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Old April 22nd, 2012, 10:27 PM   #1
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The best NM range for a single engine aircraft.

Does anybody know what type of single engine piston aircraft has the best NM range? Also "Reasonably priced"? I know factors come into play like weather conditions, power...etc. Under perfect conditions.


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Does anybody know what type of single engine piston aircraft has the best NM range? Also "Reasonably priced"? I know factors come into play like weather conditions, power...etc. Under perfect conditions.


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Does anybody know what type of single engine piston aircraft has the best NM range? Also "Reasonably priced"? I know factors come into play like weather conditions, power...etc. Under perfect conditions.
That's a pretty open-ended question, and what's "reasonably priced" to one person is not "reasonably priced" to the next. I don't think there's any real good answer without more specificity to the question.
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Many candidate depending on the cruise speed you are willing to accept.

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I'm pretty fond of the North American P-51 for it's mix of speed, long range, and firepower.
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That's a pretty open-ended question, and what's "reasonably priced" to one person is not "reasonably priced" to the next. I don't think there's any real good answer without more specificity to the question.
Sorry about that, Reasonably priced meant 100k and under.
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I guess that rules out the P 51.
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Sorry about that, Reasonably priced meant 100k and under.
How many seats, how much speed? Lots available with 6-800 mile range, 8-1000 shrinks the pool considerably.
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You can find an older mooney with long range tanks.
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How many seats, how much speed? Lots available with 6-800 mile range, 8-1000 shrinks the pool considerably.

Okay, I got it. I would like to go to Saint Petersburg Florida to Westchester County New York in under 8 hours. Myself, (Pilot) Co Pilot and two other people so a total of 4 passengers.

Airport code PIE (Saint Petersburg FL)

Airport code HPN (Westchester County NY)

Distance 1040 Miles
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You can find an older mooney with long range tanks.
I heard about those, how much room is in the first two seats?
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Okay, I got it. I would like to go to Saint Petersburg Florida to Westchester County New York in under 8 hours. Myself, (Pilot) Co Pilot and two other people so a total of 4 passengers.
Non-stop? It's 930 nm. Not many piston singles have that much range with IFR reserves. A Piper Malibu can probably do it. A Mooney TLS can probably make the trip, but not with four aboard (fuel/payload tradeoff problem). I can't think of anything else which will do that job. However, you're probably not going to find any of those under $100K in any decent condition.

If you throw in a fuel stop, any number of high performance complex singles can make the trip in 8 hours from PIE to HPN. This would include the Bonanza 33/35/36, Piper PA32R Lance/Saratoga RG, and Cessna 182RG/210. You can find decent articles of those within your price range. Others which can do the job with one stop but not within your price range includes the Cirrus SR22, Mooney TLS, and Cessna 350/400.
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I want to know what group of 4 people that can go 900nm nonstop without onboard bathroom facilities!

kidding! (maybe not.)
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Sorry about that, Reasonably priced meant 100k and under.
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My recommendation is to fly that trip at least once in whatever you select prior to purchase. It's a long hike with many potential complexities. I wouldn't sign up for repeated trips of that length in any piston single.
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Advertised prices for RV-10's are running $139K-250K, and the lower end one is VFR only (not real useful for flying FL-NY).
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Does anybody know what type of single engine piston aircraft has the best NM range? Also "Reasonably priced"? I know factors come into play like weather conditions, power...etc. Under perfect conditions.


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Tango XR Advertised at 2100SM. I can attest that 1800NM is definitely doable. Only two seats though.

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BTW... They also make a four seater (the Foxtrot) and advertise 1800SM.
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Yes, what Wayne said. It is difficult to find a single 100LL burner that will do trips designed for kerosene, especially for under $100K
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Non-stop? It's 930 nm. Not many piston singles have that much range with IFR reserves. A Piper Malibu can probably do it. A Mooney TLS can probably make the trip, but not with four aboard (fuel/payload tradeoff problem). I can't think of anything else which will do that job. However, you're probably not going to find any of those under $100K in any decent condition.

If you throw in a fuel stop, any number of high performance complex singles can make the trip in 8 hours from PIE to HPN. This would include the Bonanza 33/35/36, Piper PA32R Lance/Saratoga RG, and Cessna 182RG/210. You can find decent articles of those within your price range. Others which can do the job with one stop but not within your price range includes the Cirrus SR22, Mooney TLS, and Cessna 350/400.
Yes, I definitely wanted to do a fuel stop. I fly as a passenger, (Regular Commercial) from Orlando to Seattle all the time without having to use the bathroom. I try to avoid it at all costs!!
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My recommendation is to fly that trip at least once in whatever you select prior to purchase. It's a long hike with many potential complexities. I wouldn't sign up for repeated trips of that length in any piston single.
Is it too dangerous to fly a single that long? Even in the summer?
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Is it too dangerous to fly a single that long? Even in the summer?
I don't think the point was that it is dangerous, but unpleasant. An 8 hour day in a piston plane is a long day. Especially for pasengers who may notbe that in to flying GA. You are also very likely going to be dealing with weather diversions and delays, which will turn your 8 hour flight into days.
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I guess that rules out the P 51.
I have never flown a P-51 but I have seen quite a few replicas in action. A classic warbird I don't mind watching in action. As for flying it? I never had an interest in taildraggers. Nothing wrong with them just not an interest of mine.

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Certified no mods it's gonna be a Comanche with all 6 tanks. With mods Bonanza with Dolly Parton tip tanks and everything else or maybe there is a tanked up Mooney as well. Experimental holds a lot of possibilities, one of my favorites is one Lake built for the military which is a tanked up long range amphib.
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