It's Official: Started PPL training today! Learning in our 182

Yeah, putting on the lower cowling is were things really slow down. Actually its not to bad, but getting the air intake re-connected...and properly...is where I slow down a lot to be absolutely sure it is hanging correctly on the top lip and the two zuess fasteners are in and secure. Actually, this time I only loosened the side screws on the pilot's side lower cowling to get at the quick drain valve. For this oil change the A&P told us to leave the strainer in and he will check it during the annual which will be the next oil change too.

Okay, so the top engine doors are not without their evil's too :)
 
Another joy of training in our own plane....a day off to change the oil.

Actually I don't mind it that much, I'm just rather slow at it to be careful. I think a A&P can do it in about an hour. It takes me closer to 3hrs by the time the cowling is back on and I've cleaned up everything. I would like to be a bit faster at this....but not too fast!

But is sure is nice to get a good look at the engine compartment while waiting for all the oil drain out. No funny colors, all bolts are where they should be, belt is good, lock wires are all in place, no critters living in there, etc. It would be so awesome if the 172/182 series had engine compartment doors that opened on top.

Also look for cracks in metal. Cylinders, manifolds, etc. And get a good look at the belt to the alternator whenever it's off.

Yeah, putting on the lower cowling is were things really slow down. Actually its not to bad, but getting the air intake re-connected...and properly...is where I slow down a lot to be absolutely sure it is hanging correctly on the top lip and the two zuess fasteners are in and secure. Actually, this time I only loosened the side screws on the pilot's side lower cowling to get at the quick drain valve. For this oil change the A&P told us to leave the strainer in and he will check it during the annual which will be the next oil change too.

Okay, so the top engine doors are not without their evil's too :)

We just leave our bottom cowl on for oil changes.

Top cowl off, if we prep the area under the oil filter properly (I've never bothered punching a hole in it to drain it since that's just unnecesssry force on the adapter) with some way to catch the oil from it (wrapping a plastic bag around it ahead of time and letting the filter fall into the bag works well), and use the quick drain to empty it out on the other side, we don't need to remove the bottom cowl at all.
 
Two comments:

1. If you're ballooning, you're fast. If the 182 is light, slow down the approach speed. I find 65 knots stabilized approach works nicely with two up front and 50 gal fuel, with full flap. 70 for max landing weight. You're not slow on approach until you need to add power to avoid excessive sink. 182s mush really well; just don't let the plane fly you (or you'll smack the nosegear).

2. Write down your taxi instructions. E.g.,

To 30 H B E x20

Then read it back verbatim.
In not a fan of CFIing over a message board, but generally ballooning is not a function of of excess speed. That would cause excess float.
Ballooning is usually cause by flaring to abruptly. That can lead to a bad situation as you can run out of energy at the top of the balloon. As you resettle a tad of power may be required.
Again, I still say let the instructor (whoever sees it first hand) diagnose the issue.
 
Also look for cracks in metal. Cylinders, manifolds, etc. And get a good look at the belt to the alternator whenever it's off.

We just leave our bottom cowl on for oil changes.

Top cowl off, if we prep the area under the oil filter properly (I've never bothered punching a hole in it to drain it since that's just unnecesssry force on the adapter) with some way to catch the oil from it (wrapping a plastic bag around it ahead of time and letting the filter fall into the bag works well), and use the quick drain to empty it out on the other side, we don't need to remove the bottom cowl at all.
Okay, cool I figured why take the bottom cowling off unless absolutely needed and for an oil change with a quick drain it was nice to just loosen a few lower cowling fastners on the pilots side. And the first thing I looked at was that belt! Since our top end is new it also gave me a good chance to check the rocker cover bolts, all were still tight. On the first oil change after the top re-do a few were a bit loose. Looks like things have settled in.

Speaking of all this, would using something like a "budget borescope" be usefull for checking the belt and other areas when all the cowlings are in place? I always kinda wonder if a critter has crawled up in there when I preflight. It would be so easy to stick a borescope in from the front (pilot's side) and just look around the top area. Could also go in from the dipstick access cover to check the belt, see the drain plug, etc.
 
In not a fan of CFIing over a message board, but generally ballooning is not a function of of excess speed. That would cause excess float.
Ballooning is usually cause by flaring to abruptly. That can lead to a bad situation as you can run out of energy at the top of the balloon. As you resettle a tad of power may be required.
Again, I still say let the instructor (whoever sees it first hand) diagnose the issue.
My instructor is all over this. I haven't ballooned since. And yes, he said I flared back way to aggressively. What impresses me is that through each of my botched landings, how quickly and smoothly he recovers!! I am in awe of his flying ability (and I do let him know it too).

Yesterday was 11kts gusting to 30kts at 45degrees. Not that much fun, but we did another 9 and I had one pretty close. It was a great day for pattern practice with all the crabbing on crosswind, base and final
 
Speaking of all this, would using something like a "budget borescope" be usefull for checking the belt and other areas when all the cowlings are in place? I always kinda wonder if a critter has crawled up in there when I preflight. It would be so easy to stick a borescope in from the front (pilot's side) and just look around the top area. Could also go in from the dipstick access cover to check the belt, see the drain plug, etc.

Seems like overkill. I just open the oil doors and that gives enough light to see in there for bird nests or whatever. Can reach the belt on ours through the oil dipstick door also if you want to check tension.

Not going to ever tell anyone not to check whatever they want to during preflight, but I don't see folks preflighting with a flexible camera. :)
 
Seems like overkill. I just open the oil doors and that gives enough light to see in there for bird nests or whatever. Can reach the belt on ours through the oil dipstick door also if you want to check tension.

Not going to ever tell anyone not to check whatever they want to during preflight, but I don't see folks preflighting with a flexible camera. :)

For the time when I picked up the 182 from the mechanic with a cracked oil filter, one of those borescopes might have been nice. As it was, we noticed increased oil loss, which the mechanic insisted was "still in spec." We knew it had changed, so we brought it into a different mechanic, who found the oil filter problem, and several smaller ones.
 
For the time when I picked up the 182 from the mechanic with a cracked oil filter, one of those borescopes might have been nice. As it was, we noticed increased oil loss, which the mechanic insisted was "still in spec." We knew it had changed, so we brought it into a different mechanic, who found the oil filter problem, and several smaller ones.

I would the mess under wherever the airplane was parked would have been a hint, coming out of the right cowl flap hole? LOL.
 
I would the mess under wherever the airplane was parked would have been a hint, coming out of the right cowl flap hole? LOL.

The oil filter only leaked when the engine was running, so it made the bottom of the airplane greasy. Like all oil leaks. There was no way to tell where it was coming from from the outside.
 
The oil filter only leaked when the engine was running, so it made the bottom of the airplane greasy. Like all oil leaks. There was no way to tell where it was coming from from the outside.

Interesting. Usually any oil under pressure makes a hell of a mess and with that much oil coming out of the bottom of the cowl, I'd just get the top cowl off and figure out at least what "quadrant" of the engine area it was coming from. It would all be right rear and down if it were coming from our filter. Was it a very small crack? Usually it takes such a small crack to make such a massive mess I'm fascinated it was hard to find.
 
Congrats on your lessons! Sounds to me you are doing pretty well. Love reading your experiences as I am about 20 hours into my flight lessons in a Cessna 172, so can relate to what you are going thru. You mentioned mistakes in flaring, and I'm thinking "wow, you too?" Glad I'm not the only one. Still tricky getting the timing right, and when I do, I tend to pull back too much. Have made several unassisted landings, but then I'll follow them with what are more like controlled crashes! For me, the crosswind landings are a bear. You mentioned talking to the tower as being a challenge, and again, I can sure relate! I'm fine when they throw at me the expected, short messages, like "cleared for the option, number 2 behind the Cessna". But, anything more than that, and I feel like a deer in the headlights.
Oh well, part of the fun is meeting the challenge of it all, right?
Any ways, good luck with your learning! But again, sounds like you are doing very well!
 
My instructor is all over this. I haven't ballooned since. And yes, he said I flared back way to aggressively. What impresses me is that through each of my botched landings, how quickly and smoothly he recovers!! I am in awe of his flying ability (and I do let him know it too).

Yesterday was 11kts gusting to 30kts at 45degrees. Not that much fun, but we did another 9 and I had one pretty close. It was a great day for pattern practice with all the crabbing on crosswind, base and final

We're you in the plane with me?? Had the same thing Thursday during 182 checkout flight. Nailed flaring and got hp endorsement today. Keep at it


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Congrats on your lessons! Sounds to me you are doing pretty well. Love reading your experiences as I am about 20 hours into my flight lessons in a Cessna 172, so can relate to what you are going thru. You mentioned mistakes in flaring, and I'm thinking "wow, you too?" Glad I'm not the only one. Still tricky getting the timing right, and when I do, I tend to pull back too much. Have made several unassisted landings, but then I'll follow them with what are more like controlled crashes! For me, the crosswind landings are a bear. You mentioned talking to the tower as being a challenge, and again, I can sure relate! I'm fine when they throw at me the expected, short messages, like "cleared for the option, number 2 behind the Cessna". But, anything more than that, and I feel like a deer in the headlights.
Oh well, part of the fun is meeting the challenge of it all, right?
Any ways, good luck with your learning! But again, sounds like you are doing very well!
Thanks for the encouragement and it is awesome to find others in about the same place! Sounds like you are very close to soloing!!!

For the tower comms, I plugged an audio recorder into a open headset station and recorded two different sessions. It really helped to playback the audio and hear just what they said and how I responded...er, uh...tried to respond :) Plus I can hear the instructor's feedback a second time. I just replay it on the drive home and listen in the car. I won't do this for many flights but I might do it when we start something new.
 
We're you in the plane with me?? Had the same thing Thursday during 182 checkout flight. Nailed flaring and got hp endorsement today. Keep at it
Congratulations on the HP endorsement!!!

I still have a long way to go to get that. I'm in the midwest (KFCM) for my lessons. Now its getting hot and windy and I can only fly in the late afternoon to early evening so much more wind in store for me :(
 
Update: Week # 6 (~21hrs)
> Short Version: Lots and lots more landings, many more unassisted but still not there :(

- I had my hours wrong from the last update, now that I filled up a page and had to really add them up I am 21hrs
- 3 more sessions of landings only. On two of the days pretty good crosswinds so pretty frustrating...yet learning!
- Did one low approach I think it helped me understand just how close we were to the ground.
- Did one higher speed approach in moderate crosswind so I could try/feel aileron into the wind and rudder opposite.
- On straight headwind day I had 3 of 7 unassisted (best rate so far).
- The gal in the tower was having fun with me as things were quiet, alternated me between left closed traffic and right closed on each cycle :)
- So used to flying the long runways (10/28's) that on my first day on the short runway (18/36) I thought I was flying downwind when it was the base!
- The tower has made a few flubs and I have caught all but one. Got a "Cleared for the Option" when holding for takeoff? With no other traffic in the pattern I started to take me feet off the brakes and the instructor immediately stopped the plane. He explained why we held and she admitted she made a mistake. Fortunately no traffic. Main lesson learned...do not take the feet off the brakes unless you hear "Line Up and Wait" or "Cleared for Takeoff". Another lesson I learned is that I was pretty tight up against the hold short line. I think I would have questioned it as I started to roll but I surely would have crossed by then. I think I'm gonna start staying back another 10ft or so.
- When it is busier I am getting lots of cleared for immediate takeoff and am now feeling very comfortable with that situation.
- Wow, first sensation of the plane performance vs heat and humidity. On my first hot/humid day of lessons the 182 still climbed out nicely but I could just feel the difference. That first 400ft or so I wanted to climb around 80mph and it would normally be closer to 90 or 95. Once we got up closer to pattern altitude it didn't seem liked it mattered as much anymore - maybe just me reading into it but seemed different.
- Wow, is it hot in a 182P with no co-pilot side window. We would just crack the instructor's door while taxiing. I can see why they don't have ventilation on the side as the CO monitor (which is normally reading about 3) starts reading about 11....14 during taxing. I would love to better ventilation on that side.
- In a gesture to my instructor I brought with a small battery operated fan which my daughter uses in the back seat. I clamped it to the windshield and sitting on the glare shield with our old tablet mount. Pointed it right at him He said it helped! More interesting to both of us...it ran on HI for 1hr25min with stopping! We'll probably try this again. I think the fan cost less than the mount. I told him if the battery gets too hot or anything seems wrong its going out the window.
- Working on my Pre-Solo written this weekend. My wife thought I had meant the final written until she saw it. Apparently this was not a requirement many years ago?
- Coolest moment on the field. Putting the plane away last night. Heard a much deeper radial engine rumble than normal (yeh, what is normal). I walked down the hangar row and the local museum's Avenger was just taking off with 3 T-6's joining up for some formation flying. They did a couple low passes down the long runway. Wow, that Avenger is huge compared to the T-6. It looked like it was giving all it's got to take off in the hot humid wx. Much respect thinking of it taking off a small aircraft carrier out in that warm humid pacific ocean air with a huge torpedo underneath. I've seen the plane at the museum...absolutely amazing restoration. I swear the folding wing is longer than our entire airplane :)

...thanks for all the help and encouragement so far!!!
 
Thanks for the encouragement and it is awesome to find others in about the same place! Sounds like you are very close to soloing!!!

For the tower comms, I plugged an audio recorder into a open headset station and recorded two different sessions. It really helped to playback the audio and hear just what they said and how I responded...er, uh...tried to respond :) Plus I can hear the instructor's feedback a second time. I just replay it on the drive home and listen in the car. I won't do this for many flights but I might do it when we start something new.

Have you checked out the LiveATC web site? I use that a lot, as it allows you to listen in on the tower communications. They have a web site, and an app that you can download on your tablet or smartphone.
As for soloing, I think my instructor is thinking that I'm getting close to doing it, as he asked me if I had everything in order, since you need your medical done, and student pilots license. I didn't know about the student pilot license, so we went online together and got that all setup.
Wish you the best of luck, and I'll keep checking here on your progress.
 
I'll have to try out the LiveATC to hear more examples! Right now I'm only hearing my flubs so with LiveATC I would be able to hear more jargon.

Actually I have my Medical and Student Pilot License (temporary, card is enroute). But he is also having me do the "Presolo Written Exam" ...I would think you need to do that to? Its my understanding that this exam is required for both CFR Part 61 (and 141).
 
Interesting...I've never heard of the presolo written exam. I asked him if I needed to first do the FAA written test, to which he said "no". As for the LiveATC site, it's great, as you can select any airport you want, and you can even download previous communications in MP3 format.
 
I'll have to try out the LiveATC to hear more examples! Right now I'm only hearing my flubs so with LiveATC I would be able to hear more jargon.

Actually I have my Medical and Student Pilot License (temporary, card is enroute). But he is also having me do the "Presolo Written Exam" ...I would think you need to do that to? Its my understanding that this exam is required for both CFR Part 61 (and 141).
Yes it's required. I got the same paper handed to me last week, so I am excited that I am getting close, it's been a long time, at the same time little skeptical that there won't be a body next to me. The time was perfrct...grrr... my plane is down for annual and some other stuff.

Live atc, YouTube both helps. For me, YouTube helped more, and I still practice radio calls when driving or walking, people think I am crazy, but that's their problem and they are probably not wrong

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- When it is busier I am getting lots of cleared for immediate takeoff and am now feeling very comfortable with that situation.

Just a note on this. As you get better at it, you'll start accepting things that are just ridiculous. I've done it. We all probably have.

Then your instructors will start to remind you that you can always say, "Unable immediate. We'll wait..."

Especially if you and the aircraft aren't truly ready to go.

Good to get in the habit of not just accepting it because you want to keep up with the flow, but because you really can accept it as PIC. You're in charge of when you depart, ultimately. Not the tower.

(And you've already seen that they can make mistakes too. I've had a "Cleared for immediate takeoff" at least a couple of times where I could see the aircraft on final and knew they were cutting it too close. "Unable. We'll wait." Whoosh, the aircraft lands literally as I unkey. Doesn't happen often but watch.

Nobody wins any brownie points for taxiing into the runway when not ready and crashing off the end because of a configuration mistake.

And airliners have done it.

As far as the hold line goes. When you fly bigger stuff you usually have to get up there to keep you tail out of the way, especially if it's an intersection. But smaller stuff, I like to angle slightly toward the approach end so I can see what's coming. See "controller mistakes" above. A few feet back and a shallow angle so the pillar isn't blocking the view down final.

Just keep in mind how wide the taxiway is and where your wingspan puts the wjngtips if you're going to be crooked. If you're too big, obviously, don't do it. Little airplane and big airport, I'm a little canted toward the approach end.

That way I can see who's coming to squish me. ;-)
 
Update: Week 7 (~23hrs)
> Short Version: Only two flights. Getting a bit more frustrated on unassisted landings

- Only 2 flights this week so nice on the checkbook but would have liked 3 or 4.
- Still not able to land unassisted consistently. About 3 of 8 on the calmer day. And 1 of 8 on a crosswind day.
- I had set a personal goal of being able to solo by 20hrs and missed that. So I think each flight afterwards is demoralizing.
- My feet and hands need to break up and take some time off from each other :)
- I'm leveling off pretty consistently and about the right height.
- I'm improving on the flare and the increase rate to pull it back.
- Really stuck on use of rudder while simultaneously controlling pitch.
- Add in the cross wind component and I feel 2 steps behind for those last 3-5 seconds which is really frustrating.
- For the first time in who knows how many trips around the pattern I once put the flaps to 0 from 20 instead of going to 30. I felt the plane speed up and was like what the heck! And while pulling the prop out for a very short cruise segment I bumped the end button and pulled it almost full out...fixed that quickly.
- I'm starting to believe getting good rest really matters. Every day I get up at 6:30pm and every night I went to bed around 12:30am. I was really tired for both flights. We usually go about 90 minutes but I decided the call the second flight at 70 minutes between the crosswinds, being really tired and hot.
- One near runway incursion. On the second flight of the week I knew we were flying the near, short runway. But 90% of the time we taxi across it to the long runway. As I neared the hold short line the instructor said "Hey where are YOU going?" I stopped right away. I believe if he hadn't said something I would have rolled across. Perhaps the only good thing, I did take my time to look carefully for traffic...which is probably why he knew intended to cross. Heck, we hadn't even done our run-up yet.
- Interesting pattern experience. Right before we turned final we were told to extend the base and then about 15 seconds later given a 270 to final. As they called the turn I started the turn immediately and then responded on the radio (doing two things at once!). But we were going so slow, flaps 20 that the instructor jumped in to get the speed and altitude up. My immediate instinct was to add power but I didn't add enough. We weren't descending. But were getting way to far from the airport at that speed and altitude. So I learned a lot there. Never knew you could have a base altered like that. And get the plane up and moving again.
- Spent 1.5hrs of ground time to thoroughly review the Pre-Solo written exam. The instructor spent a lot of time on the 182 specific speeds, what they really mean, etc. He also spent a lot of time on the Delta and Bravo airspace since the Delta we are at is under a Bravo.
- No flying this weekend but I'm gonna chair fly and work on divorcing my hands from my feet :)
 
- I'm starting to believe getting good rest really matters. Every day I get up at 6:30pm and every night I went to bed around 12:30am. I was really tired for both flights. We usually go about 90 minutes but I decided the call the second flight at 70 minutes between the crosswinds, being really tired and hot.

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- Interesting pattern experience. Right before we turned final we were told to extend the base and then about 15 seconds later given a 270 to final. As they called the turn I started the turn immediately and then responded on the radio (doing two things at once!). But we were going so slow, flaps 20 that the instructor jumped in to get the speed and altitude up. My immediate instinct was to add power but I didn't add enough. We weren't descending. But were getting way to far from the airport at that speed and altitude. So I learned a lot there. Never knew you could have a base altered like that. And get the plane up and moving again.

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- No flying this weekend but I'm gonna chair fly and work on divorcing my hands from my feet :)

Fatigue is real. If you're tired, stop. The instructor will understand. Speak up. They don't always know.

Controllers asking for odd things is often a trigger for the first link in an accident chain. Always think carefully about what needs to happen when they do that. In this case you were really needing to essentially transition the airplane back to slow cruise flight. Add enough power to level off and maybe think about coming back up to 10 on the flaps, but that last part is optional. Just remember, more flaps, more drag, so you need more power for level flight. Not too surprising the instructor jumped in there but next time and any time you get oddball requests from controllers you're not used to, think "Do I need to reconfigure and fly this any differently?" It wasn't so much your distance from the airport that dictated your speed needs... it was that you were essentially asked to go fly around for a bit. No longer on an approach? Speed up to at least a slow cruise speed and fly normally. Good experience. Low level maneuvering while slow and not descending (so you need power!) is a recipe for a stall when distracted thinking about how you'll be re-entering the approach/landing pattern.

Feet and hands: Part of what you really want is to visualize connecting them to your eyes and specific movements. If the nose is wagging left and right or not pointed straight down the runway, step on a rudder pedal and FIX exactly that.

If the glidepath isn't exactly what you want on the way down final, or the nose isn't coming up above the horizon at the FAR end of the runway (make sure you look waaaaay down there, not directly off the end of the nose... when landing) in the flare, use the elevator to FIX exactly that.

Ailerons, if you're being taught to land with a wing low in a crosswind, visualize seeing the left right drift across the runway laterally. Crosswind from the left let's say: Sliding left? Less left bank. Sliding right, more left bank. Make the movement stop. FIX exactly that.

Once you connect those movements and stopping them to the individual controls, then you'll recognize the interactions between them. But you'll make progress because you're making the airplane stop unwanted motion or putting the horizon exactly where you want it below the cowl. A way to look at this is "Never let a motion happen that you don't want. Stop it with the appropriate control."

You're right to chair fly it. You'll start to see the relationships from things you know.

Visualize everything right but the airplane is sliding left. Left crosswind. You're on final.

Take some of your bank to the left out. The slide has stopped but the nose is starting to swing to the right.

Now that right rudder you were holding to counteract the nose wanting to go to the left into a turn is too much. Stop it by releasing some pressure on that right rudder pedal. Whatever pressure it takes to make it stop moving right. Line the nose up with the runway again.

Now since you've lowered your bank and taken some of the slip out by releasing that rudder pressure, the lift vector is stronger straight up and less to the side. The airplane wants to go up or at least flatten out. Keep that pitch angle to the runway the same with the elevator. You might also need to ever so slightly pull some power off. Airspeed may be climbing just a tad.

See how that works?

In gusty conditions you might end up doing this over and over and over correcting whatever is moving that you see with your eyes, all the way down to the runway. Constantly correcting for any movement you don't want. That's the name of the game in landings.

There's also cues for your eyes for speed but remember where the wind is coming from. With any headwind today's landing will look slower out the windows because your groundspeed is slower. Calm day, it'll look faster. Tailwind it'll look way too fast, but hopefully you're not doing that! :)

Hope that helps give you some thoughts on how to chair fly and visualize it. Same thing in the airplane. Put the airplane on a nice lined up and on speed approach and then make any undesired movement laterally, or angle of the nose, or in altitude or pitch angle changes -- STOP moving that way -- with the individual controls.

And of course don't forget... when in the training environment we tend to "fight through it" and attempt landings anyway. You can ALWAYS go around. Same thing on a go around. Cram, clean, climb. Once you've added that power make sure your airspeed is back up or do whatever it takes to fly level and get some flaps up and then transition to making it look just like the angle of the last takeoff. Visualize doing some go-arounds in your chair flying too!

Have fun! Don't worry about the 20 hours. You've got a little bit more to deal with in the 182 and it'll all "click" as soon as you really get on that "don't let it move" bandwagon! Point that nose on a line down the runway with rider. Stop that drift with more or less bank. Hold that pitch angle and adjust power a bit to keep airspeed and sink rate right down the glidepath and don't let your aim point go up or down the window.

You got this. Disconnecting feet from hands is simple. Feet move for nose movement. Hands move for lateral slide or pitch angle. The instructor I had liked to exaggerate these movements a bit for the student and would wag the rudder and say, "see the nose going left and right? That's the movement we don't want. Point the nose down the runway with your feet." Same thing with he lateral slide to the left or right in a slip. And "do we want the nose up this high? Or down this low?" as he'd move the elevator. "No. We want it right here..."

Lock those movements to those control inputs in your head. Only when all that movement you don't want stops then let it land. Keep coming back on the yoke and hold it level above the runway at about a foot or two and don't let it touch down. As it slows the elevator becomes less effective so each tiny pull back in the yoke gets a little and little bigger until touchdown. All the controls are that way. Less movement when fast, bigger control movements when slow.

You'll see this as more of that unwanted movement as you slow. You'll need more control deflection to stop it when you get real slow in the flare.

Make sense? Like I said, hope that helps! Give it a try. Once set up on a nice aligned approach on glidepath and airspeed, concentrate hard and don't let anything move.
 
Thanks for all the advise and input DenverPilot!!!!! I had time to read it all on Saturday and again on Sunday. On Sunday I spent a couple 50min sessions chair flying. Everyone is telling me the same thing. Rudder to keep the nose straight, eyes move way down when leveling out, ailerons to move left/right, continued and increasing backpressure during the flare.

Today was my first morning flight. Windy but right down the runway. I was all brimming with confidence and once again the 1/8 unassisted rate. Another 2/8 needed just a little assistance. However I also had my first ever "I'm going around" as I bounced it and came up high enough to not even consider trying to save it (way beyond my skill level). I know on at least 4 occasions I caught my eyes going way down and then coming back near the nose trying to look over the front. So I really, really need to get that under control otherwise I believe that runway view right up by the nose is preventing me from leveling off so I float back up a bit now its gotten a whole lot harder.

The instructor gave me some good chair flying suggestions today too now that I am at least catching what I am doing wrong.

Funny, a wire broke on the co-pilot push to talk so today I had to cover 100% of all the radio calls - that felt good.

I can tell my instructor thinks I am close and he's great about positive re-enforcement. I think today had I just kept my eyes down the runway and leveled off better I would have had 6/8 unassisted. So I know I can do it. And I am feeling really, really comfortable in the pattern. He challenged me on a throttle setting as we turned base and I was like "I think its supposed to be...." and he was like - you're right! And each of the final approaches was awesome today. So now I am just down to that final 4 seconds :)
 
Update: Week 8 (~25hrs)
< Short Version: Just two more flights, had 7/8 unassisted landings on the last flight!

- Only two more flights this week - too much going on outside of flying.
- First flight was pretty bad on landings.
- Second flight was my best so far with 7/8 unassisted - but not very pretty.
- I cut the these flights to 60min each which helped. I think past 60min my learning rate just plunges.
- Installed the new LED landing light (I hate that lower cowling!)
- Fixed the co-pilot push to talk. Maybe I shouldn't have since it made me do all the talking :)
- Went up with my wife after installing the light. Had my first view of hard rain up close. We were just going around the pattern and huge wall of rain about 3 miles off. Looked cool and ominous at the same time. As soon as we shut down in front of the hangar it started pouring. I got soaked pushing the plane back in the hangar. Being the PIC has it's perks....she sat inside smiling, high and dry. It was nice to just be a passenger for a bit and just observe. I can already tell how different our styles will be, especially the checklists, radio and in some parts of the flying the pattern thru to approach.
- Hoping for 3 flights this week and my goal is to have a full day of all unassisted landings.
- Thanks for all the help and comments so far.
 
Update: Week 9 (~27hrs)
> Short Version: STUCK...a 2 steps backwards week - arghh!

- Only 2 flights this week. One was a nasty 45deg crosswind @ 14 Gusting to 25. Ironically I had 2 unassisted that day (but was way off to the side with a great instructor at the ready to help out).
- My instructor called me the next day and canceled as the winds were even worse. I thanked him for that reprieve.
- The second flight was almost dead calm right after rain moved through and over the hour it became a 8kts 30deg crosswind. I actually had two cases where I pushed in the throttle and carb heat (he did the flaps) and went around, one after a kind of soft bounce but I ballooned up too high. The other I felt too sideways. I know he can recover but I decided to do what I would do if he wasn't there. He was totally fine with it
- The last two landings were just "plane" bad. He went to help and commented how hard I was holding the controls. I was so ****ed at myself. I did a "Serenity now", pulled off the runway, lifted my mic boom and let out several f'n'f'n'f'n's and then told him we need to stop (that was after 70min). He can tell I am really ****ed at myself and probably sees me giving up and believe it crossed my mind several times in the past 24hrs.
- I am basically stuck at the level off -> hold -> back - Back -> BACK. I am getting better at leveling out but as I come back I just shoot up way to high and then I get freaked. Throw in that crosswind needing a cross control slip and I literally 2 steps behind when I need to be 3 ahead.
- My instructor is mega patient. I told him that later on - he deserves to to know that.
- The last few flights I really wanted to try for another field with less crosswind. But I didn't speak up and should have. I'd rather blow 8 minutes flying @ 150mph to another field with less crosswind if it will help me learn this first part. He agreed and even recommended another nearby Delta which has a 13/31 (vs 18/36 and 10/28) so we're gonna try that next.
- I know I need to learn crosswind and told him that I am sure many a pilot has mastered their first landings and solo with crosswinds so this just makes me even ****ed off.

Some Good:
- I got some great heavier crosswind takeoff's on that gusty day. I never let the upwind wing come up. However I didn't know I should even try turn it down more until right after the wheels come up. Also, that crosswind was really exaggerating the crab angles needed for the pattern. And in our case that crosswind would easily blow you over into the longer parallel used by the big boys so I was glad to experience the beginning og that regarding takeoffs, patterns, etc. And quite the crab angle on final!!!
- My feet are starting to wake on on landing.
- I had my first ever pre-flight finding!!! Nothing major but at least I found it. When checking the oil filler cap I felt the safety chain missing! I looked and it just came out of the keychain-like loop on the cap. I carefully covered the hole and re-attached it. It sure it would have been fine. Then again if the other end came up and it flew back into the alternator belt that might have sucked
- The instructor recommended crumpling up piece if heavy tin foil to temporarily cover the oil fill hole if cap ever needs for cases such as this - never would have thought of that.
- First time I tried my own checklist. I actually liked it. The instructor liked how I laid it out. I would quickly compare to the original each time and found a few things I will change.

I am actually thinking of taking a break for a week. Maybe go up as a passenger, let my wife fly for a bit and just go somewhere with our daughter. Just enjoy flying again for a bit before kicking landings in the ass for once and for all :)
 
I have way more hrs than you and I am stuck in the exact same place. Can't seem to master the level off and THEN go nose up and the windy as he'll everyday doesn't help either. With the plane down for annual, didn't get a chance to fly for last 4 weeks , hoping to go up next week. It's frustrating as hell for me as well. Just hanging in there in the hopes of one day magically things will fall in place

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Don't think of it as pulling the nose up. Think of it as staying level while you slow down. The nose will go up as a byproduct.
 
I have way more hrs than you and I am stuck in the exact same place. Can't seem to master the level off and THEN go nose up and the windy as he'll everyday doesn't help either. With the plane down for annual, didn't get a chance to fly for last 4 weeks , hoping to go up next week. It's frustrating as hell for me as well. Just hanging in there in the hopes of one day magically things will fall in place

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Maybe think of it this way. It's one long continuous pull. But...

The airspeed is higher when you start it. The elevator is more effective with more airflow over it.

So you move it less at first, and then accelerate how far you've deflected it as you slow, to keep the nose rising. The elevator is losing effectiveness.

If you hold it still, the nose will fall as the speed slows.

It's also losing effectiveness by a square. It's physics. Force is dropping off as a square of the loss of airspeed.

Think of a big steep curve on a graph for elevator effectiveness (force) it can apply to hold the nose up, as graphed against airspeed.

The standard way to teach it is to "level off" (thats the initial light pull because the elevator is very effective until you slow some more, and you don't want to go back up) and then keep pulling the nose up as the aircraft settles. But this makes students focus on the location of the nose and not think about the "why".

The part that usually "clicks" is when the student realizes it's really just one pull that has to get faster as the elevator "stops working as well" as the aircraft slows. Smooth.

Intuitively the elevator also starts feeling "heavier" right as you need to move it aft a little faster. It's telling you it can't do what you've asked of it and yet it can... you just have to move it further which translates to "slightly faster aft".

Some instructors teach it like a ratchet. The elevator clicks each time you move it rearward and it can't go forward any more after you move it back. Then just keep ratcheting it in faster until the mains touch. I don't like that analogy because in some conditions you might have to let a LITTLE pressure off, but letting the elevator go forward is a great way to start a pilot induced oscillation. So the ratchet thing is usually only good for students who tend to pump the elevator fore and aft to get them to stop it.

See if that helps. Pull just a little at first. Airspeed starts to slow. Have to pull a little more. Then slower and you have to pull even more and it accelerates to touchdown.

It also just takes practice. You'll get it!
 
Maybe think of it this way. It's one long continuous pull. But...

The airspeed is higher when you start it. The elevator is more effective with more airflow over it.

So you move it less at first, and then accelerate how far you've deflected it as you slow, to keep the nose rising. The elevator is losing effectiveness.

If you hold it still, the nose will fall as the speed slows.

It's also losing effectiveness by a square. It's physics. Force is dropping off as a square of the loss of airspeed.

Think of a big steep curve on a graph for elevator effectiveness (force) it can apply to hold the nose up, as graphed against airspeed.

The standard way to teach it is to "level off" (thats the initial light pull because the elevator is very effective until you slow some more, and you don't want to go back up) and then keep pulling the nose up as the aircraft settles. But this makes students focus on the location of the nose and not think about the "why".

The part that usually "clicks" is when the student realizes it's really just one pull that has to get faster as the elevator "stops working as well" as the aircraft slows. Smooth.

Intuitively the elevator also starts feeling "heavier" right as you need to move it aft a little faster. It's telling you it can't do what you've asked of it and yet it can... you just have to move it further which translates to "slightly faster aft".

Some instructors teach it like a ratchet. The elevator clicks each time you move it rearward and it can't go forward any more after you move it back. Then just keep ratcheting it in faster until the mains touch. I don't like that analogy because in some conditions you might have to let a LITTLE pressure off, but letting the elevator go forward is a great way to start a pilot induced oscillation. So the ratchet thing is usually only good for students who tend to pump the elevator fore and aft to get them to stop it.

See if that helps. Pull just a little at first. Airspeed starts to slow. Have to pull a little more. Then slower and you have to pull even more and it accelerates to touchdown.

It also just takes practice. You'll get it!
That makes a lot of sense. I will give this a shot. Initially I used to do the one motion, and at the same time was looking too close and as a result used balloon quite a bit. Think the tower guys used to call me the balloon flyer . Fixed that by looking further down the runway.

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I am actually thinking of taking a break for a week. Maybe go up as a passenger...
Try a lesson in a lighter plane, the lighter the better. A Cessna 152/150 would be ideal. Unless you can't fit in one, I think the change will make all the difference.

EDIT: Go an hour before sunset.

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Update: Week 10 (28.7hrs)
> Short Version: !!!! SOLO !!!!

> Just one lesson this week.
> After such a crappy previous session this is such a huge turn around! It is hard not to smile BIG after that.
> My wife was out of town for 5 days so it was just me and my daughter and other than cleaning the plane I told myself to just stop thinking about it during the week - I have not doubt this helped in my case as I am one who can dwell and over analyze (the only one here right!)
> I cherry picked the wx this time and aborted on a rainy day and windy day. Last night winds were like 3knots. Ironically, all of my solo flights had a very slight tailwind as the tower keep the traffic direction the same.
> Wow, it was really quiet in the plane all by myself. I was not nervous and just told myself stay 2-3 steps ahead and think about the actuall landing deep into final when it is relevant.
> I did one go around!!! On my 3rd I ballooned up a bit, I had seen my instructor save each and every one of these. But for me in like 0.3sec I just knew it would be better to go around. The 3rd landing after the go around was great. I really think that go around was a confidence booster too, especially getting all 40deg of flaps out of there.
> Of course during our 7 practice landings together there wasn't a plane in sight. After he signed the log book and I went back out there were 4 ahead of me including a big piston twin doing a run up. At first I thought I will have too much time to think. So I just did the run up again and re-ran the takeoff checklist twice and kept busy doing airplane ****.
> With all the traffic my first takeoff had my upwind extended pretty far but no problems and the first landing was the best, no ballooning, bouncing or anything - just that light touchdown and a little screech of the tires.
> The second landing was really good, I was just a bit angled so it bumped a bit as it straightend out a few degrees of lateral rotation.
> Earlier I had mentioned my wanting to do takeoff with the window open. On the 3rd flight (earlier with him) we did that. I expected to have too much air flowing or some other hugely distracting effect. Actually, it just got incredibly loud on the takeoff and climb out. So much so that I couldn't hear the tower with my vintage David Clarks so I had to crank up the KX155 a bit. And all the wind pretty much continuously broke the VOX on the intercom so I just waited that out until we turned crosswind since its a rather small outer knob to be tweaking on the intial climb out. Landing with my window open was no big deal at all. Next time we're gonna practice a door open during takeoff too.

...I could go on and on but I'll stop here and say a huge THANK YOU to everyone here who has followed me this far and offering tons of incredibly helpful advice.
 
Nothing beats training in your own airplane, so long as your CFI doesn't let you bounce it to the moon. When I was training for my PPL all I did was find a CFI and add him to "named insured". Congrats on the solo, keep at it. You'll get there.
 
Update: Week 10 (28.7hrs)
> Short Version: !!!! SOLO !!!!

> Just one lesson this week.
> After such a crappy previous session this is such a huge turn around! It is hard not to smile BIG after that.
> My wife was out of town for 5 days so it was just me and my daughter and other than cleaning the plane I told myself to just stop thinking about it during the week - I have not doubt this helped in my case as I am one who can dwell and over analyze (the only one here right!)
> I cherry picked the wx this time and aborted on a rainy day and windy day. Last night winds were like 3knots. Ironically, all of my solo flights had a very slight tailwind as the tower keep the traffic direction the same.
> Wow, it was really quiet in the plane all by myself. I was not nervous and just told myself stay 2-3 steps ahead and think about the actuall landing deep into final when it is relevant.
> I did one go around!!! On my 3rd I ballooned up a bit, I had seen my instructor save each and every one of these. But for me in like 0.3sec I just knew it would be better to go around. The 3rd landing after the go around was great. I really think that go around was a confidence booster too, especially getting all 40deg of flaps out of there.
> Of course during our 7 practice landings together there wasn't a plane in sight. After he signed the log book and I went back out there were 4 ahead of me including a big piston twin doing a run up. At first I thought I will have too much time to think. So I just did the run up again and re-ran the takeoff checklist twice and kept busy doing airplane ****.
> With all the traffic my first takeoff had my upwind extended pretty far but no problems and the first landing was the best, no ballooning, bouncing or anything - just that light touchdown and a little screech of the tires.
> The second landing was really good, I was just a bit angled so it bumped a bit as it straightend out a few degrees of lateral rotation.
> Earlier I had mentioned my wanting to do takeoff with the window open. On the 3rd flight (earlier with him) we did that. I expected to have too much air flowing or some other hugely distracting effect. Actually, it just got incredibly loud on the takeoff and climb out. So much so that I couldn't hear the tower with my vintage David Clarks so I had to crank up the KX155 a bit. And all the wind pretty much continuously broke the VOX on the intercom so I just waited that out until we turned crosswind since its a rather small outer knob to be tweaking on the intial climb out. Landing with my window open was no big deal at all. Next time we're gonna practice a door open during takeoff too.

...I could go on and on but I'll stop here and say a huge THANK YOU to everyone here who has followed me this far and offering tons of incredibly helpful advice.
Huge congrats!!

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Thanks for sharing your story. This is my first post and I am about to follow my dream and begin flight instruction. I'm very nervous about after watching YouTube videos where talented pilots do everything right all the time, but following your journey has put me at ease. Thanks for sharing and best of luck as you continue your training.


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Thanks for sharing your story. This is my first post and I am about to follow my dream and begin flight instruction. I'm very nervous about after watching YouTube videos where talented pilots do everything right all the time, but following your journey has put me at ease. Thanks for sharing and best of luck as you continue your training.
...there's youtube and there's normal world!! Just like a medical self diagnosis using just the Web will have you convinced you're gonna die, watching endless crash videos or crazy (awesome) pilot feats will leave you feeling quite humbled. I would just tune it all out, start your first couple hours and you'll be way, way more at ease than you can imagine! My 3 biggest fears were/are engine out, landing and wx. On the second flight he pulled the power, I pitched for best glide (80mph in our plane) and my fear of falling eroded as seconds stretched out to minutes!!! Find a good instructor and you will be amazed..and really, really want to emulate them!!
 
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Congrats on the solo! We've been following along this whole time!
 
Update: Week 11 (~30hrs)
> Short Version: Mixing it up

> Only two lessons this week due to the 4th of July travel.
> No solo flight during this week.
> We did our first family cross country (to Grandpa's) in the Skylane :) Wife as PIC (obviously). Nice when your butt is in a seat for 1hr20min instead of 4.5hrs of driving and traffic! My daughter was quite surprised that she couldn't finish her movie. When we started descending I gave her the "Please turn off all electronics and place your tray tables and seats in the upright position"...huge smile :)
> While my wife was flying she was schooling me on the use of VOR's since my dual XC is coming up fairly soon. It was good timing.
> First lesson of the week was the first lesson since solo where we left the pattern. Did some slow flight and turns. I am always amazed the Skylane will fly at such low speeds with that big heavy nose.
> Then we cleaned back up to cruise and he pulled the throttle. I knew it was coming eventually but didn't expect it then. I immediately setup for best glide (80mph). The best landing spot I could see was on his side. I immediately tried mixture, carb heat, check fuel selector. I did not think to cycle from one to the other tank. I also did not think to try just one mag or the other. That is now engrained including the why! Also, after I tried my "limited recovery" and picked a spot he chuckled and said "There's a nice grass strip right off your left"....duh!!!! I think I was so worried about the recovery that I didn't take that extra 3-8 seconds to really look for a good spot.
> After that we did our first VOR work and I was pretty close to overflying it. My wife was right, the nav stuff was coming up next. I still need more VOR work but it is making sense.
> After that we landed at another Delta (KMIC) so first new airport for me, new tower to talk with, more crossing runways and different taxiing. I am glad we did that. I had no prior knowledge of that airport so it took me a bit to understand where exactly I needed to go to land.
> When we took off I said "Wow what a great view of downtown Mpls". He called the tower and told them we might do some downtown photography. They responded enjoy. He had me fly just under the bravo and almost right over the Twins Stadium! Then it was a flight back home where I landed again.
> The second lesson was much busier. I didn't realize a requirement for the PPL is to at least request a clearance into the Bravo. My CFI does this in his sleep. So I listened carefully and did all the normal taxi, takeoff talking and he handled MPLS Approach. Unfortunately we were denied (I was bummed I though it would be awesome). So instead he just continuously gave me new vectors around the south side staying under the bravo until we were handed back off to STP. I think MPLS approach missed one thing, they didn't have us squawk 1200 again and the STP controller remedied that. Before I am done want to pass thru the bravo at least once.
> It was windier on this second lesson so I was able to land a couple of times and needed his help on a couple. The first thing I told myself "This is not a setback, you can still land on calm days or down the runway." I just wanted to immediately head off any self doubt and let my brain back to those frustrating crosswind days.
> Wow, STP is a really cool airport...and so quiet. The only traffic was a helicopter and a big 3 engine Business jet. We were given permission to takeoff while the jet was still rolling down the runway. I inquired why we didn't get a wake turbulence warning. The CFI just said look at his rotation point and his vertical climb. We will takeoff in way less than half of his liftoff (the 182 does climb!) and climb steeper so we'll never touch his turbulence. Actually I knew that part, I just figured they would always give a wake turbulence warning?
> All pattern work at a STP was touch and goes except one call by me to recap a bad crosswind landing attempt. So those were my first touch and go's.
> Then it was lots of small vectoring back under the bravo to FCM where they gave us a straight in - hadn't done that yet. It was a busy day and they were stacking traffic in pretty tight. I was positive we'd get a go around so I was ready. About 1/10th mile from the runway they gave us a go around. I landed us to end the lesson.
> BONUS: While doing the preflight I kept seeing army guys walking around the side of the hangar. Note to self: when you see army guys walking around your hangar go check it out. I walked around the corner and right there was a Chinook!! I walked over and right away the pilot yelled out "Come aboard sir, this is your Helicopter" :) They gave me a tour and great conversation ensued. They were flying across country from Ft.Lewis. They flight plan for 120kts true and were still heading farther east - talk about a long flight. I was late for my lesson by now!!! So I told them "Thanks being awesome ass kicking Motha F'rs and keeping us all safe!!!" I wished them a safe flight and the pilot wished me good luck with my lessons. We saw them depart. And yes, they use iPad's and Foreflight!
 
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