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Old March 27th, 2014, 10:58 AM
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The fact that there is no mention of an ELT signal from MH370 lend me to believe that the plane never crashed. And that probably safely landed somewhere. This fact adds more support to the hijack theory.



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As if ELTs always go off every time an airplane crashes....
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Maybe, maybe not.

Latest story going around is that the captain's wife and daughter left him and he was distraught. According to a fellow captain, he was in no shape to fly. If he was depressed/mentally ill, anything is possible.

Of course, like any piece of news in this investigation, it should be taken with a grain of salt.
I don't see how that supports any theory that anyone was alive when the plane hit the water. It seems pretty far-fetched to suggest that the captain killed the FO and flew in a more-or-less straight line for 5 hours just so he could die in the ocean further south, while the other crew and the passengers sat on their hands for 5 hours waiting to die.

If it had been suicide or homicide, isn't it much more likely that the plane would be in the South China Sea?
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If the plane actually ditched in the search area there is a chance some may have survived after impact, like in the case of the Hudson river ditching. But in these waters you could only survive for a few days or less due to hypothermia. An ELT signal would have prompted inmediate rescue procedures to the survivors and save them. Without an ELT signal it would take weeks just to find bodies. So yes the ELT would have saved lifes. Not having it caused deaths and the Airline is liable for it.
Of course. The pilots flew thousands of miles and hours in the wrong direction just to make a controlled ditching in one of the most remote oceans of the world. I guess that's not the least plausible theory that's been suggested.
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The fact that there is no mention of an ELT signal from MH370 lend me to believe that the plane never crashed. And that probably safely landed somewhere. This fact adds more support to the hijack theory.

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If they are stowed in life rafts, they are likely not ELTs, more likely PLBs. If there is no one conscious to trigger it, it will not go off. Even an ELT if the ditching was reasonable, would not trigger automatically.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 11:19 AM
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I don't see how that supports any theory that anyone was alive when the plane hit the water. It seems pretty far-fetched to suggest that the captain killed the FO and flew in a more-or-less straight line for 5 hours just so he could die in the ocean further south, while the other crew and the passengers sat on their hands for 5 hours waiting to die.

If it had been suicide or homicide, isn't it much more likely that the plane would be in the South China Sea?
Mentally ill people don't think like the rest of us do.

I'm just throwing it out there. Like everything else, I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the theory without more info/details.
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I wouldn't get too wrapped up in the theory without more info/details.
Don't worry, I'm working on it. The captain diverted the plane, killed the FO and locked the cabin door. He then either killed himself, or unable to actually do the deed, let fuel exhaustion do the deed for him. He lied to the passengers cabin crew so as to keep them off their cell phones until out of cell range. The armored door to the cabin prevented anyone in back from getting to the controls.

I think I'll send this right off to the tabloids and then it'll be fact for a few hours. It'll be from a pilot, so they won't even question it's accuracy.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 12:05 PM
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Re: New Information On MH 370

FWIW I would trust basically nothing coming out of the Malaysian government. If they suddenly have a "source" that says the captain was mentally ill it's quite possible they either completely made that or forced the "source" to say something. They were awful quick to start blaming their captain with basically no evidence to support that from the beginning. Anything they can do to take the light away from how poorly they handled things initially they will do and I doubt they feel bad about throwing the blame on a dead captain.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 12:15 PM
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There is an interesting chapter in the book "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell, the chapter about Korean pilots. In summation there is a problem with cultures (specifically Asian and south American) in which hierarchy is strongly entrenched and younger more junior crew are inhibited by culture to object to a more senior crew member. There are several examples of crashes in which the copilot was too indirect to intervene.
If the co-pilot doesn't have the balls to speak up then he has no business flying an airplane.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 12:23 PM
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Of course. The pilots flew thousands of miles and hours in the wrong direction just to make a controlled ditching in one of the most remote oceans of the world. I guess that's not the least plausible theory that's been suggested.
How would you know when there is no witnesses at the ditch site. It only takes one survivor to prove the point. And there is plenty of data showing a higher degree of survivability after ditching than hitting a rock or getting on fire after a land crash. Could you imagine the outcome of flight 1549 if it would have crashed on I-95 instead of the Hudson River. Plenty of liability issues for Malaysian Airlines. They maybe better settling this out of court because I don't see a fair jury for them on this case.

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Old March 27th, 2014, 12:34 PM
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If they are stowed in life rafts, they are likely not ELTs, more likely PLBs. If there is no one conscious to trigger it, it will not go off. Even an ELT if the ditching was reasonable, would not trigger automatically.
The probable reason I see for ditching (if they did) after flying that long is because they ran out of fuel. This would have triggered the Master Caution system and activated the ELT automatically while in flight.

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Old March 27th, 2014, 12:39 PM
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The probable reason I see for ditching (if they did) after flying that long is because they ran out of fuel. This would have triggered the Master Caution system and activated the ELT automatically while in flight.

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Assuming it had one and assuming it worked as intended which they often don't.
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If the co-pilot doesn't have the balls to speak up then he has no business flying an airplane.
But you are an American and your point of view is different from someone born in Asia. There are airlines where the captain is king and what he says goes. Read that book I mentioned, it is a good read. Also, the worst air crash in history is now blamed on a KLM captain who disregarded orders and took off when he was not cleared to, the crash in Tenerife.
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Old March 27th, 2014, 12:48 PM
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Easy enough to put something in his coffee or hit him with the crash axe.
How about ask him to get something out of the cabin or wait for him to use the restroom and not let him back in?
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How about ask him to get something out of the cabin or wait for him to use the restroom and not let him back in?
Where is the drama in that??!! Come on, get with the program! We need graphic visuals for this movie... er, um... crash investigation.
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Where is the drama in that??!! Come on, get with the program! We need graphic visuals for this movie... er, um... crash investigation.
I did that in post #402. Somali pirates are at this moment hauling yet another barge load of fake debris with 90 hp Zodiacs through gale force winds and high seas to dump in the path of search vessels in the Southern Indian Ocean in a desperate attempt to cover up their dastardly plot.

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Assuming it had one and assuming it worked as intended which they often don't.
Or assuming they never had an emergency but the plane was just hijacked and landed safely somewhere

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Old March 27th, 2014, 01:20 PM
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Malaysian Air had a plane with a generator failure divert into Hong Kong a few days ago. A different Malaysian carrier - Malindo Air had to perform an air return due to an engine fire just yesterday. I think we're seeing a part of the world without the best maintenance in the world coupled with a salty humid climate that doesn't help the matter any.
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The probable reason I see for ditching (if they did) after flying that long is because they ran out of fuel. This would have triggered the Master Caution system and activated the ELT automatically while in flight.

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I don't think they ditched, I think they were all long dead from hypoxia by the time the plane ran out of fuel and glided into the ocean.
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Malaysian Air had a plane with a generator failure divert into Hong Kong a few days ago. A different Malaysian carrier - Malindo Air had to perform an air return due to an engine fire just yesterday. I think we're seeing a part of the world without the best maintenance in the world coupled with a salty humid climate that doesn't help the matter any.
My thoughts exactly, I think what happened was a corrosion related structural failure.
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My thoughts exactly, I think what happened was a corrosion related structural failure.
Of which structural member? How does that explain a flight path that turns three times to avoid non-Malaysian airspace, then heads for the most remote spot on earth?

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I don't think they ditched, I think they were all long dead from hypoxia by the time the plane ran out of fuel and glided into the ocean.
Maybe. But the Master Caution System would have activated the ELT before going down. If you do not think they ditched what do you think happened after they glided into the ocean?.

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Of which structural member? How does that explain a flight path that turns three times to avoid non-Malaysian airspace, then heads for the most remote spot on earth?

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The only turn I know as accurate information is the one toward Lankawi. Most likely the roof unzipped (wouldn't be the first such occurrence) which set up the fugoid which stabilized at a lower altitude.
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How does that explain a flight path that turns three times to avoid non-Malaysian airspace, then heads for the most remote spot on earth?

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Wait, I thought you had the aircraft landing in Pakistan after a night intercept and flying in formation with another aircraft for thousands of miles.
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Of which structural member? How does that explain a flight path that turns three times to avoid non-Malaysian airspace, then heads for the most remote spot on earth?

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I have heard of NO concrete evidence that ANY turns took place other than the initial turn back toward an airfield. The current debris field location is pretty much a straight line on that last heading. What is your source for these alleged evasive turns ?

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Maybe. But the Master Caution System would have activated the ELT before going down. If you do not think they ditched what do you think happened after they glided into the ocean?.

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