float rating check ride no medical?

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I've seen that you cant usually rent float planes solo, but can I take a SES check ride without a current medical? I have a SEL but I don't currently have a medical...I'm going through the appeals process right now to get my 3rd class med back and id like to do a float course if possible in the mean time.

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While the FAA doesn't outright prohibit it, they strongly discourages examiners from doing so. You'll have to discuss it with whoever is going to do your ride.
 
No. You must have a current medical or Basic Med because you are PIC during a practical test. Even if the float plane was light sport, your medical status is a problem.

There are not many SES examiners, finding one that will accept PIC status on a ride will be like finding a needle in a hay stack.
 
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(3) Must hold at least a third-class medical certificate—

(i) When exercising the privileges of a private pilot certificate, recreational pilot certificate, or student pilot certificate, except when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in §61.113(i);

(ii) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate and acting as the pilot in command or as a required flightcrew member, except when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in §61.113(i);

(iii) When taking a practical test in an aircraft for a recreational pilot, private pilot, commercial pilot, or airline transport pilot certificate, or for a flight instructor certificate, except when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in §61.113(i); or



113 refers to sport pilot and refers back to 23(c)(3) which allows basic med.

So 3rd class or basic med for check rides unless sport pilot and LSA


Why the medical required? Because the examiner is considered a passenger and you are ACTING as PIC which means currency, medical, etc...

61.63 Additional Aircraft Rating
(c)(2) Must pass the practical test.

Also
61.39 Prerequisites for practical tests.
(4) Hold at least a third-class medical certificate, if a medical certificate is required;

Since not LSA/light sport a medical center is required.
 
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(3) Must hold at least a third-class medical certificate—

(i) When exercising the privileges of a private pilot certificate, recreational pilot certificate, or student pilot certificate, except when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in §61.113(i);

(ii) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate and acting as the pilot in command or as a required flightcrew member, except when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in §61.113(i);

(iii) When taking a practical test in an aircraft for a recreational pilot, private pilot, commercial pilot, or airline transport pilot certificate, or for a flight instructor certificate, except when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in §61.113(i); or



113 refers to sport pilot and refers back to 23(c)(3) which allows basic med.

So 3rd class or basic med for check rides unless sport pilot and LSA


Why the medical required? Because the examiner is considered a passenger and you are ACTING as PIC which means currency, medical, etc...

Except he not taking a practical test for a recreational, private, commercial, or ATP certificate. He already has a private with SEL. He is adding a SES class rating to his private certificate.

61.47 (b) The examiner is not the pilot in command of the aircraft during the practical test unless the examiner agrees to act in that capacity for the flight or for a portion of the flight by prior arrangement with:

(1) The applicant; or

(2) A person who would otherwise act as pilot in command of the flight or for a portion of the flight.
 
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(iii) When taking a practical test in an aircraft for a recreational pilot, private pilot, commercial pilot, or airline transport pilot certificate, or for a flight instructor certificate, except when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in §61.113(i); o
He's not doing any of those things. He's adding a rating, not taking a test for a certificate.


Why the medical required? Because the examiner is considered a passenger and you are ACTING as PIC which means currency, medical, etc...
Again, there's nothing that bars the examiner from acting as PIC. The FAA discourages it, but doesn't outright prohibit it.
 
Aren’t there LSA Float Planes? If so, I would assume one could act as PIC in such a plane, obtain the SES Rating and then exercise Sport Pilot privileges in LSA Float Planes.

I’m sure I be told where I’m wrong since I’m not any type of expert in the nuances of the FAR and have no real desire to become one in this area. Last time I asked the FAA a question about Ultralights, I got five different answers from three different FAA Sources:D

Cheers
 
There are light sport seaplanes. The problem is that it appears he has been denied a medical which bars him from medical-less sport pilot flying.
 
There are light sport seaplanes. The problem is that it appears he has been denied a medical which bars him from medical-less sport pilot flying.

I missed that parto_O. Would my scenario apply if it was merely expired and not denied?

Cheers
 
While the FAA doesn't outright prohibit it, they strongly discourages examiners from doing so. You'll have to discuss it with whoever is going to do your ride.

You'd be wrong on that one.

FAA Order 8900.1, Vol 5, Chapter 1, Section 4, para 5-80:

PREREQUISITES FOR PRACTICAL TESTS. To be eligible for a practical test, an applicant must meet the following prerequisites:

B. Medical Certificate Requirements. An applicant for a practical test, except for practical tests involving a test for a glider or a balloon rating that require no medical certificate, must have at least a third-class medical certificate.
 
Furthermore, look at FAA Order 8900.2
Section 2. Conduct Practical Test/Certification Functions

"Prerequisites for Practical Test:

b. Medical Certificate. If any portion of the practical test is being performed in an aircraft, an applicant for original issuance of an airman certificate or a rating to be added to an existing certificate (except for a glider category rating or a balloon class rating) must hold at least a third-class medical certificate. Airman operating under BasicMed in lieu of possessing a valid third-class medical certificate must provide for inspection a valid U.S. driver’s license as well as a current certificate of completion from an authorized BasicMed medical education course, and the aircraft and operating limitations must comply with § 61.113(i). An applicant for an original issuance, renewal, or reinstatement of a flight instructor certificate is not required to hold a medical certificate; however, the designee must be the PIC for such practical tests and for this reason may choose not to administer the test. Balloon and glider applicants are no longer required to certify their medical qualification on FAA Form 8710-1 to be PIC for a practical test. An applicant for sport pilot or sport pilot instructor certificate must hold at least a third-class airman medical certificate or a valid U.S. driver’s license.
Note: An airman operating under BasicMed in lieu of possessing a valid third-class medical certificate must provide for inspection a valid U.S. driver’s license as well as a current certificate of completion from an authorized BasicMed medical education course, and the aircraft and operating limitations must comply with § 61.113(i). A DPE may not ask the applicant to provide for inspection the Comprehensive Medical Examination Checklist (CMEC), even though the CMEC itself is readily available in the pilot’s logbook. While the applicant is required to retain this document, the applicant is not required to provide this document to determine eligibility for the practical test due to the private medical information contained therein. If the CMEC is offered to the DPE by the applicant, the DPE may not review the document. The DPE may however ask the airman to describe how he or she is eligible to act as PIC under BasicMed.
 
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