For Sale What are these really worth?

I'm not sure what they typically go for, but they are really nice aircraft and fly great.

They're also one of the few homebuilts that people seem to put time into making the interiors as nice as some of the higher end production models.
 
Refurbished in 2017 to meet 2020 ADS-B requirements.

Does meeting ADS-B requirements really constitute being "refurbished"
 
It is a nice looking plane. If it had Air Conditioning, I would consider it.

I wonder what the useful load is,
and what is meant by "2+2 seating"?
 
I'm guessing the best person to ask is @Velocity173

definitely at the high end of the spectrum. Most nice XLs are around 150-160K. A TXL can go for well above 200K but that's not the case here. Personally, I'd say he's about 20K high on his asking price.
 
Typically that means the back seats are usable for kids but really too small for most adults. A Porsche 911 is 2+2, for example.
That's what I thought. I would just take seats like that out and use the space for cargo (like Scotch or Bourbon). That's what I did with seats 5&6 in the Bo.
 
I don't think the 2 + 2 means kids seats in the back. The XL= xtra large. The cabin on the XL is 47.5 inches wide. Two full sized adults can easily fit in the back of an XL. Velocity has a promo vid and you can see adults sitting in the back with plenty of room.

Now an SE or a 173? Yeah, that's like a PA28, C172, Mooney etc.
 
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Only the side by sides. The tandems do not. Hows that for an oddity?

[yes, it's because the tandems have side controls and the side by sides have center sticks]
 
Not sure why they have it listed as 2 + 2. XL= xtra large. The cabin on the XL is 47.5 inches wide. Two full sized adults can easily fit in the back of an XL.

I've flown in the Factory Demo XLRG twice times and can attest to the back seats being plenty large for full sized adults.

I don't think you've seen the interiors of many RVs. Oregon Aero and Classic Aero designs put out some really nice kits.

Mine is the center of row 1 at: http://www.classic.aero/web/public/cc/CC3.php?G=BE2A1EE66A81449F857EBD2468DE08B6

I've been around a number of RVs, but all the ones I've seen have very little finishing. These links are pretty much on par with the RVs I've seen in person:
https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/810669/i-kill-private-vans-rv-8/
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/0/9/0/1639090.jpg?v=v40

I've seen nicely furnished RVs online, but never in person.

On the other hand, almost all the Velocities I've seen (both in person and online) have had decent to very nice interiors.
http://images.planeboard.com/upload...andard_retina_FoX1w2dlS0Wf8rnFBzSu_image.jpeg
https://www.eaa.org/~/media/images/news/2015-bits/02-15-velocity-panel.jpg?la=en

Remember this is just my experience. I'm sure there are exceptions on both sides.
 
I've flown in the Factory Demo XLRG twice times and can attest to the back seats being plenty large for full sized adults.



I've been around a number of RVs, but all the ones I've seen have very little finishing. These links are pretty much on par with the RVs I've seen in person:
https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/810669/i-kill-private-vans-rv-8/
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/0/9/0/1639090.jpg?v=v40

I've seen nicely furnished RVs online, but never in person.

On the other hand, almost all the Velocities I've seen (both in person and online) have had decent to very nice interiors.
http://images.planeboard.com/upload...andard_retina_FoX1w2dlS0Wf8rnFBzSu_image.jpeg
https://www.eaa.org/~/media/images/news/2015-bits/02-15-velocity-panel.jpg?la=en

Remember this is just my experience. I'm sure there are exceptions on both sides.

Yep, so easy to get in and out with the gullwing doors also.
 
I see your point. The weight trade-off comes into play. For the serious aerobatic types there are typically fewer side panels but the "cruisers" dress them up much more. And the 10's are almost always fully dressed as would be an XL.
 
Even the nicest RV's I've seen still have a lot of exposed metal and rivets that detracts from the interior compared to modern airplanes. I agree that the Velocity's have the nicest ones in the business in general. It's also a little easier to make a nice modern looking interior in a fiberglass airplane. I suspect most of them have the nice interior because sanding and painting the fiberglass well enough to look decent is much more difficult than slapping some leather or fabric over it.
 
Typically that means the back seats are usable for kids but really too small for most adults. A Porsche 911 is 2+2, for example.
I don't think the 2 + 2 means kids seats in the back. The XL= xtra large. The cabin on the XL is 47.5 inches wide. Two full sized adults can easily fit in the back of an XL. Velocity has a promo vid and you can see adults sitting in the back with plenty of room.

Now an SE or a 173? Yeah, that's like a PA28, C172, Mooney etc.

^This. Some of the XL's have a bench for three. Pretty much has to be 3 kids. The 2+2 means this one is set-up with 4 seats, 2 in front, 2 in the back.
 
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