can an LLC owning an experimental A/C get paid ?

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Can an LLC owning an experimental A/C get paid for displaying an advertisement in form of a company logo on the side of the airplane? What does FAA say about it? Where do I look? thanks!
 
Check 91.319. Talks about Limitations of Exp-AB aircraft.
 
Most likely answer is NO..

My rational is that advertising is commercial activity, and no commercial activity is allowed in experimentals. The only exception is transition training under a LODA, but it's highly unlikely to get a LODA for advertising (and certainly not for banner towing).

All that withstanding: If it is the LLC's aircraft and they are showing a logo that is not blatant advertisement you can maybe get away with it. URL's and Phone Numbers might not be low key enough.
 
Is there a prohibition in the regs against anything besides carrying persons or property for hire? If not, would such logos qualify as carrying persons or property? If not, then how would it be prohibited? Just curious.
 
thanks to everyone who has responded. I haven't seen anything in the regs that would prohibit this... The pilot isn't getting paid, the LLC is... also, how is displaying a small Corp logo on the side of an aircraft is different from sponsorship ? :dunno:
 
rolivi said:
Most likely answer is NO..

My rational is that advertising is commercial activity, and no commercial activity is allowed in experimentals. The only exception is transition training under a LODA, but it's highly unlikely to get a LODA for advertising (and certainly not for banner towing).

All that withstanding: If it is the LLC's aircraft and they are showing a logo that is not blatant advertisement you can maybe get away with it. URL's and Phone Numbers might not be low key enough.
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Where is the prohibition on all commercial activity in experimentals?
 
In my Op-Lims for Phase 2 flight it states in item 1 "No person may operate this aircraft for other than the purpose of meeting the requirements of 14 CFR 91.319(b) during phase 1 flight testing, and for recreation or education after meeting these requirements"

Then in item 11 "No person may operate this aircraft for carrying persons or property for compensation or hire."

Arguably, a logo is not "carrying property," but I don't know to squeeze into flying for "recreation or education" as the purpose.

BICBW.
 
rolivi said:
Sponsorship is not the same as advertising. Knowing the rules would be important, for sure.
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it is? funny then how every sponsor has a big logo on the aircraft somewhere. thats exactly what sponsorship is, advertising.

also, my op-specs say the same thing, no carrying persons or property for hire. advertising on the side of the plane is not carrying persons or property for hire, its just somebody paying for my paint job.
bob
 
rolivi said:
In my Op-Lims for Phase 2 flight it states in item 1 "No person may operate this aircraft for other than the purpose of meeting the requirements of 14 CFR 91.319(b) during phase 1 flight testing, and for recreation or education after meeting these requirements"

Then in item 11 "No person may operate this aircraft for carrying persons or property for compensation or hire."

Arguably, a logo is not "carrying property," but I don't know to squeeze into flying for "recreation or education" as the purpose.

BICBW.
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Yeah. You're wrong. There are lots of experimental exhibition and restricted use aircraft generating revenue in commercial ops.
 
unsafervguy said:
it is? funny then how every sponsor has a big logo on the aircraft somewhere. thats exactly what sponsorship is, advertising.

also, my op-specs say the same thing, no carrying persons or property for hire. advertising on the side of the plane is not carrying persons or property for hire, its just somebody paying for my paint job.
bob
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Your post implies you know the rules which allow this activity. That would be a nice addition.

Unfortunately you quoted me saying "Sponsorship is not the same advertising" and started with "it is"? What's you point?
 
rolivi said:
Most likely answer is NO..

My rational is that advertising is commercial activity, and no commercial activity is allowed in experimentals. The only exception is transition training under a LODA, but it's highly unlikely to get a LODA for advertising (and certainly not for banner towing).

All that withstanding: If it is the LLC's aircraft and they are showing a logo that is not blatant advertisement you can maybe get away with it. URL's and Phone Numbers might not be low key enough.
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the rules have been quoted, there is no prohibition of commercial activity in an experimental. 1st there are various types of experimental. exhibition and racing all have sponsorship and advertising on them and are used in commercial operations, IE airshows. EAB is only limited by what is written in the op-specs for the aircraft. as I, and others have quoted, mine says "no carriage of persons or property for hire". that's it. there are plenty of EAB's that carry advertisments for various companies. team aerodynamics comes to mind. they are all EAB and operate for pay at airshows with sponsorship. but they do not carry any person or property for hire during the airshow so they are operating within their op-specs.

bob
 
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