits like you say, but there will indeed be change of some sort.
 
You don’t have to have people going in and hoarding 20 packages of TP to deplete their stock. All it takes is everyone going in and buying 1 package of TP. You prevent a run on stock by always being prepared to hunker down for a few weeks at a time. Most don’t do that so you have the inevitable panic buying that we have now. Predicable.
Yep. Because the nearest Costco is over 50 miles away, I've been stocking up on paper supplies ever since I moved here. Toilet paper, paper towels, paper plates, some nonperishable foodstuffs, for each I always have at least a 2 months' supply. Ditto meds, though I get them at CVS not Costco, but that's still >15 miles away. Perishables, obviously can't do that and I don't have MREs. So I'm only partially prepared to hunker down, but in a better position than most people.
 
The "increase" is from more testing being done. Of course it will increase, and many being tested are asymptomatic.

If a test was mandated for everyone to test for something like herpes, then we would see an "explosion" of herpes cases in the country, and then cries of "pandemic".
Where are asymptomatic people being tested? At least here (VT), you have to be either seriously symptomatic to be tested, with symptoms that point strongly to COVID-19, or else have a history of exposure to someone who has tested positive, or of travel to one of the hotspots.
 
I talked to a couple docs about this possibility. They indicated that it is HIGHLY unlikely. If there are were numerous unexplained illnesses, hospitalizations, and likely deaths, the strain would have been identified.

I meant to reply to the thought that this had been circulating for many months...
I tend to agree... however, I read this morning in an article linked to from the AAAS forum, that in northern Italy (I think it was) there was an outbreak of a strange form of pneumonia, very similar to COVID-19, as early as last November, well before the first case was identified in China. Very possibly it was a different virus, but the coincidence is striking.

Edit: went back to the AAAS forum to try to find the link and couldn't... so maybe I saw this somewhere else.
 
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I can’t understand the PC Police handwringing about what to call the virus. If they don’t want to say it like it is, chicom virus, what are we going to do about: Spanish flu, German measles and Ebola Zaire?
I don't care what they call it. The problem is that it seems as if people are using the term, instead of it's scientific name, in order to make it clear where they stand in the culture wars. Trolling, perhaps. Sad that people still want to divide our country.
 
This was an email I received; I know, take what you read in passed on emails with a grain of salt.

Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this with others who don’t understand... It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics.

Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot. Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1)
(birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off. Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be..


H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too. Fast forward. Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery”

This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it.

And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs..

That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine.

We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in
1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu. Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation...


And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next. Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now. #flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on. ??

an early mutation before some immunity would be of concern to me.
 
I can’t understand the PC Police handwringing about what to call the virus. If they don’t want to say it like it is, chicom virus, what are we going to do about: Spanish flu, German measles and Ebola Zaire?
It has an accurate and easy to remember name that is in common use in the scientific community. You can choose to call it by that name and everyone will know what you're talking about and no one be the least bit offended. Or you can choose to call it by a name that anyone of even reasonable intelligence would know some folks might find to be insensitive or offensive. Free country, totally up to you. If you're in the second group, why would you be the least bit concerned about what people in the first group might say? Unless of course, you were just doing it to get attention?
 
Well aware of the Spanish Flu. Affected the 20-30 age range as they did not have the historically acquired immunity. Sanitation was a joke. Different times/situation. But, Not what I was asking. But keep being afraid. That is what You are supposed to do, right?
Be cautious, at the very least. Learn the math related to spreading. Use your noggin. Don't endanger anyone.
Fun fact: more of your genome is made up of cells from past viral invasions than is made up of Neanderthal.
 
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As I stated in another post, I’m pretty sure my SO came down with this at the end of January. It wasn’t like the flu and it wasn’t like a cold. She was just real fatigued and it was all in her chest/lungs.
That describes me during the third week in February. Severe fatigue, chest congestion, coughing like crazy, short of breath from minor exertion. Only low-grade fever though. However, COVID-19 wasn't on the radar here then, and instead I was tested for influenza. Came back positive for Type A.

The moral is: unless she was tested, you have no way of knowing for sure.
 
You could test negative today, and catch it tomorrow, SO do not test until you have it.
 
The moral is: unless she was tested, you have no way of knowing for sure.
Definitely true. But it’s weird that she’d had clients that had traveled abroad and then to become sick without really experiencing the normal symptoms of a cold or flu just puzzles me.
 
I can’t understand the PC Police handwringing about what to call the virus. If they don’t want to say it like it is, chicom virus, what are we going to do about: Spanish flu, German measles and Ebola Zaire?
There are actually many versions of ebola, each identified by the geographical area it was discovered. However, the current use of “chinese virus” was first used many, many weeks after it was identified as another variety of the category of corona virus.
 
It has an accurate and easy to remember name that is in common use in the scientific community. You can choose to call it by that name and everyone will know what you're talking about and no one be the least bit offended. Or you can choose to call it by a name that anyone of even reasonable intelligence would know some folks might find to be insensitive or offensive. Free country, totally up to you. If you're in the second group, why would you be the least bit concerned about what people in the first group might say? Unless of course, you were just doing it to get attention?

Oh, I see. Insensitive or offensive to a regime that has officially threatened to weaponize not only the virus but also curtail availability of pharmaceuticals whose manufacturing we shortsightedly ceded. It will rapidly be clear that China’s governmental misreporting of essential virus data is irresponsible and malign. My post refers to PC circle discussions and Wuhan Virus is as accurate, easy to remember and more descriptive. Sounds like you’re solidly in the first group. Or were you just doing it to ride the high road?
 
It will rapidly be clear that China’s governmental misreporting of essential virus data is irresponsible and malign.
Isn’t it amazing that after booting out our media from their country they’re now reporting zero new infections.
 
We tried that once, along with a points reputation system. It was an utter failure because it was weaponized by a few troublemakers.
Perhaps it was the points reputation system at fault, and not the "dislike" button. Often times it would be much more polite to push the "dislike" than to make a critical post to an obviously negative statement. I think we should try it again (just the "dislike" option.
 
Isn’t it amazing that after booting out our media from their country they’re now reporting zero new infections.

Thats what I've said. Now that it is an international pandemic, China is suddenly healed. I'm not buying it.

First they tried to bury the story. They imprisoned the doctor that initially brought it to light. He later died of the viurs...allegedly.
Then they tried to say its not contagious, and has been contained.
Next they try to say Trump had the US Army plant the virus in China.
Now they say ta-da, all better!
 
You could test negative today, and catch it tomorrow, SO do not test until you have it.
But you also don’t know you have it until you test for it. Catch 22. If you are one of the asymptomatic carriers, you could spread it around to hundreds without knowing at all. Do you want your UberEats driver to be a carrier and deliver dozens of meals every day all across your town? Or the local pastor who is visiting shut ins to check on their well-being.
 
Oh, I see. Insensitive or offensive to a regime that has officially threatened to weaponize not only the virus but also curtail availability of pharmaceuticals whose manufacturing we shortsightedly ceded.
It weaponizes nothing. Like I said its a free country. You're absolutely free to use any term you choose. I'm absolutely free to think you're a person of some class or a fully seaworthy douche canoe depending on which you choose. Freedom is really cool that way.
 
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