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HOLY NO ENGINE FLOAT, BATMAN!!
It looks like he killed the engines on a high final and spent the rest of the landing f'ing with the starters.
Very sad, pilot did a great job. Wondering if will ever fly again.
Hopefully they did not do any more damage when they moved it..Hopefully it's just the sheet metal on the belly and some new gear parts. Plus two engine tear downs.
HOLY NO ENGINE FLOAT, BATMAN!!
It looks like he killed the engines on a high final and spent the rest of the landing f'ing with the starters.
Hopefully it's just the sheet metal on the belly and some new gear parts. Plus two engine tear downs.
Hopefully it's just the sheet metal on the belly and some new gear parts. Plus two engine tear downs.
Why tear down the engines? Were they not part 91? Looked like to me that the engines were not running.
He came really close to running off of the end of 16. At least, that's how it appeared in the video I watched.
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There's quite a bending load imparted to the crankshafts given the radius of the prop, compounded by the prop extensions on the Aztec. And it looks like both sides were dragging a blade when she hit.
It may technically not need a tear down but I wouldn't fly it without a pretty damn thorough inspection and runout check on the crank.
Me too. Just seems like some folks believe that if the prop touches anything then the engine gets an automatic teardown.
And it may just be me, but in that situation I would not care about the props, or engines or the plane. Priority #1 will be ensuring the safety of the people inside.
But the outcome was a happy one for the folks inside, that's all that really matters.
Aztecs are tough, tough airplanes. I have the airframe from one a couple years older than mine that had a gear up. I use it for hard to find airframe parts to keep mine flying. Same situation, hydraulic system failure. In that case there were only two pilots on board and they brought it in under power and did a perfect job putting it down. Damage was limited to the lower engine cowls, the rear tail skid/tie-down fitting and the transponder and stormscope antenna on the underside. Everything else was scratch free, literally.
Unfortunately the value of these airplanes, even a late model 1979 'F' like this one, is less than cost of rebuilding the engines and replacing the props. The insurance company wrote off the one I bought from them for a pittance.
The keyboard pilot can always do better, haven't you learned that by now?Good lord The pilot did a phenomenal job, no injuries, no fire, minimized damage to the aircraft. Yet, the experts here are already calling him names and being keyboard experts. Bob Hoover would have given him a thumbs up for that landing.
Damn, you need a cannibalized frame in the hangar to keep the other one flying?! And I thought Comanches were bad. Kudos for your perseverance, but things like that further galvanize my decision to stick with PA-28s.
If you have the place to store it, it sounds like a good plan to me.Aztecs are still being parked and parted out so not usually too much difficulty finding components, but not as easily as for a PA-28 admittedly.
This was more serendipity. The last series of Aztecs, the 'F' models built between 1976 and 1981, when Piper discontinued production, were 28 volt, so things like autopilot servos and other electrics are more difficult to find. I just happened to get a chance to pick up a well equipped, intact 'F' airframe for a distressed bid price. I've already used some of the gear parts, one of the electric boost pumps, moved some of the avionics to upgrade mine and a few other minor things. I sold the engine cores and got back half what I paid.
Sounds a lot like a Hornet.Damn, you need a cannibalized frame in the hangar to keep the other one flying?!
Me too. Just seems like some folks believe that if the prop touches anything then the engine gets an automatic teardown.
And it may just be me, but in that situation I would not care about the props, or engines or the plane. Priority #1 will be ensuring the safety of the people inside.
But the outcome was a happy one for the folks inside, that's all that really matters.