Well it was a good (almost) 10 years.

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You can use it anywhere a physical address is required: FAA, state drivers licenses, etc


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He's said he doesn't have a problem with the gub'ment knowing where he lives or when he's flying. What he has a problem with is me knowing where he lives and when he's flying. Obviously I can't be trusted enough to have access to that kind of info.
 
Think disabling ADSB or better yet not installing one would have been another choice ?
 
You know plate readers are tracking where you drive your car. Might want to consider a bicycle instead.

We had license plates on our bicycles in Davis, CA back in the late 1950s. I'm sure they still have them today.
 
You can use it anywhere a physical address is required: FAA, state drivers licenses, etc.
At least in Texas, a basic forwarder is not sufficient for a company (LLC or corporation). A registered agent is required, who is willing to sign 401-A for you. Well, I'm sure businesses exist that do that, just not the one you linked.
 
I don't want anyone who might see me flying what *they* think is too low/too dangerous too whatever looking me up and going bat **** crazy for whatever reason because they have some homemade ADS-B antenna.

So let me get this right. The worst possible thing that could happen to you for a low flying violation would be that the FAA could suspend your ticket for 90 days. To avoid that possibility, you choose not to fly at all.

You do know that you can maintain some anonymity towards the casual observer by owning the plane through a trust or LLC ? Your nosy hobbyist would see 'Wells Fargo Bank N.A. SLC Trustee'. Sure, with subpoenas and a PI, the crazy hobbyist would be able to track down the actual owner, but for your primary fear of someone knowing that you happen to fly over their house, a trust registration would work
 
I agree in principal w/ the OP.. but maybe not to the same degree. The alternative? SkyBeacon... and turn off your nav lights when you want to be out of the system.
 
You do know that you can maintain some anonymity towards the casual observer by owning the plane through a trust or LLC ? Your nosy hobbyist would see 'Wells Fargo Bank N.A. SLC Trustee'.
This reminds me that people used to ask if I flew for Wells Fargo.
 
Who knew there was so much paranoia in aviation? If someone is smart enough to use ADS-B Exchange, then they are smart enough to use another method to figure out when you aren't home, and rob or rape you then. Well, they probably won't rape you in your home if you aren't home, but you get the idea.
 
My point is that if someone wants to track you down, they can.

Just as a network of ADS-B out monitors have been set up to track planes, there's nothing to prevent private citizens from setting up a network of plate readers to track and follow license plates. Law enforcement does this already to find stolen vehicles, delinquent ticket payers, etc., but there's nothing to prevent you from setting up a camera and publishing what you see.

The difference is in the ease of doing it, and it's not really comparable. If the government mandated that all cars had to have a radio transmitter broadcasting their speed, plate number, and position for a 50 mile radius then your analogy might work.

Even if private citizens decided to set up this plate reader system (which would be several orders of magnitude more difficult due to the millions of cameras that would be needed, the processing for the optical recognition etc), do you honestly think it would last any time at all before causing massive outcry and being shut down by the government due to privacy issues? It would also need to be paired with a government supplied database of every licence plate with the owner's name and address.

The two are not comparable at all.
 
Are y'all trying to chase EdFred away, or is there some point to all of this?
We all know he’s right to be upset and there’s nothing we can do about it. But it is sort of cutting off your nose to spite your face. He’s giving up a freedom completely because a part of it was taken away. That’ll show em!

I think all of us want to do SOMETHING about this, but most aren’t giving up flying just because there’s a facet that sucks.
 
That Ed, he’s such a curmudgeon.
 
So let me get this right. The worst possible thing that could happen to you for a low flying violation would be that the FAA could suspend your ticket for 90 days. To avoid that possibility, you choose not to fly at all.
I suspect there is more to the story than what he's revealing. Obviously he doesn't want to say what that is and he doesn't have to. But 'I'm so ****ed at the gub'ment that I'm selling the damn'd plane' is well, to be blunt, crazy talk. And I don't think he's crazy.



Are y'all trying to chase EdFred away, or is there some point to all of this?
Who started the thread? He did. Who stated their reason for selling in that thread? He did. If he didn't want it discussed or commented on, there was an EXTREMELY simple option available to him.
 
Someone ought to call aeromedical and drop a dime on a mentally unstable man holding a medical certificate...
 
You know plate readers are tracking where you drive your car. Might want to consider a bicycle instead.

@Brad Z Not here in New York City! Hah! Quote below from the New York Times:

On April 6, something known as the GPS rollover, a cousin to the dreaded Y2K bug, mostly came and went, as businesses and government agencies around the world heeded warnings and made software or hardware updates in advance.

But in New York, something went wrong — and city officials seem to not want anyone to know.

At 7:59 p.m. E.D.T. on Saturday, the New York City Wireless Network, or NYCWiN, went dark, waylaying numerous city tasks and functions, including the collection and transmission of information from some Police Department license plate readers.

The shutdown also interrupted the ability of the Department of Transportation to program traffic lights, and prevented agencies such as the sanitation and parks departments from staying connected with far-flung offices and work sites.

The culprit was a long-anticipated calendar reset of the centralized Global Positioning System, which connects to devices and computer networks around the world.

There has been no public disclosure that NYCWiN, a $500 million network built for the city by Northrop Grumman, was offline and remains so, even as workers are trying to restore it.

City officials tried to play down the shutdown when first asked about it on Monday, speaking of it as if it were a routine maintenance issue “The city is in the process of upgrading some components of our private wireless network,” Stephanie Raphael, a spokeswoman for the Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications, said in an email on Monday. She referred to the glitch as a “brief software installation period.”

By Tuesday, the agency acknowledged the network shutdown, but said in an emailed statement that “no critical public safety systems are affected.”

Ms. Raphael admitted that technicians have been unable to get the network back up and running, adding, “We’re working overtime to update the network and bring all of it back online.”

The problem has raised questions about whether the city had taken appropriate measures to prepare the network for the GPS rollover.

Ms. Raphael did not respond to questions about what the city had done to prepare for the rollover; she said that the city pays $37 million a year to Northrop Grumman to maintain and operate NYCWiN. A Northrop Grumman spokesman referred all questions to the city.

“If the city’s paying $40 million a year to maintain software infrastructure, first, when it goes down, the Council and the public should know about it,” said Councilman Brad Lander of Brooklyn, who learned about the shutdown when he was told of it by The New York Times.

“And two, if it’s mission critical, then it should be clear: the effort to get it up and running, and account for those things that are lost.”

Mr. Lander, who sits on the City Council’s technology committee, said that the committee might hold a hearing to look into the cause of the shutdown and how it was handled.

Many computerized systems use the Global Positioning System as a timekeeper because it is convenient and easy to connect to, according to a Department of Homeland Security advisory about the reset posted on the agency’s website.

Approximately every 20 years, the GPS needs to reset the way it keeps track of weeks, and Saturday, April 6, was the date selected for the most recent reset. The reset also came with an improvement in timekeeping that means the next rollover will not be needed for about 157 years.

According to Homeland Security, which first issued a notice about the rollover a year ago, newer systems were considered to be safe but older equipment might need updates to software or hardware.

Ms. Raphael would not provide a list of agencies that use the system.

But a Department of Information Technology and Telecommunications alert that went out on Saturday showed that 38 Police Department license plate readers had gone down. The city maintains a system of license plate readers mounted at fixed locations and on patrol cars, which it uses to scan license plates. That has helped it in routine crime fighting, such as finding stolen vehicles, and its antiterrorism work.

Phil Walzak, a police spokesman, said the department had hundreds of license plate readers, most of which did not rely on the NYCWiN system. He said that patrol cars with readers mounted on them were stationed at key locations affected by the shutdown and that “the N.Y.P.D. has not experienced disruption to operations, investigations or services.”

Saturday’s alert also reported that 12,389 traffic-signal controllers were down. According to the information technology agency’s website, the Transportation Department’s Traffic Management Center uses the network “to centrally monitor and wirelessly program traffic patterns during rush hours, special events and emergencies.”

While traffic signals continued to operate normally, a city official who was not authorized to speak publicly about the shutdown and asked not to be named, said that there was concern that as they remained disconnected, the timing of individual signals could drift slightly and they could eventually come out of sync with one another.

Laura Anglin, the deputy mayor for operations who is responsible for the information technology agency, refused to answer questions about it on Wednesday afternoon as she entered City Hall.

Asked if the city had taken the necessary steps to prepare for the GPS rollover, she said, “Talk to the press office.”


The disruption also affected the transportation department’s Real Time Traffic Information webpage, where people can look at the video feeds from hundreds of cameras posted around the city. The webpageshowed that many cameras were not working on Wednesday.

The alert indicated there were also disruptions to the city payroll system, known as CityTime, and systems used by the departments of health, sanitation and parks.

The wireless network was intended to fill a gap in the ability of city agencies to communicate with one another and get access to information, a problem that was exposed during the 2001 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, when police and fire department officials could not talk to one another because their radios used different frequencies.

The network began operating in 2008, but it quickly drew criticism for being underused and failing to live up to its promise.

Incompetent Dolts!
 
One might argue that we’re the insane ones, dropping the kind of money we do to keep our old flivers in the air...

Yeah, I take a look at other items I have on the list and note that I could accomplish ALL of them pretty easily financially if it weren't for aviation.
 
Well to be fair he's flight instructing now, and you don't need a medical for that so.....;):D

People keep going to the freedom angle, but he specifically said he's still going flying, so that doesn't really apply.

I joked about the gear AD and he said it wasn't that (mx costs), meaning it wasn't eating him out of house and home. But he also said he's got access to airplanes, and still intends to fly. My guess is, having subsidized access to airplanes via the CFI gig made the sole ownership thing less attractive on the cost and yearly use front. Not the first nor the last CFI to approach their clientele as a de facto non-equity partnership with "first right of refusal" access to airplanes for essentially just gas money. Skipping the ADSB quipping mandate costs was probably just a twofer. But I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
 
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How do we even know his name is Ed? If he doesnt want his personal life out there, do you think he would sign up with his real name? Maybe he is a Greg, or a Jeff?
 
So,worried about knowing whether your home or not. Must be a load of gold, or dead hookers you want hidden.
I have to figure he has a big pile guns, ammunition and gold in that house. What other legal things do you get all that paranoid about?
 
Yes, it sucks, but there is a compromised path...

Keep your 978 UAT Mode C Transponder
Install a corresponding ADS-B out with 1200 anonymous mode capability
Transfer plane to LLC to shield personal info from casual lookie-loos.​

Limitations -- sub 18K altitude only. Canada and Mexico are out. Flight services expose N-number, but not personal info.

Ed has stated that he overflies Canada and thus needs 1090.

I will admit, I'm a bit annoyed that I didn't think to keep the GTX 327 in the plane when we got the GTX 345. Plenty of planes have dual transponders, so nothing wrong with one that squawks everything and one that's only mode C, right?

I can't imagine the uproar if auto plates were treated this way.

From the government perspective, they kind of are. There are plenty of plate readers out there, and they know where you live...

Not where I live and work they aren't. I'm outside of any city limits, and I know for a fact there are no cameras where I am 99+% of the time.

Hah! There, you're wrong. There are cameras EVERYWHERE.

I’m just curious about the need to share the details of the decision to sell.

It's Ed. Drama is a standard feature. ;)

With this market right now, if there was ever a time to get out, it's now!

And here might be part of the motivation. Ed sold his first plane (a Cherokee 180) in early 2008. Later that year, the market tanked, and the following year he bought the Comanche 250, IIRC for a lot less money than he brought in with the sale of the Cherokee. It's not a bad way to make a pretty nice chunk of change, if you can stand being without an airplane for a couple of years.

So, in a couple of years, after the market tanks again, @SCCutler will be sending links to @EdFred and he'll come here to announce his purchase of a 1955 C310. Or a 1964 King Air 90...

I can't help but notice Ed didn't say he sold an airplane, he said he filled out a bill of sale.

I have suspicions...

Congratulations @el con on your new Comanche! :D

In case anyone is interested, I'm at home.

Me too... But all my money is tied up in my airplane! :eek: It's probably worse that people know I'm *not* flying than they know I am flying!
 
I have to figure he has a big pile guns, ammunition and gold in that house. What other legal things do you get all that paranoid about?
Paranoia is a common thing in these parts. I know quite a few who are armed to the teeth because they're pretty sure bad hombre's or the gub'ment or both are going to come storming through their door hell bent on killing them for sport at any moment. Not sure what causes it but I see it a lot. I think its something in the water.
 
I guess I'll be one of the few dissenting voices speaking up in defense of EdFred, even though I'm a relative newcomer to this forum. An expectation of privacy, and to not have your day-to-day activities monitored by a governmental body, does not necessarily indicate fear of being "caught" doing something wrong.. it just means you have an expectation of privacy and do not wish to be monitored by a government. Parents monitor their children for their children's safety and to help the parents stay abreast of what their children are doing so that the parents can continue to help shape and form their children's behavoir and skills so that they grow into productive, responsible, kind human beings. By the time we become responsible adults, many of us no longer wish to be monitored, as we ARE productive, responsible adults who now have a right to live private lives. There is nothing nefarious about it. It's just insulting to some of us that we are constantly being "overseen" by a governing body. Yes, I've nothing to hide, and the vast majority of us will probably never experience a real-world example of harm coming to us personally because of government surveillance or overreach, but that doesn't mean we should continue to give up increasing amounts of our privacy and freedom to move about without being tracked. It's not paranoia in the least.
 
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