Jimmy cooper
En-Route
The bonanza is a Cadillac, the Cessna is a ford. Always has been.
The bonanza is a Cadillac, the Cessna is a ford. Always has been.
The bonanza is a Cadillac, the Cessna is a ford. Always has been.
Well, a friend of mine had the landing gear on his 182 fall off in flight... No I'm not kidding.
Here it is.... he had a bad day.
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20090406X12052&key=1
if 20 kts slower is considered "relatively close"...But like I said, now that a 182 can be modified enough to come relatively close to a Bonanza...
if 20 kts slower is considered "relatively close"
Here it is.... he had a bad day.
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20090406X12052&key=1
I consider 10 kts relatively close because that's the speed the Bo owner I know said his plane flies at.
I think I prefer not having to look down at my wing all the time.
So are they low quality? Average quality? What mfrs are high quality?It's all about marketing an image. Beech has always marketed their products as a "quality" machine much the same way Cadillac markets their cars. Neither one (Cadillac or Beech) is truly "quality", just marketing hype.
Always has been.
So are they low quality? Average quality? What mfrs are high quality?
The gear was trouble-free over the five years I owned my K35 Bonana. ... Except for that evening when I put the switch down and nothing happened. So I cranked the gear down with the little knuckle-busting handle behind the pilot seat and landed uneventfully. Mechanic said electrical contacts on the motor were gummed up. He cleaned it out, and there were no further problems.When the gear switch is selected to the down position, the gear will move that way.
On the K35 Vle was 122 KIAS and Vfe was 104. It would be very difficult to slow to flap speed without putting the gear down first.An experienced Bonanza pilot shared two tips with me when I bought mine to prevent a gear up due to pilot error.
1. Never use approach flaps unless the gear is down.
2. Never go below 15" MP if the gear is up in order to descend.
Well, a friend of mine had the landing gear on his 182 fall off in flight... No I'm not kidding.
How did that happen? Shoddy preflight? Or very hard landing followed by go around?
Define "quality" in aircraft manufacturing.
Beech is no different than Mooney, Cessna, Piper, etc. The "quality" monicker is all hype.
Ummmm yeah, ok.
Rolex, Casio, Tag, Timex, Patek Phillipe. No difference. All hype.
If you check the numbers on P Ponk's website, and add in all the speed mods available for a 182, basically my 182 is about as fast as a fixed gear 182 can go.
So yes, the speed of 150kts is very attainable.
I have no regrets about purchasing my 182...I was just wondering how many people would consider the 182 with my mods/numbers vs a Bonanza.
Thanks for all the feed back guys!
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Beech "quality" is a marketing hype.
People wear a Rolex for prestige, not because it's a great time piece.![]()
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Beech "quality" is a marketing hype.
People wear a Rolex for prestige, not because it's a great time piece.![]()
Improper maintenance. If you also improperly maintain the landing gear on your Bonanza you will meet a similar result (gear failing to retract, partial retraction, no extension, etc, etc)
And yes, it does happen.
Small light planes are more fun to fly!
Is removing the fairings and inspecting main gear for fatigue cracks a standard annual inspection item on a 182?
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Improper maintenance. If you also improperly maintain the landing gear on your Bonanza you will meet a similar result (gear failing to retract, partial retraction, no extension, etc, etc)
And yes, it does happen.
Once you go BO you don't go back. Ok, it didn't rhyme.... I'm on my second Bonanza. I have had it since 1994. It's a 1951 C35. It lives on a 2200' grass strip and I've piled more stuff in it than you can imagine and it still gets off and flys like she's empty (almost). I've flown C120's, C140,C150, C172, C172XP and C182. All of them are nice planes in their own right but they ain't no Beechcraft Bonanza! Year after year my wife and I talk about selling it as we don't do as many trips (except for OSH) and then we go for another ride. Needless to say - we still own it. It's the best plane out there in regards to style, handling, speed, comfort and economy - hands down. It's also one sexy machine. And yes, I have flown many of the pipers too. From J3's to the piper Arrow. Just my 2 cents.
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I love my Bo - but I am in annual just now, and (as I am fond of saying), the only thing I like less than finding something wrong with the airplane at annual, is NOT finding it!.
So he found a little something - glad he looked, and it'll be fixed, and that's all just fine.
Except for the single door on older models. That is a major difference for me to not have to climb in over a wing through one door.
I finally got to see a Cardinal up close and sit in one. Not only does the view seem fantastic, those doors make getting in and out just fantastically easy. Next time I find $100k lying around, it's going on my purchase list![]()
68's run $30k-$40k and make an a decent 2 place airplane for a flatlander. With mogas in the tanks, >$36/hr for gas is possible at cruise.
Yeah, I figure $40-$60k for purchase plus extra fix-up fund and costs. I was trying to be realistic in my dreams![]()
An experienced Bonanza pilot shared two tips with me when I bought mine to prevent a gear up due to pilot error.
1. Never use approach flaps unless the gear is down.
2. Never go below 15" MP if the gear is up in order to descend.
If both of these little rules are adhered to religiously there is no way to descend to the runway and be slow enough to possibly land with the gear up. Knock on wood, I have heeded his advice and so far so good.
I bought an A36 in September and have logged 225 hours in it thus far -- and loved every minute / eager to go fly.
With a fair amount of experience in type, I have a hard time understanding how gear-up landings occur in at least an A36 like mine. First, the gear horn goes off (very loudly) if power drops too low with the gear up. Second, the plane is pretty slick clean -- I have to put the gear out at 152 knots just to get it down into flap range (122 knots). Third, to get the plane on down to 80 knots or so for landing, flaps sure help.
All of that is say one would really have to work hard to slow the plane slow enough for a landing, gear horn blaring, to do a gear-up landing. Not only that, everything would feel 180 from a normal approach -- speed, approach angle, sounds, handling.
I'm sure it's been done in an A36, and I was quite worried about it when I bought mine, but 225 hours in, I just have a hard time seeing how one could achieve a gear-up without using the gear to at least slow down enough to land and/or get the flaps out with out violating Vspeeds.
FWIW, I burn 11.5-12.5 LOP at 157-162 knots (depending on altitude primarily, the higher the slower and more gas-sipping) in our plane. ROP I burn around 16.5gph at 172 knots in the 6000-7000 range.
On every flight I'm impressed with the plane. We've done multiple 500-1000nm trips, usually with a leg stretch stop or two somewhere, and the family is fresh and ready at the destination. 'Took it skiing in Colorado and loaded it with more luggage than our Acura SUV could carry -- had to have family bring some of our bags to the airport. With 2 adults, 2 older kids, and bejesus load of bags (my wife and 2 daughters did the packing), it did totally fine coming and going -- including leaving Denver with full fuel...
Love, love, love that plane. Only step up I can see is a King Air or a jet.
What about CG. I've looked at Bos and the CG issues keep me away.
What about CG. I've looked at Bos and the CG issues keep me away.