What about a 2-year degree?

dans2992 said:
A degree from CalTech needs to yield far more than $60k to start in order to be a sound investment.
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8 yrs flying helicopters <> computer science experience. How did he even get $60k????
 
2 yr vs 4 yr vs no degree is all a function of what it takes to make you competitive in today's highly competitive job market. The higher the quality of the job the more it will take to be competitive - experience and education. When it comes to the lucrative ($150K + per year) corporate jet jobs there will always be enough candidates with one or more 4 year degrees, an ATP type and hundreds or thousands in make and model to pretty much eliminate lessor qualified applicants. Everyone of the pilots in our department has at least a 4-year degree and the chief pilot has a PhD. Can you find HS and community college grads in the upper echelon corporate jobs? Of course, but they are few and far between. Why would you want to limit yourself so severely?
 
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Eggzactly. I spent a lot of years working in a Fortune 50 company, and when I had HR forward me resumes for an open position, I would usually get 20-30 resumes.

I was very busy, and didn't want to waste my time. First pass thru the stack and all applicants without a college degree were tossed in the trash can. Why waste time on people who didn't want to learn?

Second pass tossed all the "private, for profit" colleges, Broadview, Uofphoenix, StevensHengler, etc. Why waste time on people who weren't smart enough to see the rip offs.

Then, depending on the level, some graduate degrees would be set aside, not tossed. Depending on the level of the open position.

I would guess that I would spend all of about 30-60 seconds on a candidate before tossing or pursuing. Anyone who thinks no degree won't hurt is naive.
 
JoseCuervo said:
Eggzactly. I spent a lot of years working in a Fortune 50 company, and when I had HR forward me resumes for an open position, I would usually get 20-30 resumes.

I was very busy, and didn't want to waste my time. First pass thru the stack and all applicants without a college degree were tossed in the trash can. Why waste time on people who didn't want to learn?

Second pass tossed all the "private, for profit" colleges, Broadview, Uofphoenix, StevensHengler, etc. Why waste time on people who weren't smart enough to see the rip offs.

Then, depending on the level, some graduate degrees would be set aside, not tossed. Depending on the level of the open position.

I would guess that I would spend all of about 30-60 seconds on a candidate before tossing or pursuing. Anyone who thinks no degree won't hurt is naive.
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Anyone that filters resumes in that manner is doing their company a serious disservice. That makes no sense.
 
jesse said:
Anyone that filters resumes in that manner is doing their company a serious disservice. That makes no sense.
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The only "sense" it makes is Jose is stroking his ego. Something tells me he has a picture of himself on his desk and if you walk through his home there are pictures of himself everywhere.:rolleyes2:

Another point. A guy with the personalty of Jose is not someone most people would want to work for or with. He could use his personality for birth control.
 
A college degree may get you hired, but experience keeps you hired. If you have both, you stand a good chance.
with degree and no experience you have slim chance
without the degree you stand no chance.
 
jesse said:
Anyone that filters resumes in that manner is doing their company a serious disservice. That makes no sense.
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What would you suggest is a better way to filter 20-30 resumes? Nobody has time to interview 20 people to see if they might be a good fit despite not having a degree (assuming degree required/preferred). If the team I assembled is a "disservice", that reflects on me and my success.


Do it for enough years, and have to build teams that that you depend on for your success, you filter for attributes that give you the best chance of success. Now, the organization I run, I filter in a much different manner, a much different goal.

Like most big companies, we had tuition reimbursement. Always made me scratch my head when a 15-year employee without a degree would whine about "life's not fair" when they would get passed by for a new college hire. They consciously made a decision EVERY day for 15 years not to get a degree. That was on them.
 
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The only "sense" it makes is Jose is stroking his ego. Something tells me he has a picture of himself on his desk and if you walk through his home there are pictures of himself everywhere.:rolleyes2:

Another point. A guy with the personalty of Jose is not someone most people would want to work for or with. He could use his personality for birth control.
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What does make "sense" is for the OP (and others like him) to know that the job market is, and will be, competitive, and you only get 30-60 seconds of time for a decision maker to decide if they want to pursue additional information and interview.

I don't think that should be hidden from youngsters and have them believe that "Bill Gates didn't need no stink'n degree". If you have ever worked in a big organization, you know the HR department really doesn't screen applicants like they used to, in the old day.

And, if you really care about my home decorations, it is 99% pictures of my kids! and then a few random taxidermy mounts from years of hunting.
 
JoseCuervo said:
What does make "sense" is for the OP (and others like him) to know that the job market is, and will be, competitive, and you only get 30-60 seconds of time for a decision maker to decide if they want to pursue additional information and interview.

I don't think that should be hidden from youngsters and have them believe that "Bill Gates didn't need no stink'n degree". If you have ever worked in a big organization, you know the HR department really doesn't screen applicants like they used to, in the old day.

And, if you really care about my home decorations, it is 99% pictures of my kids! and then a few random taxidermy mounts from years of hunting.
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yes, if you're cold-calling for a job. But networking starts in school and yields better results.

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MrAviator180 said:
This un-named college has the 2 year aviation program with an associates, but it doesn't have the bachelor's. I don't want to fly for any airlines, I may want to fly corporate eventually. But I am planning to stay in general aviation..

Should I just get the 2 year?

And if you're going to give me a "You need your four year to be a pilot" deal, I won't buy it. I know a bush pilot flying with a great company up here in AK, who didn't even go to college.

Thoughts?
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There's nothing wrong with getting the 2 year degree.

Since you've stated that you don't want to fly for the airlines and you "may....eventually" want to fly corporate, I'd look to get an education in the field you want to work in now.

As for do I need a 4 year degree to work in a profession, I'll leave that to the others. I don't have one. Since I may very well be losing my job, I wish I had one now. Some airlines won't even consider you with out one. All the experience in the world won't get you an interview.
 
JoseCuervo said:
What would you suggest is a better way to filter 20-30 resumes? Nobody has time to interview 20 people to see if they might be a good fit despite not having a degree (assuming degree required/preferred). If the team I assembled is a "disservice", that reflects on me and my success.


Do it for enough years, and have to build teams that that you depend on for your success, you filter for attributes that give you the best chance of success. Now, the organization I run, I filter in a much different manner, a much different goal.

Like most big companies, we had tuition reimbursement. Always made me scratch my head when a 15-year employee without a degree would whine about "life's not fair" when they would get passed by for a new college hire. They consciously made a decision EVERY day for 15 years not to get a degree. That was on them.
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Sounds like the wrong person is doing the screening. I'm one of 3 tech leads in a software development group. I've seen probably a hundred resumes in my career and the last thing I look at is education. It really doesn't make a difference to me if the applicant went to college, I want to know what their experience level is and if they can add value to my team.

I know guys who make over $100 per hour and have no degree. Their phone never stops ringing and their email box is full of emails from recruiters. What is their incentive to sit in a classroom and learn World Geography?
 
MadseasoN said:
Sounds like the wrong person is doing the screening. I'm one of 3 tech leads in a software development group. I've seen probably a hundred resumes in my career and the last thing I look at is education. It really doesn't make a difference to me if the applicant went to college, I want to know what their experience level is and if they can add value to my team.

I know guys who make over $100 per hour and have no degree. Their phone never stops ringing and their email box is full of emails from recruiters. What is their incentive to sit in a classroom and learn World Geography?
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Yep, totally agree.
 
I also wouldn't discount the U of Phoenix people. They may not have personally paid for their tuition. Their employer may have picked up the tab, it which case, UoP is the most convenient avenue...
 
MadseasoN said:
Sounds like the wrong person is doing the screening. I'm one of 3 tech leads in a software development group. I've seen probably a hundred resumes in my career and the last thing I look at is education. It really doesn't make a difference to me if the applicant went to college, I want to know what their experience level is and if they can add value to my team.

I know guys who make over $100 per hour and have no degree. Their phone never stops ringing and their email box is full of emails from recruiters. What is their incentive to sit in a classroom and learn World Geography?
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Yep, we all "know a guy without a degree" that is doing well. But, I would guess we know even more who don't have a degree that ain't doing well, or like the poster a few up, live with just a bit more uncertainty about job prospects because of the lack of a degree in a potential reorganization and going out on the open market.

I have an uncle that is in that boat, got laid off from a major bank during a reorganization and has had to spend the last 8-10 years "consulting" on IT projects. He bills a high rate, but you can tell there is stress from the "temporary" nature of being a forced consultant in IT.

It can certainly be done, but it is a harder path, and, I would never advise someone to take a harder path just to avoid World Geography class. I never took a Geography class, but I would likely enjoy it. Always been a collector of maps.
 
jesse said:
Anyone that filters resumes in that manner is doing their company a serious disservice. That makes no sense.
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Unfortunately, it's much more common than you might think. The degree is a check-off item. Without it, you don't get past the first cut. I disagree with that approach, especially for people with a decade or more of real world experience to build on. But it's reality.
 
MadseasoN said:
Sounds like the wrong person is doing the screening. I'm one of 3 tech leads in a software development group. I've seen probably a hundred resumes in my career and the last thing I look at is education. It really doesn't make a difference to me if the applicant went to college, I want to know what their experience level is and if they can add value to my team.

I know guys who make over $100 per hour and have no degree. Their phone never stops ringing and their email box is full of emails from recruiters. What is their incentive to sit in a classroom and learn World Geography?
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This is me, but those of us who started developing 20 years ago while in college and then subsequently dropped out have a huge advantage over people entering the field now.

It also helps that the computer software industry is starving for talent.
 
You people arguing absolutes make me crazy. What people miss is college programs fall into two categories, those that develop skills that prepare you for employment in industry and those that don't. The factor that determines which category someone's program is in is frequently the person them-self. If you are passionate about a field of study and use that enthusiasm to educate yourself beyond the minimum necessary for a degree, future prospective employers will recognize that. Will they pay a premium for it? That depends on the industry.

On the other side of the coin, those with enthusiasm and ability, but no degree can find gainful employment as we'll, but it frequently depends on their ability to network. They will be valued for the experience they got coming up the hawsepipe while the degreed candidate was taking film history.

Long story short, work/study hard and make a future for yourself, don't wait around whining that no one is offering you 60k right out of school and full benefits. Start a business yourself. Or disregard all of the above because it's coming from a 25 year old with 3 years towards an engineering degree with nothing official to show for it, who now works in the family business.

To the OP, get a degree and take ownership of the material, if you won't do that, you're better off getting experience.


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A four-year bachelor's degree opens doors that a two-year associate degree won't, just as a two-year associate degree opens doors a HS diploma won't. And an MBA opens doors a BBA won't. So, you have to determine which door you want to open, and what sort of key it takes to open it, and then get that key.

For most civilian flying jobs, no college at all is required, but a degree (especially I aviation) from a college/university can be a strong factor in your favor. For major air carriers, a bachelor's is very strongly desired (although with a strong enough flying background, you can get in with an associate degree), and for the USAF/Navy/Marines a bachelor's degree is absolutely mandatory for pilot training. That said, any time two candidates are being evaluated for one position, higher educational qualifications can be a tie-breaker even if the higher degree isn't absolutely required.

Choose wisely.
 
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LDJones said:
Unfortunately, it's much more common than you might think. The degree is a check-off item. Without it, you don't get past the first cut. I disagree with that approach, especially for people with a decade or more of real world experience to build on. But it's reality.
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And companies that put people in charge of filtering resumes in that manner are not companies I would want to work for.

Either way, it's irrelevant, it's extremely unlikely I will ever in my career be randomly sending off cold resumes to generic HR departments in hopes of a job. I'd be damn surprised if I ever prepared a resume again in my life.
 
Sad world where career talk goes to what hr hagdrones want to see. Avoid the hagdrones at all costs.
 
jesse said:
And companies that put people in charge of filtering resumes in that manner are not companies I would want to work for.

Either way, it's irrelevant, it's extremely unlikely I will ever in my career be randomly sending off cold resumes to generic HR departments in hopes of a job. I'd be damn surprised if I ever prepared a resume again in my life.
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Well, in excess of a 150k other people worked for that company, so there was some interest by job seekers.

And, of that method of filtering applicants didn't work and provide me an adequate pool of candidates, then if would have adjusted. But, if i could find enough candidates with degrees, no reason to widen the pool to sort thru non-degrees candidates for professional positions.

And, it is relevant, because the OP should know what is out there in the real world and how it works. Ron is correct on his "opening doors", and the corollary is also true, you would never want to advise kids to start "closing doors" without adequate knowledge of the consequences.
 
ClimbnSink said:
Yeah they'd better served picking 5 or 6 digits of student loan debt and the attitude that they are too precious to swing a hammer for money. Times have changed folks, college is useless.
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College is far from useless IF you spend your time and money there wisely.

If you go to an expensive school on loans and get a BA in sociology, well then good luck to you. But college CAN be done wisely and without breaking the bank. How do I know? I have two in college right now and another in a couple of years, and I am in the process of getting a masters degree myself at the ripe old age of ican'tcountmuchhigher.

OP, another strategy to consider is taking the 2-year program and then completing the bachelors online. That greatly expands your options while keeping costs low.
 
jesse said:
And companies that put people in charge of filtering resumes in that manner are not companies I would want to work for.
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The last time we posted an opening for a pilot position, we received over 300 resumes. Just how would you propose to whittle that stack down to a manageable number? (By the way, that opening was filled by a guy who had an MBA, held an ATP, with 10,000 hours TT, 5,000 hours in jets and 2,000 hours in type.)

Flying the airplane is the easy part of the job, just about anyone with a license could do that. Most of the people riding in the back of Fortune 100 company corporate aircraft are very well educated and they seem to want to associate with people of similar background. You might have a hard time convincing them to turn over the keys and credit cards to a $40 Million corporate asset to someone with just a high school diploma. Right or wrong, justified or not, it's just the way it is.
 
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JoseCuervo said:
Why does the Air Force want their pilots to have a degree?
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Because they're going to be Officers. As arbitrary as any other reason unless you buy their BS. Sorry, no offense to them, but they're a worse paper-pushing bureaucracy than even an airline flooded with applicants.

On the good news side, USAF will teach a skillset that most colleges have forgotten... Self-discipline.
 
MrAviator180 said:
This un-named college has the 2 year aviation program with an associates, but it doesn't have the bachelor's. I don't want to fly for any airlines, I may want to fly corporate eventually. But I am planning to stay in general aviation..

Should I just get the 2 year?

And if you're going to give me a "You need your four year to be a pilot" deal, I won't buy it. I know a bush pilot flying with a great company up here in AK, who didn't even go to college.

Thoughts?
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Here are my thoughts, as a college professor:

1) Complete the AA degree and go fly bush and corporate, but DO complete it! Too many students do nearly all the credits, then quit.

2) If you think that, in future, you might want to do something else, or fly for the majors where I understand, but may be wrong, they prefer a bachelors, then plan on doing that degree. It doesn't have to happen right away, though.

Enjoy!
 
Dead Stick said:
The last time we posted an opening for a pilot position, we received over 300 resumes. Just how would you propose to whittle that stack down to a manageable number? (By the way, that opening was filled by a guy who had an MBA, held an ATP, with 10,000 hours TT, 5,000 hours in jets and 2,000 hours in type.)

Flying the airplane is the easy part of the job, just about anyone with a license could do that. Most of the people riding in the back of Fortune 100 company corporate aircraft are very well educated and they seem to want to associate with people of similar background. You might have a hard time convincing them to turn over the keys and credit cards to a $40 Million corporate asset to someone with just a high school diploma. Right or wrong, justified or not, it's just the way it is.
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Well, that certainly puts a bullet in the whole "pilot shortage" thing, doesn't it? ;)
 
Dead Stick said:
The last time we posted an opening for a pilot position, we received over 300 resumes. Just how would you propose to whittle that stack down to a manageable number? (By the way, that opening was filled by a guy who had an MBA, held an ATP, with 10,000 hours TT, 5,000 hours in jets and 2,000 hours in type.)

Flying the airplane is the easy part of the job, just about anyone with a license could do that. Most of the people riding in the back of Fortune 100 company corporate aircraft are very well educated and they seem to want to associate with people of similar background. You might have a hard time convincing them to turn over the keys and credit cards to a $40 Million corporate asset to someone with just a high school diploma. Right or wrong, justified or not, it's just the way it is.
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What criteria did you use to whittle the stack of resumes down?

Was the pilot hired because of his MBA or his flight time?
 
jesse said:
Anyone that filters resumes in that manner is doing their company a serious disservice. That makes no sense.
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I agree!

I filter resumes in my software company. I filter for people who don't come out of a cookie cutter.

Someone ripping through a tiny number of resumes (30 is a tiny number of resumes) like that is costing his employer thousands of dollars in bad hiring decisions.

When I have 30 resumes I'd spend time with each one to really try and get a picture of the person. I'd spend as long as it took to really read each resume.

I'll typically telephone screen 10 candiates and interview 3 to 5 of those.

NOTHING is more important to any company than hiring the right people.

Because a bad hire is one of the most expensive mistakes an employer can make.
 
us AAirways said:
Was the pilot hired because of his MBA or his flight time?
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Yes.

A certain minimum aviation experience was mandatory and this guy exceeded those minimums. The educational background was just icing on the cake. If you're trying to get hired by a "bottom feeder" (airline, charter or corporate) it probably won't make any difference and it might even hurt you. (There are those chief pilots who are intimidated by applicants with significantly better resumes.)

Ron Levy said it first and said it best...
That said, any time two candidates are being evaluated for one position, higher educational qualifications can be a tie-breaker even if the higher degree isn't absolutely required.
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spiderweb said:
Here are my thoughts, as a college professor:

1) Complete the AA degree and go fly bush and corporate, but DO complete it! Too many students do nearly all the credits, then quit.

2) If you think that, in future, you might want to do something else, or fly for the majors where I understand, but may be wrong, they prefer a bachelors, then plan on doing that degree. It doesn't have to happen right away, though.

Enjoy!
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denverpilot said:
Because they're going to be Officers. As arbitrary as any other reason unless you buy their BS. Sorry, no offense to them, but they're a worse paper-pushing bureaucracy than even an airline flooded with applicants.

On the good news side, USAF will teach a skillset that most colleges have forgotten... Self-discipline.
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You don't think, somewhere along the line, that the military concluded that officers (with college degrees) are MORE valuable than guys without degrees? What would one conclude by looking at military pay scales (aka value)?

I could never, in the current day, advise a youngster to NOT get a degree, if they have the aptitude to successfully complete it. 17-22 year olds don't know what life is about, and to start closing doors on their opportunity before they figure out what they want to do is limiting.

I believe the numbers in our State, with a crappy anti-education legislature, are something like only 4/10 high school students will continue to college, and only 1/10 will complete a 4 year degree. My daughter is 2.5 years into college, and based on a conversation with her where we discussed her high school classmates, those numbers sound true. Many didn't go to college, and of those that did, most of them have "transferred", or are "sitting out a semester", or some other story that lead us to believe they are done with school.
 
JimNtexas said:
I agree!

I filter resumes in my software company. I filter for people who don't come out of a cookie cutter.

Someone ripping through a tiny number of resumes (30 is a tiny number of resumes) like that is costing his employer thousands of dollars in bad hiring decisions.

When I have 30 resumes I'd spend time with each one to really try and get a picture of the person. I'd spend as long as it took to really read each resume.

I'll typically telephone screen 10 candiates and interview 3 to 5 of those.

NOTHING is more important to any company than hiring the right people.

Because a bad hire is one of the most expensive mistakes an employer can make.
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Well, since this post isn't about "best practices in hiring", I am not sure how much the OP cares, but line managers wasting time reading thru stacks of resumes is costing a company far more than thousands of dollars in lost productivity.

And, I was able to spend enough time to get a picture of each candidate on a resume. And, as soon as the picture was "wasn't able to successfully complete college", I knew they would not be successful as a contributor to my teams. It is only fair to the OP that he knows what the real world is like, fair or not.

(Conversely, there were some jobs where a degree would hurt (technician and administrative admins), but you still had lots of degrees candidates seeking them ).
 
JoseCuervo said:
Eggzactly. I spent a lot of years working in a Fortune 50 company, and when I had HR forward me resumes for an open position, I would usually get 20-30 resumes.

I was very busy, and didn't want to waste my time. First pass thru the stack and all applicants without a college degree were tossed in the trash can.
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At the large company I used to work for, those never would have made it out HR.
 
JoseCuervo said:
You don't think, somewhere along the line, that the military concluded that officers (with college degrees) are MORE valuable than guys without degrees? What would one conclude by looking at military pay scales (aka value)?

I could never, in the current day, advise a youngster to NOT get a degree, if they have the aptitude to successfully complete it. 17-22 year olds don't know what life is about, and to start closing doors on their opportunity before they figure out what they want to do is limiting.

I believe the numbers in our State, with a crappy anti-education legislature, are something like only 4/10 high school students will continue to college, and only 1/10 will complete a 4 year degree. My daughter is 2.5 years into college, and based on a conversation with her where we discussed her high school classmates, those numbers sound true. Many didn't go to college, and of those that did, most of them have "transferred", or are "sitting out a semester", or some other story that lead us to believe they are done with school.
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Minor correction: Not all officers have college degrees. Those commissioned from the ranks are called mustangs. Ask me how I know.

Bob Gardner
 
bobmrg said:
Minor correction: Not all officers have college degrees. Those commissioned from the ranks are called mustangs. Ask me how I know.

Bob Gardner
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True, but for what it is worth, in today's world, there is an increasing push for senior enlisted and LDO/Warrants to get their degrees and just like with anything else, the more of those that do , it becomes another competitive point that can hurt you if you don't have it. Right or wrong, that is reality.
 
JimNtexas said:
I agree!

I filter resumes in my software company. I filter for people who don't come out of a cookie cutter.

Someone ripping through a tiny number of resumes (30 is a tiny number of resumes) like that is costing his employer thousands of dollars in bad hiring decisions.

When I have 30 resumes I'd spend time with each one to really try and get a picture of the person. I'd spend as long as it took to really read each resume.

I'll typically telephone screen 10 candidates and interview 3 to 5 of those.

NOTHING is more important to any company than hiring the right people.

Because a bad hire is one of the most expensive mistakes an employer can make.
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That "cookie cutter" thought is very important. Back when I was hired by one of the majors back in the mid-1980's the chief pilot told me that everyone they considered had all of the prerequisites - ratings, flight time, education, etc. When I asked him, "Why did I get the interview?" he said it was because I had a glider rating. Go figure. :D

I didn't stay with the airline very long - I found I enjoyed the variety and "hands on" of corporate flying. But, the hiring principles were the same - find something(s) that set you apart from the crowd in a good way and go for it. I've got a BS degree in Business and that has been helpful along the way, but I've actually gotten more jobs because I spoke fluent Spanish. (And speaking Spanish wasn't a requirement and the only time I ever used it were on the occasional trips to Spain, Mexicio, South America and Wal-Mart.) The quality jobs are searching for quality people. If you're just a clone of everyone else it will be difficult to set yourself apart from the crowd.

The advice I give to my friends and family is to get a degree in anything other than aviation and something that you could fall back on if you had too. I've always thought a degree in "airplane flying" err... Aviation was a spectacular waste of your time and your daddy's money. Then, while you're at it, pick up your ratings and experience along the way. It won't be easy and it won't be quick, but eventually it seems to come together for most people.
 
bobmrg said:
Minor correction: Not all officers have college degrees. Those commissioned from the ranks are called mustangs. Ask me how I know.
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The military still does commission from the ranks, but those special commissions (e.g., Navy "limited duty officers") are limited both in number and scope of assignment and maximum rank, and they don't qualify one for pilot training. And those are limited to enlisted personnel with many years of experience and special expertise, like my nephew in the nuke power program who did 10 years enlisted as a MM(SS) in the reactor room, then got commissioned, and is now a LCDR working in the nuke power field (R-Division officer on a nuclear carrier, heading to the nuke power school as a senior instructor/department head). The only folks like that in aviation units today are maintenance or admin officers, not flyers.
 
Ron Levy said:
The military still does commission from the ranks, but those special commissions (e.g., Navy "limited duty officers") are limited both in number and scope of assignment and maximum rank, and they don't qualify one for pilot training. And those are limited to enlisted personnel with many years of experience and special expertise, like my nephew in the nuke power program who did 10 years enlisted as a MM(SS) in the reactor room, then got commissioned, and is now a LCDR working in the nuke power field (R-Division officer on a nuclear carrier, heading to the nuke power school as a senior instructor/department head). The only folks like that in aviation units today are maintenance or admin officers, not flyers.
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Actually in the late 70's early 80's the Navy had an LDO program for aviators. Those selected where trained and sent to a training command. It was a short lived program and was implemented due to a shortage of instructors.
 
RotorAndWing said:
Actually in the late 70's early 80's the Navy had an LDO program for aviators.
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Back in the 60's, the Navy also had the NavCad program where two years of college got you in. That was then. This is now. It's been a very long time since anyone without a 4-year college degree has become a Naval Aviator. So if you want to be a Navy pilot and don't have a time machine, don't stop college after two years.
 
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