The Sad Decline in the Caliber of Craigslist Sellers

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I'm in the market for a winter rat. For you Southerners, that's an older car one drives in the winter to spare the newer car the trauma.

If possible, I'd also like my winter rat to be a First-Generation Kia Sportage, simply because I've always liked that quirky little car. I also know a lot about them mechanically because I kept one on the road for four years doing most of my own maintenance, even after I no longer needed it. I only sold it because someone I knew was down on their luck and hard up for a car. The old Sportages were also great in the snow. So it would be a combination winter rat and hobby car.

I've bought and sold many cars on Craigslist over the years, mainly Kias and Saturns (my other favorite hobby cars). I've actually lost count of how many cars I've bought and sold on Craigslist. But never before have I encountered so many clueless and/or rude Craigslist sellers.

I drove about 212 miles yesterday to look at a car that I wound up not being able to buy because the owner had disconnected the battery, which prevented me from testing for codes. I don't think he was trying to scam anyone. I think he honestly didn't know how the OBD2 system worked. But it still prevented me from pulling codes.

Another seller in Allentown refused to answer some very basic questions about the car and send me a couple of additional pictures I'd requested. It was "too much work," he said in response to my email.

A third seller somewhere in Connecticut hasn't answered my phone call. His car's been listed for 29 days. You'd think he'd be eager to sell it.

A fourth seller simply told me he's not going to answer any questions about the car. "It's just a car," he said. "What's there to talk about?" He also sounded stoned.

A fifth didn't know whether their car was the RWD or 4WD model. I asked them how many shift levers there were, and they said four. (There could only be one or two, for RWD and 4WD respectively.) I asked what was on the tailgate door and they said the license plate and the spare tire.

A sixth swore that their 2002 Sportage was FWD. (There were no FWD Sportages in the First Generation.)

I'm pretty much through looking for an old Sportage. Apparently either the car or Craigslist attracts idiots. Unless the guy from Connecticut eventually calls back before I buy something else, I give up.

Rich
 
I gave Craigslist a try a few times about 10 years ago. I was amazed then at the kind of people I got put in touch with. If they have gotten even worse since then, it must now truly be a wasteland of humanity.
 
It's unfortunate that many sellers don't know their vehicles. But at some point in the vehicle's depreciation cycle, it becomes "just a piece of transportation" and the car has been sold 3 or 4 times to a person who treats it as something to take them from A to B, with no desire to know much about it other than turning the key makes it start.

Eventually you'll find someone who will know about their vehicle. It'll take time, but maybe buying from someone like that will reduce the amount of work (or at the very least, the amount of "discovery") you'll have to do on the vehicle.
 
I think for the most part, a whole lot bigger % of the younger driving folks don't give two ****s about cars. If they look ok and go that's all they want to know.
 
I'm ashamed to admit I don't know which (of 3 possible) engines that my wife's Edge has in it. I know it's not the 4 cylinder Turbo ... but I guess I'm still mentally stuck in the "small block chevy vs 289 Ford and big block chevy vs 409 cobra jet" ...
 
I've had good luck both buying and selling on Craigslist. Just takes a while to sift the wheat from the chaff.

Jetski bought and sold. Boat and trailer bought. Trailer sold. Trailer bought. Boat trim tabs sold. Truck tonneau cover sold. Etc.
 
That one made me Lol.
I once had a customer call me about a transmission for their blue Honda. In a snarky mood I made the mistake of losing the sale by responding I was out of stock of blue Honda transmissions but had some for red Honda's.

His response was, "oh, that's too bad. I keep looking elsewhere"
 
What....to good for Uber?o_O
 
Have you tried Facebook Marketplaces?
 
I’ve had good luck on C-list, but I live in a big city. I don’t think you can be all that picky on C-list. There are lots of cars besides Kias that drive well in the snow.
 
I've been using Craigslist for... about 15 years now. I'm not sure that the average buyer or seller has really gotten any better or worse over that time period. I've had good and bad of both, and I always have.

The thing I like about CraigsList is that nothing about it has changed in those 15 years.

eBay... I hate that thing now.
 
I've been using Craigslist for... about 15 years now. I'm not sure that the average buyer or seller has really gotten any better or worse over that time period. I've had good and bad of both, and I always have.

The thing I like about CraigsList is that nothing about it has changed in those 15 years.

eBay... I hate that thing now.
Between the Cobra and the AMG, I think you are in a different target market and/or serve a different clientele than 1st gen Kia Sportage buyers and sellers. ;)
 
Between the Cobra and the AMG, I think you are in a different target market and/or serve a different clientele than 1st gen Kia Sportage buyers and sellers. ;)

You might be surprised. My first vehicle purchase on there was a 1984 Kawasaki KZ700 with over 100k miles on it, purchased for $400 in NYC on CL. Guy was nice enough but didn't know what a choke was. Said it wouldn't start once it was cold. Pull the choke, started right up. I've sold cheap $1k cars on there, and found my wife's 2009 Mercedes GL550 on there as well (that was at a dealer that was advertising on CL). That was advertised as a $19k car, so not super expensive but not exactly cheap.

I've purchased a lot more vehicles on eBay than CraigsList, but I have done both. Oh, and the semi came from CL.

I do use Facebook marketplace more these days. It's better set up for fewer scams and the format works better.
 
I once had a customer call me about a transmission for their blue Honda. In a snarky mood I made the mistake of losing the sale by responding I was out of stock of blue Honda transmissions but had some for red Honda's.

His response was, "oh, that's too bad. I keep looking elsewhere"

That is just too funny..!!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
I'm in the market for a winter rat. For you Southerners, that's an older car one drives in the winter to spare the newer car the trauma.

If possible, I'd also like my winter rat to be a First-Generation Kia Sportage, simply because I've always liked that quirky little car. I also know a lot about them mechanically because I kept one on the road for four years doing most of my own maintenance, even after I no longer needed it. I only sold it because someone I knew was down on their luck and hard up for a car. The old Sportages were also great in the snow. So it would be a combination winter rat and hobby car.

I've bought and sold many cars on Craigslist over the years, mainly Kias and Saturns (my other favorite hobby cars). I've actually lost count of how many cars I've bought and sold on Craigslist. But never before have I encountered so many clueless and/or rude Craigslist sellers.

I drove about 212 miles yesterday to look at a car that I wound up not being able to buy because the owner had disconnected the battery, which prevented me from testing for codes. I don't think he was trying to scam anyone. I think he honestly didn't know how the OBD2 system worked. But it still prevented me from pulling codes.

Another seller in Allentown refused to answer some very basic questions about the car and send me a couple of additional pictures I'd requested. It was "too much work," he said in response to my email.

A third seller somewhere in Connecticut hasn't answered my phone call. His car's been listed for 29 days. You'd think he'd be eager to sell it.

A fourth seller simply told me he's not going to answer any questions about the car. "It's just a car," he said. "What's there to talk about?" He also sounded stoned.

A fifth didn't know whether their car was the RWD or 4WD model. I asked them how many shift levers there were, and they said four. (There could only be one or two, for RWD and 4WD respectively.) I asked what was on the tailgate door and they said the license plate and the spare tire.

A sixth swore that their 2002 Sportage was FWD. (There were no FWD Sportages in the First Generation.)

I'm pretty much through looking for an old Sportage. Apparently either the car or Craigslist attracts idiots. Unless the guy from Connecticut eventually calls back before I buy something else, I give up.

Rich

Why am I recalling some conversations I’ve had with airplane brokers
 
In New England ,we call that a beater. As for Craig’s list takes a lot of patience.
 
In New England ,we call that a beater. As for Craig’s list takes a lot of patience.

I was searching my email for something yesterday and the search terms pulled up a handful of conversations I had three or four years ago with buyers (or people that emailed in response to something I was selling; 'buyers' they were not) on Craigslist.

I apparently had less patience then. I said some rude things in response to their silly questions and silly offers.

Shockingly, in rereading the conversations, many of them pushed on, undeterred. One was a broker that in spite of my having specifically stated in the ad that I did not want to retain the services of a broker, plus having checked the "don't contact this seller with commercial offers" box with Craigslist, proceeded to give me his full sales pitch.

After one polite, "thanks, but no", he moved on to a more aggressive pitch, which moved my response up to a pretty aggressive level, and he even responded to that with more attempts. I get trying to make a buck... But how many people are wooed into listing with a broker through sheer annoyance with said broker?
 
I was searching my email for something yesterday and the search terms pulled up a handful of conversations I had three or four years ago with buyers (or people that emailed in response to something I was selling; 'buyers' they were not) on Craigslist.

I apparently had less patience then. I said some rude things in response to their silly questions and silly offers.

Shockingly, in rereading the conversations, many of them pushed on, undeterred. One was a broker that in spite of my having specifically stated in the ad that I did not want to retain the services of a broker, plus having checked the "don't contact this seller with commercial offers" box with Craigslist, proceeded to give me his full sales pitch.

After one polite, "thanks, but no", he moved on to a more aggressive pitch, which moved my response up to a pretty aggressive level, and he even responded to that with more attempts. I get trying to make a buck... But how many people are wooed into listing with a broker through sheer annoyance with said broker?

It’s always amazed me how brokers will try to interject themselves. It must work sometimes, but I’ve even seen them claim they’re a buyers agent when they aren’t in airplane sales. Then when confronted they make the sales pitch. Who on earth would go for that is beyond me.
 
It's unfortunate that many sellers don't know their vehicles. But at some point in the vehicle's depreciation cycle, it becomes "just a piece of transportation"...

Let’s be honest, for a Kia Sportage that day happens when it leaves the factory on its way to the dealer.

I don’t think the OP's issue is so much about Craigslist people generally as much as it is about people selling 25 year old kias. Not exactly a magnet for serious car enthusiasts.
 
Let’s be honest, for a Kia Sportage that day happens when it leaves the factory on its way to the dealer.

I don’t think the OP's issue is so much about Craigslist people generally as much as it is about people selling 25 year old kias. Not exactly a magnet for serious car enthusiasts.

It has a small, but devoted fan base.

Rich
 
Not exactly a magnet for serious car enthusiasts.
This. ^

Early Kias and Saturns are about the least desirable cars on the planet. Which makes them a good winter rat.
First time I drove a Saturn, new from the dealer's lot, I was shocked that the engineers and marketing guys would release a car with such poor driving dynamics to the public. Do I have anything good to say about a Saturn? Sure: It drives better than a Model T. Barely.

Last year, I sold two older Chevy pick-ups on Craigslist. The 1967-1972 series is now becoming somewhat classic, and values are starting to climb.
I sold them a few months apart. Every caller had intelligent questions, and I gave them intelligent answers.
First one was sold to the 2nd guy that came to look at it. The first guy that looked at the other had cash with him, and he drove it home.

Sold a Jeep a couple years ago. Talk about knowledgeable buyers- Jeep guys know their stuff! Lotsa calls, had a few guys look before it sold, but every one knew Jeeps well. The only guy who was new to Jeeps (he bought it) brought a friend with him for a thorough inspection.

I don't think the crowd that cruises Craigslist has changed. You're shopping for cars owned by people who don't care about cars.
 
This. ^

Early Kias and Saturns are about the least desirable cars on the planet. Which makes them a good winter rat.
First time I drove a Saturn, new from the dealer's lot, I was shocked that the engineers and marketing guys would release a car with such poor driving dynamics to the public. Do I have anything good to say about a Saturn? Sure: It drives better than a Model T. Barely.

Last year, I sold two older Chevy pick-ups on Craigslist. The 1967-1972 series is now becoming somewhat classic, and values are starting to climb.
I sold them a few months apart. Every caller had intelligent questions, and I gave them intelligent answers.
First one was sold to the 2nd guy that came to look at it. The first guy that looked at the other had cash with him, and he drove it home.

Sold a Jeep a couple years ago. Talk about knowledgeable buyers- Jeep guys know their stuff! Lotsa calls, had a few guys look before it sold, but every one knew Jeeps well. The only guy who was new to Jeeps (he bought it) brought a friend with him for a thorough inspection.

I don't think the crowd that cruises Craigslist has changed. You're shopping for cars owned by people who don't care about cars.

There's definitely a lot to be said for the quality and desirability of what you're selling and the types of buyers you get.

More niche market and higher end, you'll get more interest. Even if it's higher miles, if it's well cared for, you'll get good buyers. True for anything.
 
Rich, would you have any interest to expand the area and maybe head down to the Washington DC area for a vehicle? Maybe take the train? If so, maybe that opens up some of the 1st Gen Kia Sportage options for you, like this one:

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/cto/d/2000-kia-sportage-4x4/6670315105.html

I might. But right now I'm burned out. I don't remember ever coming across so many sellers who don't want to talk to potential buyers. When I've sold stuff on Craigslist I've always bent over backwards to accommodate potential buyers.

Speaking of which, here's another annoying thing: Sellers who list email as a contact method, but who don't check their email. I emailed one guy who had a car that would have been suitable (a Ford Escape, by the way). After about a week, I called him. The ad was still up, but he'd already sold the car. (Which is another annoyance, by the way: When you sell the car, take the frigging ad down.) When I told him I'd emailed him about it a week prior, his answer was, "Oh, I'm not big on email. I never bother checking it." Why the hell put email down as a contact method if you never check it?

Right behind them are the ones who refuse to communicate by any method other than text messages. I mean, seriously. How do you do business using only text messages?

I've been looking at other cars besides Sportages, by the way, so this isn't just a Sportage thing. I keep encountering people who seem to think they're doing you a favor by taking your money for helping them get rid of their junk.

I think I'll just start looking for signs on cars parked in people's lawns. Or just put the money back in the credit union and forget about it for now.

Rich
 
It has a small, but devoted fan base.

Rich

I 100% believe you but as you point out, that fan base is small. The bulk of the Kia owner base are not enthusiasts. You’re dealing with the middle of the bell curve simply by virtue of statistics.
 
I 100% believe you but as you point out, that fan base is small. The bulk of the Kia owner base are not enthusiasts. You’re dealing with the middle of the bell curve simply by virtue of statistics.

I'm sure that's true. But as with Saturn enthusiasts, those who are fans of those cars know almost as much about them as the engineers who designed them. Of course, in Saturn's case, it's a necessity because the company no longer exists. But some of the former engineers, factory workers, and dealership mechanics do hang out on the Saturn forums to give expert advice.

Rich
 
I bought a car earlier this year. Tried CL first. What I realized is that most of those ads are from small time dealers or flippers. They avoid the listing fee by posting it as a private seller. Most of them drive the car into a neighborhood to take photos. With the recent floods here in Houston one has to be very careful or they'll end up with a flood car.
 
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