AOPA Membership Dues increase

If it was 19.95 and now 60 bucks...... That is 300 % greater ... No..:dunno::confused:

No. An increase from $20 to $60 is a $40 increase, or 200% greater.

We've been bombarded with dishonest ads from car dealers and politicians for so many years we can't do honest math anymore.
 
I agree with Tim. A few hundred resignations won't impact such a huge organization. But, after having been a member for several years, the huge dues increase just became the stick that broke this camels' back. Let mine run out in December also.
 
238 comments. Is AOPA listening?


Actually for a while one of the staffers was here replying to various threads and seemed a very nice person, but... at least for my tastes, ultimately the problems they have were way outside of her ability to change them.

They did start up those monthly "what value are you getting from your membership" spam/cough/informational emails, which certainly for me, backfired. They had very little content and actually highlighted that the organization isn't going anywhere but toward being a paid legal services front end marketer and a paid service to try to beat the FAA Medical powers that be, back with a very weak stick.

Frankly if any of us finds ourselves needing significant legal services as a result of recreational flying or gets hit with something bigger medically than say someone like Doc Bruce can't help with, we're done anyway. Even the most fiscally well off of us isn't going to throw mountains of good money after bad. Many of us will give it a good shot, but as the digits hit five and then six paying the lawyers or the docs, everyone eventually will bail other than the die-hardest of die-hards.

Paying AOPA money every year to be represented and to have them hit you up for "protection" money on top of that, feels mobish to me. Or at least really stupid and working against your own interests.

That's why I'm done with them. Others can do as they see fit.

Oh. Almost forgot. The regional fly-ins were a good idea. Then they skipped the entire center of the country except Texas, if you can call that central. That left a bad taste for me, too. The typical east coast planning that assumes everything from the midwest to the west coast, doesn't exist.

Just can't see the value anymore. My opinion only.
 
AOPA is dead. Totally dead. Buh-Bye.
I don't know why you would say that. To the people who benefit from its existence, it is hale and hardy. From the 2013 tax return:


  • Fuller collected $1.25M
  • Mark Baker collected $215K
  • Phil Boyer collected $275K
  • Yodice's law firm collected $425K, nothwithstanding the fact that AOPA has a chief counsel who took home $325K.
  • Over $6M was opaquely transferred to "related organizations" like AOPA Holdings Corporation, AOPA Service Corporation, etc. We don't get to see the tax returns or the salaries there.

Hardly dead. AOPA is very much alive and cutting paychecks with gusto! Oh, and of course they still have The Jet.

How long can it go on? Well, they have $70M in cash on hand. That's over four years of dues at the 2013 run rate. They also hold enough proxies to continue electing themselves for as long as they care to. So, with a little cost control and a continuing supply of "AOPA right or wrong!!" fanboys filling out those proxies and paying whatever dues are demanded, they can go on essentially forever.

I'd like to be dead like AOPA is dead!
 
I let my AOPA membership expire years ago and haven't missed it. The only thing I miss is the printed airport directory. I got a free trial membership last year, and went to the Plymouth Mass expo, and was underwhelmed.

I am now a proud member of EAA. This was my first year, and am about to renew without hesitation. Great educational programs, wonderful magazine that matches my interests as a GA flyer, free webinars online (don't even have to be an EAA member), and the stuff they fight for according to the magazine seems important to me.
 
I let my AOPA membership expire years ago and haven't missed it. The only thing I miss is the printed airport directory. I got a free trial membership last year, and went to the Plymouth Mass expo, and was underwhelmed.

I am now a proud member of EAA. This was my first year, and am about to renew without hesitation. Great educational programs, wonderful magazine that matches my interests as a GA flyer, free webinars online (don't even have to be an EAA member), and the stuff they fight for according to the magazine seems important to me.


Good for you.....:thumbsup:

I am impressed with the EAA so much..... I am Lifetime member....
 
I am on an automatic renewal program, and it's due in April or May. Out of curiosity, I am going to wait to see if they notify me of the increase before charging my Amex card.

After some of the hyper political things I've seen in their ebriefs and now this significant rather than incremental increase, I am pretty much done with them.
 
Well.... We had (User ID: Katie Pribyl) post in the beginning, but it must have gone right over her head, so they sent in Tom..... These AOPA employees that make a 6 figure yearly pay will fight to keep the gravy train rolling...

I commend them for their fight.... BUT.... In reality, their "large" salary is the act that will break the camels back.......

For the poster who mentioned DC has having very high cost of living, he/she is probably right... But any ORG who is needing to raise yearly dues 30% to be able to sustain, really needs to rethink their location so they can reduce costs immensely...... No need for them to be based in DC at all... Position a few lobbyists close to the beltway and have the main office in a less expensive place like Kearney Nebraska, or Wellington Kansas... You pick a cheap place to live and they should move there TOMMOROW... IMHO...
Yeah but then the peanut gallery will complain about N4GA flying back to DC too much;)
 
Yeah but then the peanut gallery will complain about N4GA flying back to DC too much;)

This peanut has gone electronic. I give classes in tech to a widely dispersed audience via Lync or GoToMeeting. You can buy many, many hours of conference time for the direct cost of one hour running N4GA. Not many meetings these days need physical attendance to get the point across. If that's needed, then leave a lobbyist in DC for that purpose.
 
This peanut has gone electronic. I give classes in tech to a widely dispersed audience via Lync or GoToMeeting. You can buy many, many hours of conference time for the direct cost of one hour running N4GA. Not many meetings these days need physical attendance to get the point across. If that's needed, then leave a lobbyist in DC for that purpose.

I agree that tech can be used greatly to advance a cause, but I can tell you from working with State Gov.(Fed Gov. prolly the same) as much as we all hate the way Gov. and it's people work ,you need to meet face to face, rub elbows with the people we've all elected.
It's way to easy to hit the delete button.
I will say thank you to Katie and Tom for posting to us. I will also thank Mark for the new direction AOPA seems to be taking.
It is so very interesting to hear all the bashing of AOPA from some of the posters here.
I would like to ask the POA peanut Gallery : So what are you doing for GA?
Let's put our money where our mouth is.
Let me start.
I'm an 8y year private pilot
I belong to AOPA
EAA and a local chapter member also
I bought a grass strip that was closed and reopened to the public
Michigan Liaison for the Rec. Aviation Assoc, RAF(soon to open 2 new airstrips in Mi.)
Mi. Dept. of Aeronautics GA Comittee member
Not bragging, just asking politely what have you done for GA ?
All you ticked off pilots please list your accomplishments besides boring holes in the sky.
Let's show Katie and Tom all we've done for our love of aviation.
 
I agree that tech can be used greatly to advance a cause, but I can tell you from working with State Gov.(Fed Gov. prolly the same) as much as we all hate the way Gov. and it's people work ,you need to meet face to face, rub elbows with the people we've all elected.
It's way to easy to hit the delete button.
I will say thank you to Katie and Tom for posting to us. I will also thank Mark for the new direction AOPA seems to be taking.
It is so very interesting to hear all the bashing of AOPA from some of the posters here.
I would like to ask the POA peanut Gallery : So what are you doing for GA?
Let's put our money where our mouth is.
Let me start.
I'm an 8y year private pilot
I belong to AOPA
EAA and a local chapter member also
I bought a grass strip that was closed and reopened to the public
Michigan Liaison for the Rec. Aviation Assoc, RAF(soon to open 2 new airstrips in Mi.)
Mi. Dept. of Aeronautics GA Comittee member
Not bragging, just asking politely what have you done for GA ?
All you ticked off pilots please list your accomplishments besides boring holes in the sky.
Let's show Katie and Tom all we've done for our love of aviation.

I have done most of what you have, so we are doing our part in helping GA stay viable...

I will gain ALOT more respect if APOA can get the 3rd class medical deal pushed over the goal line and into the books.....


Ball is in their court now.....
 
I agree that tech can be used greatly to advance a cause, but I can tell you from working with State Gov.(Fed Gov. prolly the same) as much as we all hate the way Gov. and it's people work ,you need to meet face to face, rub elbows with the people we've all elected.


I would like to ask the POA peanut Gallery : So what are you doing for GA?
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Agreed about the style in DC. I'v seen it before, that's why I made the lobbyist comment. More important than face to face these days is dollar for dollar. The one thing that legislators respect more than anything is campaign contributions. Which is something that AOPA has tons of, and for some reason, they spend most of it internally when it could be well used to buy the audience I need for things like getting rid of the III class med, restricting the req of ADS-B, and a host of other GA issues.

As for what I've done for GA the answer is not a damn thing politically. I buy gas and pay my gas taxes, I buy aviation products as needed. I rant on here and make my point known, and that's about it. GA doesn't exist because of a bunch of banner-waving pilots, it exists in this country because we have a program of negative powers(some mistakenly call it negative rights) granted to politicians to restrict some liberties for the benefit of the whole.

I comply with the FARs because it promotes safety in aviation. When those negative powers expand to things like requiring permission to fly OUT of the country, it serves no safety purpose, and only reduces the liberty of the public against all reason. Imagine for a second if the feds did the same for private autos leaving the US? There would be a hue and cry so loud that legislator(or crat, more likely) would be gone, gone, gone.

It's very sad that we have only one advocacy organization that is so inept they've led us down the path to regulation at almost every turn. Rather than fight for the rights of pilots, the AOPA is in the business of selling regulation TO the pilots as a way that we be allowed to still fly. Complete backward thinking, and why I no longer support AOPA.
 
I let my AOPA membership expire years ago and haven't missed it [...] I am now a proud member of EAA.
I don't fault anyone for their choices either way but I'll offer a counterpoint. I cancelled my EAA membership and cut up my tech counselor card when the EAA announced that it was collaborating with Jim Campbell on a guide to light aircraft. Not surprising that the collaboration never materialized but that bit of poor judgement was enough for me. Still an AOPA member.

Nauga,
who never got the cheap suit he was promised :rolleyes:
 
Was out of the cockpit for 20 years. Was an AOPA member back then. When I came back I looked at both the AOPA and EAA and went with the EAA. More to my interest.

The AOPA reminds me a bit of the NRA (who I have supported from time to time over the years). They make some small wins here and there but constantly have their hand out telling you about all the things they have done for you and how the sky will fall if you don't continue to give them your hard earned money. Let's face it if they solved all of the problems of GA they would have less leverage to ask you for money so what's the incentive?

Seems to me if they really had any pull the 3rd class medical would be a done deal and through congress not the FAA. Sorry, just not seeing it.
 
The attached list of AOPA salaries from its 2012 IRS 990 return is the reason I let my membership lapse.

Wow. Why the hell is AOPA spending THREE HUNDRED GRAND on a "Senior VP of Human Resources". You've got to be kidding me. I just can't see needing someone that good to manage the HR people who then in turn handle HR for 200 employees.
 
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Haven't been a member of AOPA in a few years. That said, if we actually get medical reform it will be a big win for them. There is no way you can say they didn't get the ball rolling. Might even re-up my membership. Then again, I might not.

I certainly don't walk the walk like Brad does. Few do.
 
Wow. Why the hell is AOPA spending THREE HUNDRED GRAND on a "Senior VP of Human Resources". You've got to be kidding me. I just can't see needing someone that good to manage the HR people who then in turn handle HR for 200 employees.

You are going to spoil the gravy train.

Think about it. All that cash for basically zero liability.

There are hard working people who handle $80k airplane parts all day long that make about $18/hr to $22/hr and the risks couldn't be higher.

How many surgeons make that anymore? After paying insurance?
 
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You are going to spoil the gravy train.

Think about it. All that cash for basically zero liability.

There are hard working people who handle $80k airplane parts all day long that make about $18/hr to $22/hr and the risks couldn't be higher.

How many surgeons make that anymore? After paying insurance?

Quite a few. The good ones.
Have any of you priced what VPs make in private business? They aren't cheap. If you want to hire good people, you need to pay for it.

Now, if you're not getting your money's worth, that's a different conversation.
I'm a new pilot, and signed up AOPA. I used to belong to the AMA, but dropped that when it was not longer required for racing. The AMA offered insurance for race organizations, but they went off the rails with stupid expensive lawsuits that they lost, and basically killed motorcycle road racing in the US. That and the whole "loud pipes saves lives" crap they pushed for many years...

AOPA sounds like they're jumping the shark, just like the AMA. That is a HUGE amount of cash to have in the bank. And to have private jets/planes at their disposal? I'm sure it'd be MUCH cheaper for them to fly coach. There's a way to save some $.

3rd class medical? Sure, that's important... I'd rather see them fight for some deregulation in GA. Make it easier to new technologies to get into our certified planes. Having to pay 10x the cost of non-aviation items just because they're "certified" is asinine. New airplanes coming out with 1940's technology in the engine compartment? 100LL still being burned? There's a ton of issues I'd love to see them go after. I see very little of that on their website.

Costs of GA keep going up. I'm not sure I see anything from AOPA to fight that.
 
Ectually, it's almost off the charts high at $300k. That's near the 90th percentile in pay.

http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/...s-Executive-Salary-Details-Washington-DC.aspx

For a company with ~200 empl it would be considered sky-high compensation. The low turnover, and centralized structure of AOPA remove a lot of tough HR issues like differing state laws, distance empl recognition, etc. Pretty much all AOPA emp are in a few buildings within a mile or so of each other. Exec mgmt of HR in that size could be done for under $100k, if you scrimp, and maybe $125k for a decent veep.
 
... Why the hell is AOPA spending THREE HUNDRED GRAND on a "Senior VP of Human Resources" ...
Personnel weenies are a dime a dozen. One can be had for whatever price one chooses to pay. For a tiny and simple organization like AOPA, the job is neither critical nor difficult, except of course in the matter of designing deferred comp packages for the big guns feeding at the trough.

The answer to "why" may be that this particular one is son, daughter, spouse, or otherwise connected to someone with power in AOPA. Or it may be simply that they have so much money that they don't even consider value in deciding what to pay people. Due to the opaque governance of the organization, no mere member will ever know.
 
Ectually, it's almost off the charts high at $300k. That's near the 90th percentile in pay.

http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/...s-Executive-Salary-Details-Washington-DC.aspx

For a company with ~200 empl it would be considered sky-high compensation. The low turnover, and centralized structure of AOPA remove a lot of tough HR issues like differing state laws, distance empl recognition, etc. Pretty much all AOPA emp are in a few buildings within a mile or so of each other. Exec mgmt of HR in that size could be done for under $100k, if you scrimp, and maybe $125k for a decent veep.

Personnel weenies are a dime a dozen. One can be had for whatever price one chooses to pay. For a tiny and simple organization like AOPA, the job is neither critical nor difficult, except of course in the matter of designing deferred comp packages for the big guns feeding at the trough.

The answer to "why" may be that this particular one is son, daughter, spouse, or otherwise connected to someone with power in AOPA. Or it may be simply that they have so much money that they don't even consider value in deciding what to pay people. Due to the opaque governance of the organization, no mere member will ever know.

Exactly, it's just crazy to dump that much money into a HR VP, esp. when you already have a CFO and a COO. There just can't possibly be that much difficult work requiring guns that big to manage. It's not like that one person handles everything HR. There are HR people UNDERNEATH that $300k.

Now if they had oh say 5,000 employees I wouldn't consider it out of line.
 
Quite a few. The good ones.
Have any of you priced what VPs make in private business? They aren't cheap. If you want to hire good people, you need to pay for it.

For managing 200 people, some of which may be HR personnel as well? We have double that number of employees for just our division (oil & gas manufacturing) and pay half of that for our HR manager. There's no reason for a $300K HR person at AOPA, nor is there a reason for $1M+ for a CEO/COO/etc. either. However, I can't fault them for taking those wages as no one turns down more money.
 
So in a couple of hours we've seen two responses to my asking" what have you done to promote GA?
I think( at least in my opinion) that many if not most of you have done zero. So no matter what you think of AOPA and how much they have done or not done for you it is definitely more than you've done for GA other than as I said boring holes in the sky.
If you're worried about the money I would take a look at the US Gov. or many businesses there is waste or abuse in it all.
I like the idea a few of you had about rejoining if certain things were accomplished. I would write Mark Baker and let them know you're serious and will follow through.
Do you really know how long it takes to get things done in Washington? By the time lobbyists get things lined up hey let's have another election ,get a new load of the elected or a new make up of committees , the AOPA fights a dog chasing its own tail
I would guess that AOPA does much more for you than you think. I think Katie and Tom has enlightened us somewhat. No organization is perfect nor is any person ,but I think Mark Baker has AOPA turning the corner.
I am interested in what all the complainers want to get done or correct also but pulling your pittance of $59 hurt's GA more than what you intend.
By the way Thank You Ben for what you've done and Doc at least thanks for your honesty.
At the moment we have only AOPA in Washington and $59 is a small amount to spend for GA even if they're not getting everything done according to your financial opinions or timetable.
 
PFor a tiny and simple organization like AOPA, the job is neither critical nor difficult, except of course in the matter of designing deferred comp packages for the big guns feeding at the trough.

Comp pkgs, or golden parachutes are not usually done by the run of the mill HR exec inside the company. For most deals like that, it'll be done by the agent who reps the exec in advance with outside counsel or it'll be done by counsel for the company. HR can get in trouble when there's a conflict later. Depends on the company, but most fortune 100 use outside counsel for the appearance of legitimacy, and avoidance of having to explain your actions in front of a civil(or grand) jury.
 
I listed my gripes with AOPA already, and yes I sent them an email with those so I won't repeat it here.

I would not guess, but I know that AOPA has accomplished very little of benefit to the flying public. Their endorsement, nee - advancement of ADS-B is a microcosm of what's wrong over there, but it's been beat to death so meh - whatev. The only meaningful legislation in the past ~10 years has been the PBOR, and that was pushed hard by one Senator, for one specific reason. Otherwise, it would have languished on the sidelines forever. Said senator had an ax to grind, and there's was plenty of quid-pro-quo for votes along the way, so I'm not even sure the PBOR was worth what we had to give up to gain passage, but it is what it is, and better(slightly) than nothing. At least they now have to keep and supply evidence which may show lack of guilt which is the standard for every other US court in the country anyway.

When it comes to 'what have to done for me lately' -- look, I'm not on this big blue sphere to benefit AOPA or the fedguv. It's supposed to be the other way around, but like most relationships, the symbiosis has changed, and now they are the sucker fish to the shark, or the tapeworm in the intestine of the body, feeding off the spoils of the host.
 
I listed my gripes with AOPA already, and yes I sent them an email with those so I won't repeat it here.

I would not guess, but I know that AOPA has accomplished very little of benefit to the flying public. Their endorsement, nee - advancement of ADS-B is a microcosm of what's wrong over there, but it's been beat to death so meh - whatev. The only meaningful legislation in the past ~10 years has been the PBOR, and that was pushed hard by one Senator, for one specific reason. Otherwise, it would have languished on the sidelines forever. Said senator had an ax to grind, and there's was plenty of quid-pro-quo for votes along the way, so I'm not even sure the PBOR was worth what we had to give up to gain passage, but it is what it is, and better(slightly) than nothing. At least they now have to keep and supply evidence which may show lack of guilt which is the standard for every other US court in the country anyway.

When it comes to 'what have to done for me lately' -- look, I'm not on this big blue sphere to benefit AOPA or the fedguv. It's supposed to be the other way around, but like most relationships, the symbiosis has changed, and now they are the sucker fish to the shark, or the tapeworm in the intestine of the body, feeding off the spoils of the host.

I not sure but maybe Aopa's fight to stop GA $100 per flight user fees come to mind. How many flights per year talking with ATC, heck even at 1 flight per month that's let's see $1200 - $59= $1141 per year they saved you.
This may not be accurate math for you but for me even one flight's savings almost pays for next years dues.
Yeah Life's a b***** when it comes to paying for all that's unfair, a gallon of auto gas should be what $1, a loaf of bread 50 cents. Those gas companies,farmer's etc. are raking us over the coals.
It's human nature to whine and complain till something is done about it, and then when an person or organization doesn't do it fast enough or cheap enough, we whine and complain about the one's trying to help.:mad2:
Why don't you call up AOPA and volunteer to be on a newly formed " member steering committee" I'll volunteer if you do;)
Seriously, I'm typing this with a smile:yes:
 
I would like to ask the POA peanut Gallery : So what are you doing for GA?
Let's put our money where our mouth is.

I volunteer managed our local city airport for over three years until the city proved to me that they had no intention of keeping it safe and wouldn't allocate money for me to do so (with my labor).

I'm on the board at another local airport.

A far cry from what you guys do but I try.

So in a couple of hours we've seen two responses to my asking" what have you done to promote GA?
I think( at least in my opinion) that many if not most of you have done zero. So no matter what you think of AOPA and how much they have done or not done for you it is definitely more than you've done for GA other than as I said boring holes in the sky.

I feel that these are two completely separate and distinct topics (what an individual has done vs. what AOPA has done). Regardless of what an individual has done, if they see no value in what AOPA is doing (or rather not doing) then there is still no reason for the individual to support AOPA. I'm a member but only because, as I age, having access to their approved drug database is worth $50/yr to me. I plan to drop the magazine, I can't remember the last time when I opened one, same old recycled articles.

Exactly, it's just crazy to dump that much money into a HR VP, esp. when you already have a CFO and a COO. There just can't possibly be that much difficult work requiring guns that big to manage. It's not like that one person handles everything HR. There are HR people UNDERNEATH that $300k.

Now if they had oh say 5,000 employees I wouldn't consider it out of line.

Especially when the entire pool of prospective employees constitutes the sons and daughters of the old guard. The nepotism at AOPA bothers me as much as anything.

But, I think the one thing that proves they are not in our corner, that we are just a commodity that they can sell, is the ads from scam artists that they allow to be run in their magazines. There have been, and continue to be, many. If AOPA were truly looking out for their members best interests, then they would not allow ads from companies trying to scam those members. That's a pretty simply equation. One must look no farther than the Pacific Health eyesight pill ads that regularly run (especially in the turbine edition) for evidence of this.
 
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Good evening – I’d like to address some of the most common themes that have surfaced on this thread over the last couple of days.

Flights of AOPA’s Citation (N4GA) are not blocked. You can see every single flight made by 4GA on FlightAware.com. In addition, Mark is using the Citation differently than it has been in the past. We’re flying ourselves when it makes the most sense, but we’re also taking the airlines more. Mark frequently travels by airline when the distances, location of stops, or number of travelers make that the smart decision. AOPA has sold the Caravan. In addition, we have two 172s and a 182. We use these aircraft for flight training, media flights, educational flights for government officials and elected officials, and to attend fly-ins and meetings in the Eastern region.

Some of you have referred to finding other sources of revenue besides dues. Non-dues revenue is important to AOPA and always has been. Member dues account for about 30% of our operating costs. The rest comes from other sources like advertising, sponsorships, and returns on the AOPA credit card. In the economic downturn, advertising has fallen across all categories. General aviation has been hit particularly hard, and GA companies have cut their ad spending dramatically. AOPA is lucky to continue to receive a big portion of GA advertising spending in our magazines, newsletters, and online, but we can’t ignore the fact that revenues are down.

The credit environment has also changed significantly in recent years (accounted for in the “royalties” category in the audited financial posted on AOPA.org), and we simply aren’t able to get the favorable returns on the AOPA credit card that we have in the past. This is true for “affinity cards” across all industries. In fact our revenue from the credit card is down close to 50% - over $5M.

So while these sources of non-dues revenue continue to be watched and managed closely, Mark Baker also recognized early that we needed to cut costs: Members said they wanted less mail and we listened, cutting our direct mail postage costs by close to 50%. We’ve also reduced staff travel and changed the way we use GA aircraft to maximize our efficiency – as I mentioned above. And we’ve reduced our staffing expenses, cutting payroll by $500,000 in 2014 and permanently eliminating four executive positions. We’ve even changed the way we handle our legal work, bringing much of it in house, to save money.

Someone mentioned the Colorado Pilots Association – Mark will be doing a PTH there on Saturday, June 21. We will be picking new locations for the 2015 regionals and I assure you that we will be in the West. I was born, raised and learned to fly in Montana. I love the West and as the lead of the events and outreach group, we didn’t purposely avoid the the Mountain states or Midwest– we love those states…especially me. There are many, many factors that go into choosing locations for these regional fly-ins. We have to be able to land and park up to 500 airplanes, park over 500 cars and accommodate over 2000 people. The airports must first be of a size to accommodate the fly-in, then we must consider weather patterns, airport improvement projects and we have to work around major GA events and other local fly-ins. It is a complicated chess game and we take location selection very seriously.

AOPA’s number one priority and Mark’s number one priority is our advocacy efforts. Its why we exist. I referred to Santa Monica in an early post in reference to how we responsibly use the reserve – which also gains investment revenue. A poster took my response and categorized it as a bizav issue only and made the assertion that we spend all our advocacy efforts on “high-end” GA issues. That is not at all the case. First, please research the activity at Santa Monica – the whole south end of the airport is light GA - we are trying to ensure that light GA remains an active and thriving part of SMO. If SMO closed, it would set a dangerous precedent for many other U.S. GA airports that are operating under the same conditions.

The most important point here is that AOPA’s entire advocacy department spends day in and day out on the following issues – none of which I would consider “bizav” issues:

AOPA is leading the ongoing efforts to reform the 3rd class medical. Within weeks of Mark starting last fall, he vowed to get the FAA to make a move on this issue and he has done just that. We aren’t there yet, but this is AOPA’s number 1 advocacy issue. Please visit our website for nearly weekly coverage/updates on this issue. Join us at one of the fly-ins or see us at AirVenture and sign our petition. There are bills in the House and Senate on 3rd class medical reform right now and the FAA has vowed to undertake rulemaking on this issue. We will push and push until we get it across the finish line. Our latest report: http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2014/May/29/Support-for-medical-reform-grows.aspx

AOPA was instrumental in efforts on curbing the FAA’s proposed new sleep apnea policy. Under the NEW draft guidelines announced April 1, pilots will not be disqualified based on body mass index (BMI) alone, and pilots will be issued medical certificates even if they are referred for additional evaluation. Read more here: http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2014/April/01/FAA-drafts-new-sleep-apnea-guidelines.aspx

We supported and participated in the passage of the Small Aircraft Revitalization Act (SARA), the 23 Certification Process Study, the Part 23 ARC and the ASTM F44 Committee. In fact, just today, we reported that the House passed a bill that directs the FAA to use funding to support the Small Airplane Revitalization Act, which would streamline Part 23 certification of small airplanes. Issues like rewriting certification rules for small airplanes take a combination of federal funding, FAA support and Congressional pressure. All three of those things exist and AOPA has been engaged in each aspect: http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/...ES-15pt7-BILLION-IN-FAA-FUNDING-FOR-2015.aspx

We’ve worked issues from airworthiness directives (most recently ECi and Superior AMOC) to the transition to the safe transition to an unleaded avgas (funding for the transition also included in the recent House bill). Additionally, AOPA has led the efforts with respect to the Airman Certification Systems and the transformation in the way the industry trains and tests future pilots. We also work a host of airport issues at GA airport throughout the U.S. ranging from hangar leases, encroachment to closures.

I post here and on the “red boards” – I learned to fly in high school, I am a CFII, flew CRJs for the airlines, worked at the FAA in safety systems, worked for the General Aviation Manufacturers Association for over 7 years and have been at AOPA for 2 years. I am an active and passionate pilot. I do this job and work for AOPA because I have a real passion for GA. If I didn’t think AOPA was effective and critical to ensuring GA is around for my grandchildren and great grandchildren, I wouldn’t be responding to this forum at this hour.

I look forward to future conversations with all of you.

Respectfully,
Katie

Katie Pribyl
VP Communications, AOPA
Katie, I'd like to thank you for posting on this somewhat hostile board.
I know that AOPA does more for us than we know,is probably a thankless job from some pilots. I for one thank you for what has been done for us and will thank you in advance for the changes recently in AOPA and it's impending new direction.
We have freedom of speech in this Country and some of us POA members are much less civil from behind the protection of a remote keyboard.
I'd also like to let you know it is a pleasure working with AOPA's Great Lakes Regional Bryan Budds
Thank You for help in a very tough GA world
Brad Frederick 05739065
 
... Why don't you call up AOPA and volunteer to be on a newly formed " member steering committee" I'll volunteer if you do ...
ROFL! AOPA will involve members in its governance shortly after we see pigs fly (with ADSB-Out). That, at the bottom, is the major problem with the organization. "Members" are simply revenue sources. Governance is opaquely managed by the insiders, perpetuated via their proxy scheme. (The proxy scheme is quite brilliant actually, and enables them to do whatever they like while pretending that it is a member organization.)
 
I would like to ask the POA peanut Gallery : So what are you doing for GA?


I'm keeping another Cessna from becoming ramp trash. Anyone wants a ride, I deal with getting them through the razor wire tighter than the local minimum security prison to get anywhere near a Cessna.

Beyond that, dunno. What do you recommend? I've already admitted were it not for pursuing aviation as a career once and then bailing, there's zero chance I would have paid today's prices.

Especially after I learned that a damned Ford alternator for $30 at AutoZone is what's on most airplanes, at a cost of $130 or more, because the alphabet groups apparently can't get enough clout to tell FAA which orifice to shove that kind of overbearing regulation and stupidity into.

Let alone demand some kind of real accounting of hard objectives and costs for exactly what ADS-B is supposed to accomplish.
 
The audited financials can be found under the Governance tab in the About section of the Web site. Here's a link to the 2013 financials: http://www.aopa.org/-/media/Files/AOPA/Home/About%20AOPA/Governance/AOPA%20Governance%20Page/AOPA_FS_2013.pdf

Tom
As I sent to Katie
Thank You for what you do, I am Thankful for AOPA.
Can it be more fiscally responsible,probably, can it be more efficient ,yeah.
I really can't imagine the pain of having to work daily with Washington and the whining GA pilots of the most expensive hobby on earth ;)
Think there could be a AOPA member steering committee formed? I may have found another volunteer for you. Volunteer N/C of course maybe the occasional use of N4GA;)
Thanks
Brad Frederick 05739065
 
I not sure but maybe Aopa's fight to stop GA $100 per flight user fees come to mind. How many flights per year talking with ATC, heck even at 1 flight per month that's let's see $1200 - $59= $1141 per year they saved you.

It's cute that you think AOPA could stop the feds from doing that if they wanted it done. I bet you can be found in a pumpkin patch on Oct 31st waiting for the Great Pumpkin.

It's also cute that you think I somehow owe GA something. I use my plane and the NAS like I use my cars, or skis, or belt sander. Do I owe Ford or TX-DOT, Rossignol, Keystone or Makita something?
 
I volunteer managed our local city airport for over three years until the city proved to me that they had no intention of keeping it safe and wouldn't allocate money for me to do so (with my labor).

I'm on the board at another local airport.

A far cry from what you guys do but I try.



I feel that these are two completely separate and distinct topics (what an individual has done vs. what AOPA has done). Regardless of what an individual has done, if they see no value in what AOPA is doing (or rather not doing) then there is still no reason for the individual to support AOPA. I'm a member but only because, as I age, having access to their approved drug database is worth $50/yr to me. I plan to drop the magazine, I can't remember the last time when I opened one, same old recycled articles.



Especially when the entire pool of prospective employees constitutes the sons and daughters of the old guard. The nepotism at AOPA bothers me as much as anything.

But, I think the one thing that proves they are not in our corner, that we are just a commodity that they can sell, is the ads from scam artists that they allow to be run in their magazines. There have been, and continue to be, many. If AOPA were truly looking out for their members best interests, then they would not allow ads from companies trying to scam those members. That's a pretty simply equation. One must look no farther than the Pacific Health eyesight pill ads that regularly run (especially in the turbine edition) for evidence of this.

Well Thank You Tim that's three of us now.
Change seems to be happening there and it takes time to unravel what may have been done in the past, as bad as it may seem to be" I'm not gonna throw out the baby with the bathwater"
I really don't like giving tens of thousands a year to the IRS, but it's still the best Country to live in. They are not spending it the way I want them to so it is with everything.( vote right(correct) or be left behind) note * not political
Similar thoughts for AOPA
On the magazine I'm only an 8 year pilot so still interesting to me, but have found the same with almost all magazines the longer you're into something the less "new stuff" there is. Same with fishing/hunting mags etc.
Seems though that as I hang around with more pilots I find out they know everything:wink2:
 
It's cute that you think AOPA could stop the feds from doing that if they wanted it done. I bet you can be found in a pumpkin patch on Oct 31st waiting for the Great Pumpkin.

It's also cute that you think I somehow owe GA something. I use my plane and the NAS like I use my cars, or skis, or belt sander. Do I owe Ford or TX-DOT, Rossignol, Keystone or Makita something?

How'd you know where I was on Oct.31st, I must have an ADS-B in/out up my ---uhhh pant leg and you have a NextGen Rx.;)

On user fees the Feds want them, when have you ever seen them turn down income, who besides AOPA and maybe secondary EAA have fought this? I'm sure they are the one's leaning on certain Reps and Senators.
As far as owing anybody else anything?
I'd thank them all. Ford ,your're probably driving something a bit better than a ModelT or worse yet your Grandpa's horse and buggy,Tx Dot , hard to drive that Model T 80 mph on Grandpa's roads, now don't tell me you're flying a Curtiss Pusher also.
Ski's, did you carve your own and walk up the ski hill? Makita , darn I've only got a 3M sanding block.
We all owe a lot of people for our cushy lives.
I suppose you don't owe GA anything if you don't want to, the way I look at it others are paying your way for you. It's ok though there are always givers and takers . I for one like to give, you choose your path , it's a free country that we owe a lot of people for, I was in the service maybe you were too,if so thanks:rolleyes:
 
I'm debating whether or not to renew my AOPA membership as they have not done much for GA
 
I volunteer managed our local city airport for over three years until the city proved to me that they had no intention of keeping it safe and wouldn't allocate money for me to do so (with my labor).

I'm on the board at another local airport.

A far cry from what you guys do but I try.



I feel that these are two completely separate and distinct topics (what an individual has done vs. what AOPA has done). Regardless of what an individual has done, if they see no value in what AOPA is doing (or rather not doing) then there is still no reason for the individual to support AOPA. I'm a member but only because, as I age, having access to their approved drug database is worth $50/yr to me. I plan to drop the magazine, I can't remember the last time when I opened one, same old recycled articles.



Especially when the entire pool of prospective employees constitutes the sons and daughters of the old guard. The nepotism at AOPA bothers me as much as anything.

But, I think the one thing that proves they are not in our corner, that we are just a commodity that they can sell, is the ads from scam artists that they allow to be run in their magazines. There have been, and continue to be, many. If AOPA were truly looking out for their members best interests, then they would not allow ads from companies trying to scam those members. That's a pretty simply equation. One must look no farther than the Pacific Health eyesight pill ads that regularly run (especially in the turbine edition) for evidence of this.
Forgot one other response, what I'm trying to say here is OK take AOPA out and all us pilots keep our $59, so what then,who's gonna take over, and if it's that bad why hasn't a competitor popped up. EAA has tried but membership wanted them to focus more on their roots, Experimental , and leave certified in the dust.
 
what I'm trying to say here is OK take AOPA out and all us pilots keep our $59, so what then,who's gonna take over, and if it's that bad why hasn't a competitor popped up.

Tim looks with eager anticipation in the direction of Grand Rapids, MI. :yes: :goofy:
 
I'm keeping another Cessna from becoming ramp trash. Anyone wants a ride, I deal with getting them through the razor wire tighter than the local minimum security prison to get anywhere near a Cessna.

Beyond that, dunno. What do you recommend? I've already admitted were it not for pursuing aviation as a career once and then bailing, there's zero chance I would have paid today's prices.

Especially after I learned that a damned Ford alternator for $30 at AutoZone is what's on most airplanes, at a cost of $130 or more, because the alphabet groups apparently can't get enough clout to tell FAA which orifice to shove that kind of overbearing regulation and stupidity into.

Let alone demand some kind of real accounting of hard objectives and costs for exactly what ADS-B is supposed to accomplish.

No doubt Aviation has morphed into a monster. In our early concerns for safety we in haste did not put any safeguards into the system to protect us from over regulation. There is no longer an accident, it must be someone else's fault, hence we have the present FAA, Trial Lawyers and Insurance Companies involved. Yep had my electric boost pump go out, bought one from Aircraft Spruce $89, when I got it, no paperwork, when I called them" Oh you want one with the paperwork" yeah those are $800. Finally found one elsewhere for a deal, $400. It was the exact same one as the $89 one, could even see the adhesive where they pulled the Automotive tag off and put the smaller PMA tag over the adhesive. Mechanic said if we put on the $89 one and I had an accident my insurance co. would probably not cover any claim if I lived. Heaven forbid I killed someone else, I'd probably go to prison.
Our forefathers set us on an unknown path that they would have addressed if they could see the future.
And it is not just in aviation.
The Founding Fathers of this Country would roll in their graves if they could see the total mess we're in.
Life is short, we do the best we can under the circumstances:dunno:
What can we do? I try and give more than I take and hopefully it pleases God, Odin,Buddha,Allah, Zeus or who ever gave this world a spin.
 
Tim looks with eager anticipation in the direction of Grand Rapids, MI. :yes: :goofy:

Tim ,Just did some quick calculating for the new B&T AOPA.
If we charge $39 to the what 400,000 pilots in the US that's $15.9 million
we can work out of the old school I already have in Sidnaw(6Y9), turf runway won't need jet. After our salaries that's what 13 mil to stuff in our pockets and head to Washington to buy us some clout with the politicos.
I think this may work
Attn . Unhappy with AOPA ,GA pilots please send your $39 dues to
Brad or Tim at
BTAOPA( or should we call it Utopia)
PO Box N4GA
Sidnaw Mi. 49961

We promise that even if we don't get much done at least we're a lot cheaper!!! Tim we just saved everyone $20, your a genius.
 
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