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Old January 13th, 2013, 11:23 AM   #1
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Adderall

Got a friend who wants to get his PPL. He has a prescription for Adderall for the last few years.

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Attention Deficit (ADD) - Ritalin (Methylphenidate Hydrochloride), Adderall (Dextroamphetamine Sulfate) and Strattera (Atomoxetine Hydrochloride) are usually not approved by the FAA. Under rare circumstances, individuals using Ritalin have been approved with restrictions. Approval is more likely for adults due to the difficulty in accurately evaluating ADD in young people and typically requires time off medication prior to flight.

Found this info online. What are his chances of getting approved to fly with the prescription (he is an adult)? If that is not an option, would it be difficult for him to get a medical if he dropped the prescription.

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Re: Adderall

Try the "adderall" search here on POA and if you have some time try the search on AOPA. Maybe Doc Bruce will be along to give the quick and correct answer.

Here is one of many links - http://forums.aopa.org/showthread.ph...light=Adderall
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ADD is disqualifying. Your buddy should look into Sport Pilot unless he's already been denied for a medical.
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Got a friend who wants to get his PPL. He has a prescription for Adderall for the last few years.




Found this info online. What are his chances of getting approved to fly with the prescription (he is an adult)? If that is not an option, would it be difficult for him to get a medical if he dropped the prescription.

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Bruce may have better info, but my guess is zero chance of getting a medical, both the med and the underlying condition are disqualifying. Could go SP, but there is a question as to whether they'll be safe.
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I believe the only way to get a medical, is to have the original diagnosis reversed which is expensive and could leave the OP's buddy $5k or more lighter in his wallet and still not able to get his medical.

Dr. Bruce can clarify.
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Re: Adderall

I don't think this one is going to be quick. Talked to Bruce about this for a neighbor kid with similar situation. It's going to take not just a doc saying "Oh, I guess the kid doesn't have ADHD" but an extended time OFF the drugs with a demonstration of unimpaired functioning.
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Yeah - I was involved with helping a kid beat this (with Doc Bruce's help). My understsnding : Adderol is for ADD, and ADD is a lifetime illness. The only way around it is to prove you didn't have it in the first place, and that means $ for a full-blown psych eval to overturn the original diagnosis. Of course, some people really DO have ADD...
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Re: Adderall

Thanks for all the replies.

Basically he has the classic scenario of being diagnosed as a teenager with ADD. A few years later he seems to have outgrown it.

From what I have been able to research, it looks like a minimum of 90 days with no prescription and then a psych eval costing $750-$2500. I'm glad I was able to bring this up with him before getting denied a medical as SP might be a good option.
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A few years later he seems to have outgrown it.
That's the deal - if it really is ADD I don't think you outgrow it. Maybe you can learn to cope, but it might be that he didn't have it to begin with. The good Dr is best for this.
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Re: Adderall

Hard to say if he was mis-diagnosed or what.

I told him from what I was seeing he would need to be off the prescription for a minimum of 90 days and then take a comprehensive evaluation to remove the diagnosis.

Currently talking up the sport-pilot option. There is a pretty decent LSA flight school on our field that rents allegros for $80/hr.

If he decides he wants to go for the private instead, i'll put him in touch with Doc Bruce.
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Bruce may have better info, but my guess is zero chance of getting a medical, both the med and the underlying condition are disqualifying. Could go SP, but there is a question as to whether they'll be safe.
All histories great pilots are non diagnosed ADD cases.
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Adderall ? Love the stuff ! It's great for when you need to get a bunch of stuff done.
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Re: Adderall

Got an email about this about a week back....was that you?

I have no idea where this came from. From time to time in aviation you hear things that started with "It can't be so it cant be so it can't be so" which becomes "the exception must be so, the exception must be so the exception must be so".

Adderal and all the stimulants are grounding. They have such a profound effect on cognitive performance and the FAA can't control whether you are on it or off it, for a part-time Rx....as in the moment yo have the accident.

I would be very surpised if there is any truth to this. I can't think of a single condition where part-time use would be appropriate. I can see how a PMS or VFS interested company might want to troll for business.....and I've been to many FAA psychiatry meetings....
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All histories great pilots are non diagnosed ADD cases.
No, there's a difference between ADD/ADHD and just plain nuts....
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Re: Adderall

The way I see it, all the multitasking going on in the cockpit is great for ADD. Free the beast!
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The way I see it, all the multitasking going on in the cockpit is great for ADD. Free the beast!
Except in all that multi tasking they miss and forget a lot of things jumping around from task to task.
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The way I see it, all the multitasking going on in the cockpit is great for ADD. Free the beast!
Full blown ADHDers suck at multitasking. They also suck at single-tasking.
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Got an email about this about a week back....was that you?



I would be very surpised if there is any truth to this.
Negative on the e-mail.

Truth to what? An approval for part-time use?

Thanks for the response. With the exception of that quote in my original post (found it in multiple places with a google search) nothing I found on the internet suggested Adderall would be approved under any circumstances.

I did learn that Adderall is 75% dextroamphetamine which is the 'go pill' drug given to military pilots for long missions.

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Negative on the e-mail.

Truth to what? An approval for part-time use?

Thanks for the response. With the exception of that quote in my original post (found it in multiple places with a google search) nothing I found on the internet suggested Adderall would be approved under any circumstances.

I did learn that Adderall is 75% dextroamphetamine which is the 'go pill' drug given to military pilots for long missions.
Renjamin, there are a lot of things the mil can do with a Flight Surgeon on the ramp, and sometimes on board. I did 36 hour patrols.

I can find NOTHING suggeting that Adderall would be approved under any circumstances, and the agency confirmed that verbally today.

"I wish it true I wish it true I wish it true" is how many of these things get started.
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"I wish it true I wish it true I wish it true" is how many of these things get started.
I've already told my pal he has zero chance of getting certified w a prescription and that the only path I could find for getting a medical is to get off of the drug for a period of time and then take a psych eval.

Just to clarify.

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Re: Adderall

I was prescribed Adderall all throughout middle school and up until Sophmore year of high school when I stopped taking it. In order to get my medical when I was a Freshman in college, I had to do 17 psychological tests with a board approved psychiatrist and I had to bear the cost. It sucks, but it's worth it.
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I was prescribed Adderall all throughout middle school and up until Sophmore year of high school when I stopped taking it. In order to get my medical when I was a Freshman in college, I had to do 17 psychological tests with a board approved psychiatrist and I had to bear the cost. It sucks, but it's worth it.
Thanks! Just curious, how bad did that hurt your wallet. And were the tests to reverse the diagnosis of ADD?
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Thanks! Just curious, how bad did that hurt your wallet. And were the tests to reverse the diagnosis of ADD?
That's usually about $2,000. I have a guy who got certified by selling his car to pay the neuro-psychologist.
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That's usually about $2,000. I have a guy who got certified by selling his car to pay the neuro-psychologist.
There is another potential avenue if one has a diagnosis, and that is a state shrink, they are free if you can get to one without being a full blown schizophrenic anymore.

I guess I lucked out that my dad was the state's head shrink and decided to just let me roll. It was funny when the school counselor suggested that I be medicated and he counter suggested hiring teachers that could answer a question with something beyond that which was listed in the teachers edition of the textbooks that were inaccurate to begin with and perhaps that could develop curriculums that weren't totally boring. I think the counselor figured out where I got my attitude from at that point and gave up
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Re: Adderall

Another way to pay for it is:
1) pass the psych evals
2) sue the incompetents who did an improper diagnosis in the first place

Not a big fan of lawsuits, but this over-drugging of our kids has got to stop, and the legal system is probably the only way it will stop.
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