Creve Coeur 1H0

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Am I over complicating getting in and out of this airport? I am heading in from the north and planning to just drop down below the B and head in at 800-1000 AGL just west of the STL VOR. The chicken in me says to just go to SUS but 1H0 is right next to the final destination.

How busy is that airspace? If getting advisories will they clear you through the B? I went into downtown last year and they cleared me through B and made it real easy peasy.

Any locals?
 
You are overcomplicating this.
 
Ya have any links to the airspace/airport, or do you expect us to look it up, for you?
 
I'm a new pilot but I would assume you just talk to approach well before encountering the Bravo, let them know your request to head to 1H0, and they'll help you get there...
 
My brother lives in Chesterfield.

Creve Coeur is just as easy as Spirit. No issues getting cleared through the Bravo.

Main differences are fuel prices and services. (fuel is cheaper but you'll be parking outside at 1H0).

Have fun.
 
mscard88 said:
Ya have any links to the airspace/airport, or do you expect us to look it up, for you?
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Google it, you lazy bum! :D

That's what I did as I had no idea where it was except that it was near the STL VOR so probably under the STL Bravo. So I looked it up and it looks like no big deal. You are right though, inadequate info in OP. Just taking a snip of the chart from AirNav or elsewhere would be helpful. You know, something like this:

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Know a fellow RV Pilot (no flames please) that is based there. He never talks with approach, just stays out of B. There are many antique NORDO aircraft there that do the same.
 
St Louis Bravo is a piece of cake.

Not busy at all since American abandoned it as a hub.
 
I've found that the secret to operating VFR near bravo airspace is to just get on flight following, give them your destination, and fly towards it until you either need a clearance or they tell you what they want you to do.

So far that's worked out.


Speaking of the St Louis area... I've been going to KALN quite a bit. The High Flyers Grille has good food and it's a short/easy flight from home. Been looking for an excuse for another flight, any other must-eat/must-see airports around St Louis?
 
They have shade hangars at 1H0. I've visited there in the past. I just stayed below the B. It was quite a bit cheaper than staying ar SUS.

But I had to push my plane into the spot by myself. But it was cheap.
 
I've flown in there a number of times. I always fly IFR, but there are a number of planes there which don't have radios at all. So yeah, you're overcomplicating it. ;)

Here's a picture I took of a hangar there.
 

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Pattern altitude is 1200' - When I come in from the north I stay at 1,500' to keep out of the Bravo. Left traffic for 34 and right for 16. Just be sure of where you're at and you'll be OK. If you have a GPS it's a no-brainer.

Nice airport for transients, but I don't know if they have a crew car because I rented planes there and never needed one. If you need offsite transportation give 'em a call & see what's available.

Also, be alert for NORDOs, especially early Sat & Sun.
 
cowman said:
Been looking for an excuse for another flight, any other must-eat/must-see airports around St Louis?
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Other than what you mentioned at KALN, there aren't any airport restaurants in the immediate St. Louis area. I drove past the one that used to be at St Louis Downtown (KCPS) this week and the sign said closed, so it may be gone.

The closest others are in Jefferson City (KJEF), Sikeston (KSIK - offsite but with shuttle pickup), and Cape Girardeau (KCGI).
 
Just don't ask for the shuttle to Lambert's in Sikeston. Awesome food, but man it sets like a lead brick after you overstuff yourself. They used to send someone to pick you up, usher you past the waiting line right to a table. Not sure if they do that anymore, it's been so long. But wonderful food.
 
cowman said:
I've found that the secret to operating VFR near bravo airspace is to just get on flight following, give them your destination, and fly towards it until you either need a clearance or they tell you what they want you to do.

So far that's worked out.
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Funny, I tried that technique last summer with STL approach and they blew it. Approaching from the SW headed to St Charles, I called up STL approach for a bit of help thru their Class B. Requested Class B clearance, assigned a squawk, radar contact and all that... and that was it. No Class B clearance. When I repeated my request I was ignored. So, at the last minute I dove below the outer shelf, squawked 1200, called SUS tower and went my own way underneath Class B. Needless to say I was unimpressed with that STL controller...
 
STL is as benign as they come. You shouldn't have a problem getting a clearance.
 
From the North or North East if at or above 3,500 call approach on 124.2 (119.15 if above 5,500). You'll get a clearance to enter, at or above 3,500, direct Cardinal VOR CSX/116.45 with an outbound heading of 220/230. When south of STL you'll be given altitude your discretion, pending traffic conflicts then hopefully if no STL south props if STL is on 30's or SUS 26 arrivals be cut loose almost immediately to 1H0. If approaching from more the North East, over CSX just adds mileage unless you'd prefer that to stay higher.

jbDC9 said:
Funny, I tried that technique last summer with STL approach and they blew it. Approaching from the SW headed to St Charles, I called up STL approach for a bit of help thru their Class B. Requested Class B clearance, assigned a squawk, radar contact and all that... and that was it. No Class B clearance. When I repeated my request I was ignored. So, at the last minute I dove below the outer shelf, squawked 1200, called SUS tower and went my own way underneath Class B. Needless to say I was unimpressed with that STL controller...
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Anywhere that would place you in SUS airspace en-route to SET would take you through the STL Arrival/Departure corridor depending on flow. Its doable, but on 12's would necessarily place you crossing STL's 7 mile final, if in the Bravo 2,000 feet or above (I'm rounding) Airliners RA often with anything less than 1,000 vertical despite approved sep in the case being 500 feet. Arrivals will necessarily be a good bit above glide slope in 12R or worse off if a a 11 arrival, as in over the marker 600ish feet above glide slope as they pass over you.If STL was on 30's you mentioned summer. You should see how slowly an RJ climbs in 90 degree plus weather. if departing 29 there is a chance they'd pass below you if you're at 2,000 :) That bravo clearance would actually require stopping all departures or risk a midair.

TL/DR an SUS area to SET bravo clearance is doable, but if there is any traffic its going to seriously impact other sectors/stop STL departures or risk go arounds due to too high/unstable approaches.
 
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