Information about Amelia Earhart's location.

FloridaPilot said:
And that my friend is what is wrong with society today
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Correct. A corrupt Oligarchy and "two-Party" politicos are a considerable problem. It doesn't appear possible for 500 or so people to adequately "represent" millions, either.

Great time to defund at the Federal level and hold that revenue at the lowest level possible. That way at least you have a chance of knowing the idiot liar who says they "represent" your interests.

Won't happen because there's literally no way to force a group that small owned by billionaire donors to relinquish their ability to spend without collecting, but you're absolutely right. They're a problem.
 
Clark1961 said:
Ummmm, ya know who you are asking?
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I have seen handsome men and think to myself, that is a handsome man. I am not attracted to men at all, but I do compare. Same as my wife will see a pretty lady and say the same thing. Then she will turn to me and ask, "Do you think she is prettier than me..??" At that time I pray to be struck by lightning or hit by a meteor....

mscard88 said:
:eek: you really are on some good shet aren't ya?
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Top of the hour and I get to take the good pill.....then....:rollercoaster:
 
Zeldman said:
I my wife will see a pretty lady and say the same thing. Then she will turn to me and ask, "Do you think she is prettier than me..??"
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Why do they do that.
Guess they're trying to catch us off guard so they can stab us or go buy diamond something.
 
Zeldman said:
I have seen handsome men and think to myself, that is a handsome man. I am not attracted to men at all, but I do compare. Same as my wife will see a pretty lady and say the same thing. Then she will turn to me and ask, "Do you think she is prettier than me..??" At that time I pray to be struck by lightning or hit by a meteor....



Top of the hour and I get to take the good pill.....then....:rollercoaster:
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My wife points out other attractive women to me all the time but never asks for a comparison. So I'll take a brief look and then turn back to her and continue talking about whatever we were talking about beforehand.
 
Palmpilot said:
By itself, the photo seems like poor evidence. However, the video linked in the other thread says that residents of the area were telling the same story decades ago, including the name of the ship in the photo. That lends it more credence, IMO.
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Hi, palmpilot, new member here, Amelias electra would have ditched under power. She would not run out of gas and dead stick in.. So her plane would float for long time with empty tanks and minimal damage ( ditching at about 80 knots into calm seas ) her polished silver plane would reflect sunlight like nobodys business in daylight hours. Those reflections would have enabled the searchers to locate her within a reasonable amount of time i would certainly think. So i don't think she landed anywhere near the crashed and sank location that is generally accepted.
 
TIGERFISH said:
Hi, palmpilot, new member here, Amelias electra would have ditched under power. She would not run out of gas and dead stick in.. So her plane would float for long time with empty tanks and minimal damage ( ditching at about 80 knots into calm seas ) her polished silver plane would reflect sunlight like nobodys business in daylight hours. Those reflections would have enabled the searchers to locate her within a reasonable amount of time i would certainly think. So i don't think she landed anywhere near the crashed and sank location that is generally accepted.
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Regarding whether she ditched under power. You're guessing. My guess would be that she knew she was close to land and exhausted her fuel searching for the island. Can't finish a 'round the world trip if you take the airplane swimming...

Regarding whether her plane would have floated. Amelia wasn't known for being a great stick and rudder pilot. Depending on how smoothly she ditched, her plane could have floated for hours or could have sank like a stone if she mismanaged the landing and tore the airplane up.

Regarding her "polished Electra". The airplane was natural aluminum and had been subject to the rigors of two attempted around the world flights, so it was likely to have been tarnished by that time. Tarnished aluminum is not a great reflector. Beyond that, what are the chances it had even been washed at any time during her unsuccessful 'round the world attempt?

My belief is she went down within a hundred or so miles of Howland. Why? The radio transmissions. My belief is also that the plane sank before any searchers arrived on scene. The aerial search didn't occur until over a week after the airplane went down, and Earhart and Noonan either came to a bad end during that week or the abbreviated aerial search missed them.

And then, there are the theories about the Japanese that I discount because of the strong signal strength reported by the Itasca. She was nowhere near Japanese held islands at that time.
 
jnmeade said:
Nauticos, the deep sea exploration company of David W Jourdan, (not associated in any way with TIGHAR) went out in 2002 and again in 2006 and is set to go out again in 2017. The next expedition will explore the small area not searched in the first two explorations and will revisit a couple of sonar findings from the first two explorations. The search used a number of different approaches to determining the most likely ditching site, as related in the book "The Deep Sea Quest For Amelia Earhart" by David W. Jourdan. I heard the news of the 2017 sailing just this last Monday from one of the members of the Rockwell Collins Radio Club which analyzed radio signal reports using the exact same models of Collins radio equipment and recommended certain areas as most likely to be the ditching site. Other approaches by experts in other disciplines were developed and all the findings were overlaid to try to find the area most likely to be the resting site. This area was searched in 2002 and 2006 except for a small area with negative results.

Jourdan found the DAKAR, Israeli submarine lost in 10,000 feet of water and wrote about it in "The Search and Discovery of Israel's Lost Submarine DAKAR". I have no knowledge of the DAKAR search, but sat in on at least three presentations by people who were on the first two Nauticos expeditions searching for Earhart and found the discussion very interesting.
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Hello, jnmeade,

Hi, new member here, Amelias electra would have ditched under power. She would not run out of gas and dead stick in.. So her plane would float for long time with empty tanks and minimal damage ( ditching at about 80 knots into calm seas ) her polished silver plane would reflect sunlight like nobodys business in daylight hours. Those reflections would have enabled the searchers to locate her within a reasonable amount of time i would certainly think. So i don't think she landed anywhere near the crashed and sank location that is generally accepted.
 
Pinch hitting... for Pedro Borbon... Manny Mota... Mota... Mota...
 
kyleb said:
Regarding whether she ditched under power. You're guessing. My guess would be that she knew she was close to land and exhausted her fuel searching for the island. Can't finish a 'round the world trip if you take the airplane swimming...

Regarding whether her plane would have floated. Amelia wasn't known for being a great stick and rudder pilot. Depending on how smoothly she ditched, her plane could have floated for hours or could have sank like a stone if she mismanaged the landing and tore the airplane up.

Regarding her "polished Electra". The airplane was natural aluminum and had been subject to the rigors of two attempted around the world flights, so it was likely to have been tarnished by that time. Tarnished aluminum is not a great reflector. Beyond that, what are the chances it had even been washed at any time during her unsuccessful 'round the world attempt?

My belief is she went down within a hundred or so miles of Howland. Why? The radio transmissions. My belief is also that the plane sank before any searchers arrived on scene. The aerial search didn't occur until over a week after the airplane went down, and Earhart and Noonan either came to a bad end during that week or the abbreviated aerial search missed them.

And then, there are the theories about the Japanese that I discount because of the strong signal strength reported by the Itasca. She was nowhere near Japanese held islands at that time.
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hello,kyleb, thanks for fast response, here is a resource to examine,

Amelia Earhart's Crash Reconstruction
https://www.niar.wichita.edu/.../AmeliaEarhartsCrashReconstruction/tabid/.../Default.as
whether or not Amelia Earhart would have survived ditching her aircraft in the Pacific. Activities included the development of a finite element model of the Lockheed Electra and the simulation of the ditching event using ALE techniques.

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TIGERFISH said:
Hi, palmpilot, new member here, Amelias electra would have ditched under power. She would not run out of gas and dead stick in.. So her plane would float for long time with empty tanks and minimal damage ( ditching at about 80 knots into calm seas ) her polished silver plane would reflect sunlight like nobodys business in daylight hours. Those reflections would have enabled the searchers to locate her within a reasonable amount of time i would certainly think. So i don't think she landed anywhere near the crashed and sank location that is generally accepted.
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FYI, there's no need to post the same identical message to four different people. We can all read your posts, regardless of who you're replying to.
 
Palmpilot said:
FYI, there's no need to post the same identical message to four different people. We can all read your posts, regardless of who you're replying to.
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Hi Palmpilot,

Amelias electra would have ditched under power. She would not run out of gas and dead stick in.. So her plane would float for long time with empty tanks and minimal damage ( ditching at about 80 knots into calm seas ) her polished silver plane would reflect sunlight like nobodys business in daylight hours. Those reflections would have enabled the searchers to locate her within a reasonable amount of time i would certainly think. So i don't think she landed anywhere near the crashed and sank location that is generally accepted.
 
Palmpilot said:
FYI, there's no need to post the same identical message to four different people. We can all read your posts, regardless of who you're replying to.
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Ok,got it, here is new info just dug up on google.
AMELIAS DITCHING SCENARIOS.. http://www.engr.utexas.edu/features/6730-ameliaearhart

Led by aerospace engineering senior, Vishnu Jyothindran, the students will conduct a flotation analysis that examines two scenarios under the assumption her plane landed in the ocean. The first is a center of gravity study that assumes she was able to safely land the plane in the ocean by flaring the plane, a technique used by pilots to gently land an aircraft by pointing its nose upwards before touch down. The students will try to determine how far the plane would glide before sinking and then how far it would float at sea, assuming the natural half-mile drift of the ocean.

The second scenario, which Thompson says is more probable, assumes that she wouldn't have had the strength and time to flare the plane, especially given that fuel tanks would be nearly empty and all the plane’s weight would be at its front, causing it to fly at a downward, slanted angle. If the plane went down in this manner, Thompson said it would have flipped violently and broken up on impact.
 
TIGERFISH said:
Hi, palmpilot, new member here, Amelias electra would have ditched under power. She would not run out of gas and dead stick in.. So her plane would float for long time with empty tanks and minimal damage ( ditching at about 80 knots into calm seas ) her polished silver plane would reflect sunlight like nobodys business in daylight hours. Those reflections would have enabled the searchers to locate her within a reasonable amount of time i would certainly think. So i don't think she landed anywhere near the crashed and sank location that is generally accepted.
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So you think she would not run out of gas but you also think her plane would float because of empty tanks. Makes sense to me!
 
SkyDog58 said:
So you think she would not run out of gas but you also think her plane would float because of empty tanks. Makes sense to me!
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Here it comes...

"Hi, SkyDog58, new member here, Amelias electra would have ditched under power. She would not run out of gas and dead stick in.. So her plane would float for long time with empty tanks and minimal damage ( ditching at about 80 knots into calm seas ) her polished silver plane would reflect sunlight like nobodys business in daylight hours. Those reflections would have enabled the searchers to locate her within a reasonable amount of time i would certainly think. So i don't think she landed anywhere near the crashed and sank location that is generally accepted."
 
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kyleb said:
Regarding whether she ditched under power. You're guessing. My guess would be that she knew she was close to land and exhausted her fuel searching for the island. Can't finish a 'round the world trip if you take the airplane swimming...

Regarding whether her plane would have floated. Amelia wasn't known for being a great stick and rudder pilot. Depending on how smoothly she ditched, her plane could have floated for hours or could have sank like a stone if she mismanaged the landing and tore the airplane up.

Regarding her "polished Electra". The airplane was natural aluminum and had been subject to the rigors of two attempted around the world flights, so it was likely to have been tarnished by that time. Tarnished aluminum is not a great reflector. Beyond that, what are the chances it had even been washed at any time during her unsuccessful 'round the world attempt?

My belief is she went down within a hundred or so miles of Howland. Why? The radio transmissions. My belief is also that the plane sank before any searchers arrived on scene. The aerial search didn't occur until over a




















































week after the airplane went down, and Earhart and Noonan either came to a bad end during that week or the abbreviated aerial search missed them.

And then, there are the theories about the Japanese that I discount because of the strong signal strength reported by the Itasca. She was nowhere near Japanese held islands at that time.
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Hello kyleb, just found this pre(last) flight photo looks pretty polished to me.
 
SkyDog58 said:
So you think she would not run out of gas but you also think her plane would float because of empty tanks. Makes sense to me!
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Hello SkyDog, Amelia would not run here tanks to empty and then attempt a dead stick landing in the ocean.. She would leave enough fuel to ditch with engines under power. This means the electra would be doing about 80 knots upon touchdown giving her a good shot at surviving the landing.
 
If only she had dumped fuel prior to ditching. She would have been lighter and could have extended her range.

(Sorry, PB reference. Ain't gonna explain it, but it was hilarious!!)
 
kyleb said:
Regarding whether she ditched under power. You're guessing. My guess would be that she knew she was close to land and exhausted her fuel searching for the island. Can't finish a 'round the world trip if you take the airplane swimming...

Regarding whether her plane would have floated. Amelia wasn't known for being a great stick and rudder pilot. Depending on how smoothly she ditched, her plane could have floated for hours or could have sank like a stone if she mismanaged the landing and tore the airplane up.

Regarding her "polished Electra". The airplane was natural aluminum and had been subject to the rigors of two attempted around the world flights, so it was likely to have been tarnished by that time. Tarnished aluminum is not a great reflector. Beyond that, what are the chances it had even been washed at any time during her unsuccessful 'round the world attempt?

My belief is she went down within a hundred or so miles of Howland. Why? The radio transmissions. My belief is also that the plane sank before any searchers arrived on scene. The aerial search didn't occur until over a week after the airplane went down, and Earhart and Noonan either came to a bad end during that week or the abbreviated aerial search missed them.

And then, there are the theories about the Japanese that I discount because of the strong signal strength reported by the Itasca. She was nowhere near Japanese held islands at that time.
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Hello kyle, found another photo can compare two. first, Amelia Earhart with her Electra 10E, NR16020, at Lockheed Aircraft
Company, Burbank, California, December 1936.. second, last photo last flight.
 

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TIGERFISH said:
Hello kyle, found another photo can compare two. first, Amelia Earhart with her Electra 10E, NR16020, at Lockheed Aircraft
Company, Burbank, California, December 1936.. second, last photo last flight.
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Let's assume it was polished like no airplane has ever been polished before or since. A shine that would put the mirror on the Palomar telescope to shame.

Would that matter if the airplane had been at the bottom of the ocean for a week before anyone (other than one Coast Guard cutter) showed up to look for her?
 
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