Nose Baggage Temps - Lance

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I wanted to see just how hot the nose baggage compartment on the PA32 gets.

I noted that when I take baggage out it is, understandably warm. But grabbing a warm suitcase doesn't mean much, so I threw a temperature logger in and thought I'd put some values to exactly what this means.

That said, mine's a Turbo, so just in front of the firewall, there's a 1,000+ degree spinning fan there that the non-turbo planes don't have.

I left Santa Ynez on Sunday morning, and the luggage was loaded about the time the chart begins. I was airborne by sample #12. Climbing directly to 7,000. LAX vectored me around stuff I couldn't see, and had me climb to 9,000 (errr.... Flight Level 090? Haha).

I landed in San Diego about the time of sample #72. It was loaded into the truck shortly thereafter.

All in all, I was a little surprised. Thought the temp logger would show higher numbers than it did. I know this will be a little warmer in the summer time.

Enjoy the data.
 

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I have a fridge who’s 24 eggs cooked in the nose locker of a down up down t-toga....:(
 
Interesting.

Pillows and a booster seat usually go in our Turbo Lance nose baggage. They come out warm. Interesting to see the temps. Thanks for sharing!
 
Underwear would go perfect in there for that "just out of the dryer" feeling. :)
 
Looks like temps were still increasing. Maybe try it on a longer flight.
 
I love data, that's cool stuff! Thanks for sharing
 
Good to see numbers.

I was flying a Lance when it was way too cold outside, and when I retracted the gear the hydraulic fluid was thick enough that it wouldn’t trigger the “up” switch (pressure switch, IIRC). About 45 minutes into the flight I realized that the hydraulic reservoir was in the nose baggage area, so I tried the gear again. Came right up.
 
I wanted to see just how hot the nose baggage compartment on the PA32 gets.

I noted that when I take baggage out it is, understandably warm. But grabbing a warm suitcase doesn't mean much, so I threw a temperature logger in and thought I'd put some values to exactly what this means.

That said, mine's a Turbo, so just in front of the firewall, there's a 1,000+ degree spinning fan there that the non-turbo planes don't have.

I left Santa Ynez on Sunday morning, and the luggage was loaded about the time the chart begins. I was airborne by sample #12. Climbing directly to 7,000. LAX vectored me around stuff I couldn't see, and had me climb to 9,000 (errr.... Flight Level 090? Haha).

I landed in San Diego about the time of sample #72. It was loaded into the truck shortly thereafter.

All in all, I was a little surprised. Thought the temp logger would show higher numbers than it did. I know this will be a little warmer in the summer time.

Enjoy the data.

Do it again sometime and keep track of the OAT to get a perspective. Just curious, it looks like you went IFR. Do you remember what route, I’m assuming it was a TEC one, did you get? And about where did they send you up to 9000?
 
I filed, and got: RZS v597 MZB. 7,000 feet. It's a pretty simple route.

I flew the rwy 26 obstacle departure, and reaching 5000, they turned me direct RZS.

Not far after crossing RZS, they turned me to 140, and I flew that for a few mins, before being cleared to FIM. Then cleared direct to VNY. During my flight on the 140 vector I was asked to climb to 8000 and eventually 9000. After VNY I was anticipating lots more redirect and shortcuts, but actually got nothing else added. Proceeded to VNY, DARTS, SLI, all according to plan.

Just before reaching Oceanside, I asked for direct HAILE to set me up for the VOR-A approach at SDM. Again, got a turn to 140 before being allowed HAILE, due to jumpers.

Outside air temp, I recall, was around +20c most of the way.
 
I filed, and got: RZS v597 MZB. 7,000 feet. It's a pretty simple route.

I flew the rwy 26 obstacle departure, and reaching 5000, they turned me direct RZS.

Not far after crossing RZS, they turned me to 140, and I flew that for a few mins, before being cleared to FIM. Then cleared direct to VNY. During my flight on the 140 vector I was asked to climb to 8000 and eventually 9000. After VNY I was anticipating lots more redirect and shortcuts, but actually got nothing else added. Proceeded to VNY, DARTS, SLI, all according to plan.

Just before reaching Oceanside, I asked for direct HAILE to set me up for the VOR-A approach at SDM. Again, got a turn to 140 before being allowed HAILE, due to jumpers.

Outside air temp, I recall, was around +20c most of the way.

Were you ever talking to Los Angeles Center?
 
Yes. Started at Santa Barbara, then Los Angeles, then SoCal. Can't remember where the handoff points were, but I'm pretty sure I talked on no fewer than ten ATC frequencies on this short trip.
 
Side bar.......


What MP/rpm have you been using? Mine has become fond of 2450 and 29” LOP for best Econ. 10.4 gpm last flight. Will run 163kts 2550 and 30” but the fuel flow is eye watering.
 
I wanted to see just how hot the nose baggage compartment on the PA32 gets.

I noted that when I take baggage out it is, understandably warm. But grabbing a warm suitcase doesn't mean much, so I threw a temperature logger in and thought I'd put some values to exactly what this means.

That said, mine's a Turbo, so just in front of the firewall, there's a 1,000+ degree spinning fan there that the non-turbo planes don't have.

I left Santa Ynez on Sunday morning, and the luggage was loaded about the time the chart begins. I was airborne by sample #12. Climbing directly to 7,000. LAX vectored me around stuff I couldn't see, and had me climb to 9,000 (errr.... Flight Level 090? Haha).

I landed in San Diego about the time of sample #72. It was loaded into the truck shortly thereafter.

All in all, I was a little surprised. Thought the temp logger would show higher numbers than it did. I know this will be a little warmer in the summer time.

Enjoy the data.

Is that data in degrees F or degrees C?
 
The data is F.

Had it been 60deg C on the ground at Santa Ynez, the world would have been melting.

You never know :) I'm a visualization snob..no unit of measure on that graph so..had to be "that guy". Yes..."that guy" is in quotes because I said it.
 
Interesting stuff. I have the 260 and my usual leg is 2.5 hours at an altitude up to 9000'. I have had some bags feel a little warm but other than that, not thought much about it until now. I too get 10.4 mpg at MGW. Admittingly though it's 65% at 130kts.
 
I'm not surprised they took you to 9000'. SoCal does not like you at 7000' through that corridor.
 
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