C-152's maint hogs or gems ?

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I was at the FBO the other day and heard the reason the local school replaced their 152s with 172s was that the 152s were costing a lot to maintain.

I didn't get to hear the rest of the conversation, so I thought I'd open it up here. What does the choir say about it ? :) Would you buy a 152 today or avoid one because of costs of maintenance ?
 
Did they replace old 152s with new 172s?

I don't think that those planes require significantly different maintenance. If an older planes is starting to feel the age perhaps upgrading to a new one helps defer some of the hassle associated with the maintenance.
 
Keep in mind that in a flight school environment mx has two costs -- the expense of the repair and the lost revenue. Therefore, dispatch reliability has to be high up on the priority list.
 
smigaldi said:
Did they replace old 152s with new 172s?

I don't think that those planes require significantly different maintenance. If an older planes is starting to feel the age perhaps upgrading to a new one helps defer some of the hassle associated with the maintenance.

They did indeed replace them with new (at the time) 172Rs and a 172S. Great outfit.
 
jdwatson said:
They did indeed replace them with new (at the time) 172Rs and a 172S. Great outfit.

FWIW, any brand new airplane is going to use less maintenance than an old plane. I suspect that is what they were getting at.
 
Ken Ibold said:
Keep in mind that in a flight school environment mx has two costs -- the expense of the repair and the lost revenue. Therefore, dispatch reliability has to be high up on the priority list.

I bet that was the problem... There was only 2 152s on the line and it seems like they were down 1/2 the time.
 
From my stand point, the purchase price of a C-152 is very attractive. Aircraft mx frightens the CFO.
 
jdwatson said:
They did indeed replace them with new (at the time) 172Rs and a 172S. Great outfit.

This action has been pretty common. I can't help but think that Cessna is somehow helping with the maintenance. Which would be a great way to promote the product of getting the latest and greatest into people hands so that when they want a plane they want a) Cessna and b) new Cessna. It would help convince those FBO that are content with their aging fleets to seriously consider upgrading to new planes. Cessna in the past has helped out for individual buyers with paying for training, $15k in gas, etc.
 
jdwatson said:
From my stand point, the purchase price of a C-152 is very attractive. Aircraft mx frightens the CFO.

A $20-30K C152 trainer offsets a heckufalot of maintenance cost V. ~$150K or more for a new Skyhawk. Your average pilot is a VFR weekend warrior with $100-200 bucks to blow on an occasional flight.
 
Dave Krall CFII said:
A $20-30K C152 trainer offsets a heckufalot of maintenance cost V. ~$150K or more for a new Skyhawk. Your average pilot is a VFR weekend warrior with $100-200 bucks to blow on an occasional flight.

Plus, it's not a bad entry model for new owners. At least I would think that.
 
Most 150'2/152's have been pretty beaten in the training environment. I have seen some be purchased with nice paint and interior then turned around and had a $6K to $12K annual to get them right. An annual or two like that, some lighter use from an owner and the reliability will be pretty good.

Don't expect no problems though when you first purchase one.
 
152s don't cost any more to maintain than any other plane. In fact, I've had one, then a 172, then a 172RG. The 152 MX cost beans compared with the other two. Of course, if they've been flown hard and not kept up to really good condition, they can cost a bundle like any other plane. If they are leasebacks, or have been, some owners balk at putting any money into them other than the bare minimum they can get away with to keep them "airworthy." You will find rough interiors, pathetic paint, cracked and crazed plastic all over. Again, tho', this can be the same with a Warrior, Skyhawk, etc., any trainer. Depends on the previous owner and the school/FBO's policy on this sort of upkeep.
 
NC Pilot said:
Don't expect no problems though when you first purchase one.

Double negative aside, this is wise advice for any model of airplane. A smart buyer will put aside 10-20% of the purchase price to pay for unexpected maintenance in the first year.

The newest 152's are close to 30 years old. Most have been heavily used in the unforgiving training environment. They are well built airplanes, but so many years of abuse requires more maintenance. A low-time privately owned 152 will sell for quite a premium over the typical one.

Jon
 
jdwatson said:
I was at the FBO the other day and heard the reason the local school replaced their 152s with 172s was that the 152s were costing a lot to maintain.
A FBO is a business with a different point of view than yours as an owner. To them, an airplane is a source of revenue and a source of cost.

A C-152 brings in about 1/2 the revenue of a C-172 for two reasons:
a) Fewer people want to rent the 152 so it racks up fewer hours per month.
b) It must be rented at about 80% to 75% the rate of the C-172.

A C-152 costs about the same amount in maintenance as a similarly aged C-172 and costs more to maintain than a new aircraft that is under warranty, doesn't need major repair, and doesn't need to be upgraded. A new C-172 can be sold in a few years, possibly for more than the original purchase price. A C-152 cannot be expected to increase significantly in value.

As a result, the business must spend more dollars in cost relative to dollars in revenue, making it too expensive to bother with.

The picture for you as an owner is different.
The purchase price of a C-152 is considerably less than a C-172, especially a new one.
The old C-152 is just as reliable as the old C-172.
If you don't want to upgrade, you don't need to.
Your fuel burn rate is lower in a C-152.
Hull insurance costs less.
You don't care how much money the plane can be sold for.
The C-172 carries more stuff.
 
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