Pilots...what are your pet peeves?

It's annoying on a CAVU day to be told over and over to maintain VFR, but I forgive the controllers who are probably buried in a bunker in front of a screen and can't see there isn't a cloud to be found...


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It's annoying on a CAVU day to be told over and over to maintain VFR, but I forgive the controllers who are probably buried in a bunker in front of a screen and can't see there isn't a cloud to be found...


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Required IAW FAA 7110.65 (Controller Handbook).
 
Oh I understand. It's still annoying. But while I have you here, when is it required? It's not like I hear it with every transmission. What triggers having to say it, generally?


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I understand now.

Do you work at the Kensington mine?

No, I work at the other mine GCM. Normally a 40 min boat ride then a 40 min bus ride to get to the mine. The main boat is down right now and the back up boat is 20 min slower...:(
 
No, I work at the other mine GCM. Normally a 40 min boat ride then a 40 min bus ride to get to the mine. The main boat is down right now and the back up boat is 20 min slower...:(

What do they mine for? never mind, just looked it up. GOLD!! Is it like "Paint Your Wagon" boom town there? LOL
 
Gonna paint your wagon, gonna paint it fine,
Gonna use an oil base paint because its made of pine.!!!

 
What do they mine for? never mind, just looked it up. GOLD!! Is it like "Paint Your Wagon" boom town there? LOL

Actually GCM mines four metals. It's a silver mine, with gold, zinc and lead. They say the gold pays every body's salary for the year and the other 3 metals pay for the overhead with a good profit.
 
Don't know the exact paragraph, but when you radar identify a VFR I recall having to say maintain VFR. Been out since '88 so perhaps I'm wrong.

Yeah. I wouldn't bet a whole paycheck one way or the other on that right now. What the Peeve is, is asking a VFR airplane if they "have the terrain in sight."
 
If the plane is close to terrain I can see a controller asking that, just to ensure the pilot is aware of it.
 
I flew outta Juneau over the summer. It was the first summer in Ak where I never picked up any ice.

But in Juneau I saw more rain in the first 10 days then I have seen in the last 10 years here in the high desert of the southwest....:lol:

Wondering if you used NOAA's aviation weather site and the AV cam weather site. They have come a long way in making Alaska flying safer.
 
Wondering if you used NOAA's aviation weather site and the AV cam weather site. They have come a long way in making Alaska flying safer.

Yes I did use the wx cams. Really makes the go-no go easier. Also a few of the AT&T tower cams came in real handy.

Back in the day up on the slope it was get in and go and see what it is like. Seems I was the one that always found the ice. Along with moving map and ADS-B it made flying in the southeast a real no brainer. With the FM radio we could call dispatch while in the air and get them to look at the camera to see how the wx is at the destination.
 
Yes I did use the wx cams. Really makes the go-no go easier. Also a few of the AT&T tower cams came in real handy.

Back in the day up on the slope it was get in and go and see what it is like. Seems I was the one that always found the ice. Along with moving map and ADS-B it made flying in the southeast a real no brainer. With the FM radio we could call dispatch while in the air and get them to look at the camera to see how the wx is at the destination.

Very cool.....;)
 
People don't need to say anything to me. I can read what they're saying by the look on their faces lol.

I'll admit to probably having a funny look on my face with a very young republic crew one time. The difference is, being a pilot, my face is usually caused by me thinking, "Oh holy crap, I'm old." LOL
 
If the plane is close to terrain I can see a controller asking that, just to ensure the pilot is aware of it.
I usually try to reply that I have a wonderful view of <insert mountain name here>. I know the controller is just doing their job. I also know they work in a dark windowless room. It'll either stir their imagination and make the day go better or it'll annoy them slightly or they'll just hear the acknowledgement and move on.
 
People who call themselves "captain" on pilots boards when they're not.

Oh wait..

No...

That's Levy's peeve not mine.

I really don't care! Call yourself "pope" if you want.

:)
 
I usually try to reply that I have a wonderful view of <insert mountain name here>. I know the controller is just doing their job. I also know they work in a dark windowless room. It'll either stir their imagination and make the day go better or it'll annoy them slightly or they'll just hear the acknowledgement and move on.

That's like the Vegas controller who asked if I had the 737 aimed right at me after dark in sight...

Yeah I might miss that five-billion candlepower lighting system meant for seeing snippets of runways in fog so thick you can't walk in it, pointed at me... nope, don't see him at all.

Or as Bill Engvall would say, Here's your sign.

I knew that poor bastard hadn't seen the sun in eight hours and with his schedule, his circadian rhythm was more like someone totally stoned in Jamaica beating on bongo drums in his head randomly, than a nice ticking clock with mickey's hands on the twelve and the eight...

But there's still a tiny evil voice that wants to say, "Looking..." and let him sweat it out a bit until the closure is just a mile or two outside of when the snitch is going to go off and give him chronic high blood pressure that a computer is a beep away from ending his career...

Hahaha. Sorry. I may have just finished watching a Joe Rogan stand up routine. Just jokes folks, just jokes... I don't really say this **** to anyone...!

Note to self: Watch more Engvall and less Rogan. Engvall is nicer about it. :)
 
But there's still a tiny evil voice that wants to say, "Looking..." and let him sweat it out a bit until the closure is just a mile or two outside of when the snitch is going to go off and give him chronic high blood pressure that a computer is a beep away from ending his career...
Be sure to turn off your transponder, too. Anything worth doing is worth over-doing.
 
Today reminded me of one. And take this with a grain of salt. Most days it is just slightly annoying background noise. Occasionally though it is "Shuutt Upp!"....in my mind.
You are on center and every last flight that checks in is badgering the poor controller for a ride report. The poor bast - um, controller is getting the exact same request "any ride reports ahead?!" or "where are the good rides??"; Every. Three. Minutes. ...for hours! And the response is so often, "All altitudes, all across my sector are like that".
I feel for the controller. I suspect it uses up 40% of the airtime and his/her effort some days.
Does dispatch not give the pilots the 'moderate turbulence airmets across the entire route" airmets before they leave?
Do they really have to pander so, to the cargo in the back?
It's an AIRPLANE! It's in a huge swirling sea of moving air! You are going to get some bumps, some choppiness! When you are on a ship, do you expect the captain to search out the flat part of the sea? When in a car, do you really expect to experience No Bumps? See that belt thingy with the metal ends? It is your SEATBELT; put it on tight and read your magazine! Thank your stars it is not the 40's where you would be down at 10,000 feet, in Real Bumps; for hours!
 
Does dispatch not give the pilots the 'moderate turbulence airmets across the entire route" airmets before they leave?

The problem is that it's like convective activity in that it's always changing. So telling us that there are widespread areas of moderate doesn't really mean anything other than perhaps choosing a different initial altitude and giving the FAs a heads up during the briefing. The decision making happens once we're actually there. If the FAs have to be seated for the entire flight because the ride sucks, so be it. But if we can find a window of light chop or better somewhere, it's nice to know so we can get the passengers served.

But yeah, I feel for the controllers as well. Especially when Delta checks in. ;)
 
SWA: Got any shortcuts?
SKW (sorry Jonesy): Center: say speed
Uhhhh 250, what do you need?
 
The problem is that it's like convective activity in that it's always changing. So telling us that there are widespread areas of moderate doesn't really mean anything other than perhaps choosing a different initial altitude and giving the FAs a heads up during the briefing. The decision making happens once we're actually there. If the FAs have to be seated for the entire flight because the ride sucks, so be it. But if we can find a window of light chop or better somewhere, it's nice to know so we can get the passengers served.

But yeah, I feel for the controllers as well. Especially when Delta checks in. ;)

Cough, PIREPs, cough.

(Pet peeve, nobody does them anymore. Most are entered into the system by controllers these days, it seems.)
 
I still get on Radio and give PIREPS all the time. Maybe I'm just ol skool I guess.
 
Guard poliece... who 'poliece' guard when someone is using it for its intended purpose.
 
Guard poliece... who 'poliece' guard when someone is using it for its intended purpose.

"Shut up, I'm reporting an emergency" should suffice for those idiots.

On the other hand, people discussing what they will do at their destination doesn't belong on guard . . .
 
"Shut up, I'm reporting an emergency" should suffice for those idiots.

On the other hand, people discussing what they will do at their destination doesn't belong on guard . . .
Unless that activity involves heavy vehicles with flashing lights....
 
"Caution bird activity in the vicinity of the airport."

Completely unnecessary on an ATIS. Sure they can be dangerous if you hit one, but if you're flying and one gets in your way there ain't a whole lot you can do to avoid it. Plus they're real hard to see until it's too late.
 
"Caution bird activity in the vicinity of the airport."

Completely unnecessary on an ATIS. Sure they can be dangerous if you hit one, but if you're flying and one gets in your way there ain't a whole lot you can do to avoid it. Plus they're real hard to see until it's too late.

Kinda disagree. When it says that they are probably referring to flocks. I wanna know.


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"Caution bird activity in the vicinity of the airport."

Completely unnecessary on an ATIS. Sure they can be dangerous if you hit one, but if you're flying and one gets in your way there ain't a whole lot you can do to avoid it. Plus they're real hard to see until it's too late.

Depends on the bird.

I can see the %(@#$^ Canada geese resting on the runway at Palo Alto, and go around or land long. They can't climb fast enough to be a problem. And you can spot them pretty far off even if they are flying.
 
Where I got my license and bought my plane, there would often be flocks of ~30 turkey vultures circling and drifting slowly past the airport. It was always nice to know they were around, big enough to see from a couple of miles away is also big enough to do some damage. I've had them collapse and dive to escape me when I was a wingspan away and 20 feet below them . . .
 
It's minor. Also they only do it like 40% of the time so it isn't a matter of prescribed phraseology. They don't have to tell you descent your discretion if all I'm doing is a courtesy call to let them know I'm beginning descent.

If you're on FF here, handoff to Class C to transition to cross the mountains to the home airport 10 miles from the mountain often results in "restricted" altitude and you're stuck at 8500 or 10500 10 miles away from a field at 4000 MSL. If you try to be slick and descend before the handoff, you end up doing it 50 miles early and usually end up vectored into Mexican airspace over Juarez Mexico.:mad:

Yeah. I wouldn't bet a whole paycheck one way or the other on that right now. What the Peeve is, is asking a VFR airplane if they "have the terrain in sight."

"Cessna 12345, are you familiar with terrain along your route" is my only pet peeve. I wish I could key up and respond, "He's supposed to be if he did any type of pre-flight planning at all.".:rolleyes:
 
Always cracked me up when I nonrev'd and the pilots were both female. Even had a few passengers ask me (I was in uniform) if they were safe...I always answered "why wouldn't they be"? They never would respond.
Reminds me of the story told by my uncle; He was working for United, had just returned from London to Chicago, and was off duty, catching a flight home to DEN. Out of uniform, and sitting in the back. It seems the pilot for that flight had been delayed somewhere else due to WX.
FA came to him, explained the situation, and asked him to take the left seat for the trip, or there would be a several hour delay. His reply: "Hey!! That'd be great!! I allways wanted to fly one of these things!! Which way to the front!!?" He said the looks on the faces of pax within earshot was priceless. He made his way upfront, and into the cockpit, and off they went. On Time no less.
 
Here is a pet peeve I didn't even know I had until checking into POA this morning: guys that sell AOA devices on POA, while pretending they're here for "a discussion".
 
Here is a pet peeve I didn't even know I had until checking into POA this morning: guys that sell AOA devices on POA, while pretending they're here for "a discussion".

Maui Wowie must not hawk, I mean sell, uh, work on Sundays. Maybe a breather today.
 
Maui Wowie must not hawk, I mean sell, uh, work on Sundays. Maybe a breather today.
We can only hope. I've been on this site for over a year, and he just became the first person on this site I placed on "ignore".
 
I only described how to put him on ignore but I didn't. The entertainment value is too great and if he keeps posting in the wrong forum, the "problem" will take care of itself naturally.
 
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