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Old March 16th, 2014, 05:49 AM   #51
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The 777 can't do over wing fueling - got have a fuel truck.
OK, so how hard would it be for an organization like AlQueda to obtain a fuel truck? Like I said, they probably didn't do this on the spur of the moment. I imagine they took years of planning and preparation. They didn't steal an airliner to fly somewhere and then land and say "oops, I never thought we would need fuel", and a way to get it in there.

I'm surprised nobody jumped on me when I joked that they could have stretched the time aloft by running LOP, but now they are speculating the thing flew almost 8 hours rather than the original 4-5 hour estimate.

I don't understand why people are so quick to say something can't be done.
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Old March 16th, 2014, 09:54 AM
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What makes you think they crashed in same place?
What makes you think I think it crashed? A triple seven has a 9000 mile range. In other words, it's now probably within striking distance of your nearest nuclear reactor.

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What makes you think I think it crashed? A triple seven has a 9000 mile range. In other words, it's now probably within striking distance of your nearest nuclear reactor.

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Meh. I have to believe that it's highly unlikely that a jet would penetrate the exterior containment structure much less the interior reactor vessel which is also fortified. And, even if ithe fuselage did make it through the containment structure, the wings (and fuel) would likely remain outside so that's where the fire would be.

That's true of reactors near me. Other countries that were myopic enough to build unfortified reactors may have a price to pay.
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Meh. I have to believe that it's highly unlikely that a jet would penetrate the exterior containment structure much less the interior reactor vessel which is also fortified.
"Unlikely"? Even if it's loaded with explosives?

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"Unlikely"? Even if it's loaded with explosives?

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Well, that's a different story, still...

...ain't no way an airliner is getting to the heartland of the US for such an attack. Folks on the coasts may have cause to worry but those of us living in the "fly over states" know that such a beast would have to traverse many "shoot down states" before getting to us.
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Well, that's a different story still...

...ain't no way an airliner is getting to the heartland of the US for such an attack. Folks on the coasts may have cause to worry but those of us living in the "fly over states" know that such a beast would have to traverse many "shoot down states" before getting to us.
I'm posting this within 5 miles downwind of a nuclear powerplant on the northern border of the USA. It's right on the great circle route of the missing 777's northern flight path too, as is anywhere east of the Mississippi. So, if such an attack were planned, I wonder how could it defeat our air defenses?

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I hear it has great frequent flyer points!
If it were to happen and a group like AlQuaeda were behind it, I would suspect it could be fueled in multiple locations in Africa with cash or fuel that has been stolen in the Gulf of Guinea. It could also have been done on some deserted Indian Ocean island with an airstrip.
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... A triple seven has a 9000 mile range...
A triple seven scheduled to fly to Beijing has enough fuel to fly to Beijing, they don't top off the tanks and carry a bunch of fuel they aren't going to use.
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A triple seven scheduled to fly to Beijing has enough fuel to fly to Beijing, they don't top off the tanks and carry a bunch of fuel they aren't going to use.
The captain loaded at least an additional two hours of fuel beyond the required.
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A triple seven scheduled to fly to Beijing has enough fuel to fly to Beijing, they don't top off the tanks and carry a bunch of fuel they aren't going to use.
Yes, of course. It's the next leg I was talking about.

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OK, so how hard would it be for an organization like AlQueda to obtain a fuel truck? Like I said, they probably didn't do this on the spur of the moment. I imagine they took years of planning and preparation. They didn't steal an airliner to fly somewhere and then land and say "oops, I never thought we would need fuel", and a way to get it in there.

I'm surprised nobody jumped on me when I joked that they could have stretched the time aloft by running LOP, but now they are speculating the thing flew almost 8 hours rather than the original 4-5 hour estimate.

I don't understand why people are so quick to say something can't be done.
They have access to hundreds of tanker trucks, tanker ships both coastal and deep sea, and simplest of all all, barges and tugs from which they can get fuel trailers to anywhere on earth.
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I'm posting this within 5 miles downwind of a nuclear powerplant on the northern border of the USA. It's right on the great circle route of the missing 777's northern flight path too, as is anywhere east of the Mississippi.
Like I said, you guys on/near the coasts. The north coast in your case!
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Now the Daily Mail (yeah, I know -- take it with a grain of salt) is reporting that MH370's captain was a "fanatical supporter" of a Malaysian political opposition leader, who was imprisoned earlier in the day.
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Old March 16th, 2014, 01:57 PM   #65
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The hatch is aft of the cockpit door but it goes way forward. Think of where the external door is for it - right behind the nose gear and it goes to the same huge compartment.

As for the breakers, there's no way they could put all the breakers up in the cockpit. There are some in the E&E compartment and also one or two back by the APU IIRC. Also a handful of them in each galley as well but that's for galley stuff of course.
Reports are that ACARS transmissions ceased before audio communications ended with ATC. That would seem to support the theory of a slowly expanding fire progressively eating through wires/equipment and argue against a deliberate act by the pilot. In the case of a deliberate act he'd first have to find and throw the breaker (or a hijacker would somehow have to sneak into the compartment without the pilot or anyone else knowing!) after which one would think he'd not bother with further audio communication. Plus, I can see none of the D.C. "spooks" has explained the alleged garbled static laden last communication on 121.5 with another airliner. It was described as muffled, which could be consistent with the pilot or copilot talking with an oxygen mask on.
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If this thing did go into the water, how far would stuff have drifted by now and how spread out would it be?

Potentially, months from now, an identifiable part could wash ashore somewhere?
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Now the Daily Mail (yeah, I know -- take it with a grain of salt) is reporting that MH370's captain was a "fanatical supporter" of a Malaysian political opposition leader, who was imprisoned earlier in the day.
If the daily mail reported that water boils at 212F, I would not believe it. It is one of those rags only good to lap up extra grease dripping off your fish&chips.
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If the daily mail reported that water boils at 212F, I would not believe it. It is one of those rags only good to lap up extra grease dripping off your fish&chips.
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What makes you think I think it crashed? A triple seven has a 9000 mile range. In other words, it's now probably within striking distance of your nearest nuclear reactor.
That's why I'm posting this from under my bed.

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The more spectacular the assumptions are that support your theory, the less likely it is to be true. Planes crash.
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Reports are that ACARS transmissions ceased before audio communications ended with ATC. That would seem to support the theory of a slowly expanding fire progressively eating through wires/equipment and argue against a deliberate act by the pilot. In the case of a deliberate act he'd first have to find and throw the breaker (or a hijacker would somehow have to sneak into the compartment without the pilot or anyone else knowing!) after which one would think he'd not bother with further audio communication. Plus, I can see none of the D.C. "spooks" has explained the alleged garbled static laden last communication on 121.5 with another airliner. It was described as muffled, which could be consistent with the pilot or copilot talking with an oxygen mask on.

In this part of the world the Chinese use 121.5 for all sorts of communications.

The "muffled" transmission may have been Chinese or anyone else for that matter
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That's why I'm posting this from under my bed.

"The simpler explanation is generally the correct one." -- Ockham

The more spectacular the assumptions are that support your theory, the less likely it is to be true. Planes crash.
I'm not a philosopher I'm a pilot. It isn't just "my" theory either. Sounds like he'd agree with me on this, since it's simpler to steal an airplane than crash it according to the known facts.

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That's why I'm posting this from under my bed.

"The simpler explanation is generally the correct one." -- Ockham

The more spectacular the assumptions are that support your theory, the less likely it is to be true. Planes crash.
I will agree with that. My theory is simply that; a theory in place of actual facts or evidence. It is a possibility. But I think it is a good possibility.

A veterinary analogy that mirrors your observations says: "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras". In our part of the world horses are much more common than zebras and if you guess horses, as dull as that may sound, you will be right more often. Many newly graduated veterinarians are always looking for zebras.
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The captain loaded at least an additional two hours of fuel beyond the required.
Ahhh are you aware of ICAO alternate fuel requirements for Flag carriers ? But hey I don't want to jinx your fantasy.

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Reports are that ACARS transmissions ceased before audio communications ended with ATC. That would seem to support the theory of a slowly expanding fire progressively eating through wires/equipment and argue against a deliberate act by the pilot. In the case of a deliberate act he'd first have to find and throw the breaker (or a hijacker would somehow have to sneak into the compartment without the pilot or anyone else knowing!) after which one would think he'd not bother with further audio communication. Plus, I can see none of the D.C. "spooks" has explained the alleged garbled static laden last communication on 121.5 with another airliner. It was described as muffled, which could be consistent with the pilot or copilot talking with an oxygen mask on.
Keep in mind too that if I had a nickel for every time my ACARS lost datalink I'd be able to afford a Cessna Mustang ! ACARS drops offline all the time all by itself. Why it do I don't know maybe it's a stray homoetron in there ?
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Ahhh are you aware of ICAO alternate fuel requirements for Flag carriers ? But hey I don't want to jinx your fantasy.

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