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If you consider the carbon footprint required to manufacture an aircraft then I am way ahead by flying one that is 70 years old.
 
1RTK1 said:
I also feel in the future our energy needs will be taken care of through new, better and clean technologies.
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Ah yes, the technologies that all the coal-loving yeehaws are trying to cut funding for and stop being implemented. Where exactly do you see these technologies coming from, magic technology fairies?
 
Katamarino said:
Ah yes, the technologies that all the coal-loving yeehaws are trying to cut funding for and stop being implemented. Where exactly do you see these technologies coming from, magic technology fairies?
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Like any other profitable tech, they show up in the marketplace when they are more efficient and cost effective than what was done before, or have a significant real benefit for today’s users.

Plenty of places around here in the mountains where stuff like solar actually is the most cost effective solution, we even have friends who live in such a house full time.

But in places where the government lets the power company run lines all over without paying a dime to the property owners, the fiscal game is rigged. And rigged in the direction the vast majority want.

“Right of way” is big money. Some of the biggest worth given away for free of anything in our society. Most of us can’t even build near our own property lines anywhere in the US, as we would be encroaching on the utility easement.
 
Cooter said:
Folks can believe what they want to about GW, just don’t “shove it down my throat”. If people want to stop taking showers and believe that toilet paper is destroying the world, we’ll ok.....have at it. But don’t involve me in the delusion.

I don’t want to keep people from thinking they’re making a difference, live and let live. But it never stops there. I can’t even get a get a decent gas can anymore, that’s annoying.

Edit: gas can
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I wonder if it’s legal to sell gas can lids without the can that work (non-compliant) and fit compliant modern cans. Someone could make good money doing that.
 
Salty said:
I wonder if it’s legal to sell gas can lids without the can that work (non-compliant) and fit compliant modern cans. Someone could make good money doing that.
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I think they changed the thread on them so they specifically wouldn't fit. Luckily during the Saga of the Drunk Neighbor, I acquired around 10 or so old school gas cans.
 
EdFred said:
I think they changed the thread on them so they specifically wouldn't fit. Luckily during the Saga of the Drunk Neighbor, I acquired around 10 or so old school gas cans.
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I’m saying manufacture lids that fit.
 
Oh, I remember the issue. The new cans don't have the vent holes in them so you have to make your own vent kit. But there's youtube videos showing how to do that.

Someone's already doing it:

https://gasspouts.com/
 
YouTube California Earth Movers I think it is. Its insane the quantities of fuel housing developers are blowing just for gross dirt work.
 
I have a great deal of trouble understanding global warming. Why is the United States, which has some of the strictest air quality regulations of any industrialized nation, continually held responsible for global warming? Why do we not hear about China, India, etc.? Is there any measure of contribution to global warming vs. productivity and industrial output. By those standards I would speculate the U.S. may be among the least polluting nations on earth. Just saying.:rolleyes:
 
Archer Jack said:
I have a great deal of trouble understanding global warming. Why is the United States, which has some of the strictest air quality regulations of any industrialized nation, continually held responsible for global warming? Why do we not hear about China, India, etc.? Is there any measure of contribution to global warming vs. productivity and industrial output. By those standards I would speculate the U.S. may be among the least polluting nations on earth. Just saying.:rolleyes:
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Archer Jack said:
I have a great deal of trouble understanding global warming. Why is the United States, which has some of the strictest air quality regulations of any industrialized nation, continually held responsible for global warming? Why do we not hear about China, India, etc.? Is there any measure of contribution to global warming vs. productivity and industrial output. By those standards I would speculate the U.S. may be among the least polluting nations on earth. Just saying.:rolleyes:
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Goverment Controlling the sheep

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Archer Jack said:
I have a great deal of trouble understanding global warming. Why is the United States, which has some of the strictest air quality regulations of any industrialized nation, continually held responsible for global warming? Why do we not hear about China, India, etc.? Is there any measure of contribution to global warming vs. productivity and industrial output. By those standards I would speculate the U.S. may be among the least polluting nations on earth. Just saying.:rolleyes:
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If you really want to get mad concerning "USA vs. everyone" and emissions, watch the documentary about the VW diesel scandal.
 
Archer Jack said:
I have a great deal of trouble understanding global warming. Why is the United States, which has some of the strictest air quality regulations of any industrialized nation, continually held responsible for global warming? Why do we not hear about China, India, etc.? Is there any measure of contribution to global warming vs. productivity and industrial output. By those standards I would speculate the U.S. may be among the least polluting nations on earth. Just saying.:rolleyes:
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I don’t see how you are arriving at that conclusion...

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019...re-of-global-co2-emissions-changes-over-time/
 
weilke said:
At the risk of being labeled as 'anti tree' and 'anti science', thats the kind of 'solution' grad students come up with. That tree planting study forgot about some minor issues like global fresh water supply, the role of water vapor and the fact that we also need to supply 6 billion people with protein and calories. Maybe it works if we all switch to tofurkey and kill all the cows and piggies so they stop farting away the ozone layer.

None of this is easy.
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Well, for one thing you make a false straw man argument as if it were either plant trees, or killing all cows and piggies.

The water required is a good point. I don’t know the specifics, you wouldn’t be planting trees in he desert, but currently we are losing tree growth by development at a huge rate, losing. The scientists themselves were surprised at the rate that trees could help with the problem.
 
EdFred said:
I am not a creationist. The earth is 4 billionish years old. Just keep avoiding the question like everyone else. Is that some sort of code to adhere to? Cant answer the question, so redirect redirect redirect.

Because here's how every conversation I try to have goes:

The earth is getting too warm!

Hasn't it been warmer prior to humans existing?

Yes.

OK, so why is the temperature taken in the 1800's supposed to be the baseline?

Well, because it just is.

Really? That's your answer.

Well, no, but the rate of change is too much!

So going back pre ice cores, how do we know this rate of change hasn't happened before? You want to take a 150 year sample out of 4 billion years of geologic history and say that it's never happened when it is impossible to measure time scales so short over a couple billion years?

"..."

Oh, so you can't...got it.
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I believe the science is pretty clear though, this is not natural it is the result of man and our processes.

But ok, even if you refuse to believe that I’ve never understood the folks who are saying “hey, it’s all natural”. For one thing a key you mane “before humans existing”...that doesn’t trigger any thoughts as to humans not existing because it was not possible for humans to exist in those conditions?

It’s like you are a miner, trapped in a cave in, with limited oxygen, and half the miners insist on continuing working as if all was normal, which of course is using up oxygen at a much higher rate then resting. The argument they use is “this is natural, when there is a cave-in, of the oxygen is limited, has always been so”

I prefer that when in a hole, stop digging.
 
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