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Old April 24th, 2011, 12:58 AM   #1
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Varga Kachina

Anyone here have experience with the Varga Kachina aircraft? Specifically the Varga 2150TG, taildragger version? It appears to be a great stick and rudder trainer. Also, I have heard about an experimental version which had an inverted (oil/fuel) system... does that mean it's normally capable of +G acro?

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Old April 24th, 2011, 10:28 AM
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Re: Varga Kachina

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Also, I have heard about an experimental version which had an inverted (oil/fuel) system... does that mean it's normally capable of +G acro?
No, it means it's capable of positive AND negative G acro. But seriously, just because somebody took an airplane, moved it to the Experimental Exhibition category and put inverted systems in does not mean it's suitable for flying in a manner in which it was not designed. Is it an aerobatic design to begin with? I'm not too familiar with the Varga, but I don't think so. You can do all sorts of aerobatics without inverted fuel/oil. Doing aerobatics in a non-aerobatic design is a touchy subject. Almost any airplane can do basic aerobatics. The airplane might be capable of doing certain maneuvers safely, but the pilot might not be. Your safety margin gets a good bit slimmer in non-aerobatic designs. Generally, for anybody wondering if it's OK to do acro in an airplane not designed for it, the answer (for them) is a definite no.

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Old April 24th, 2011, 01:07 PM
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Re: Varga Kachina

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Anyone here have experience with the Varga Kachina aircraft? Specifically the Varga 2150TG, taildragger version? It appears to be a great stick and rudder trainer. Also, I have heard about an experimental version which had an inverted (oil/fuel) system... does that mean it's normally capable of +G acro?

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I flew one years ago, the tri gear version. It flew and handled much like a Cherokee Warrior.

I wouldn't consider it much in the acro department.
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Old April 24th, 2011, 01:08 PM
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Re: Varga Kachina

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Also, I have heard about an experimental version which had an inverted (oil/fuel) system... does that mean it's normally capable of +G acro?
The original Type Certificate doesn't say anything about Acrobatic category.

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Gu...$FILE/4A19.pdf

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The following placard must be displayed on the instrument panel in full view of the pilot:
"OPERATE IN NORMAL OR UTILITY CATEGORY IN COMPLIANCE
WITH THE APPROVED AIRPLANE FLIGHT MANUAL."


I wouldn't want to play test pilot with the experimental version.
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Old April 24th, 2011, 03:46 PM
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Re: Varga Kachina

There is one that appears every couple of years at the Angel Flight East Wings-N-Wheels static show. Nice place looks like a small chipmunk.
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Old April 24th, 2011, 03:51 PM
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Re: Varga Kachina

Am I the only one that has to do a double take every time I read the name of this plane?
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Old April 24th, 2011, 04:44 PM
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Am I the only one that has to do a double take every time I read the name of this plane?
Only of the pilot flying it is named Doloris.
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Old April 24th, 2011, 08:19 PM
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Re: Varga Kachina

Varga Kachina? I think penicillin and a topical cream will clear that right up.

Oh wait. This isn't Medical Matters. never mind.
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Old April 25th, 2011, 02:05 PM
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Re: Varga Kachina

Ok, thanks. I realize it isn't certified for aerobatics so that's not on the radar anymore. How is the Varga as far as an initial PPL/tailwheel trainer? I am still interested in any experiences with the aircraft.
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Old April 25th, 2011, 02:27 PM
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Re: Varga Kachina

Apparently a company called Montanair tried some extensive mods to the Morrisey/Shinn/Varga design. Info here.

I came across a tailwheel version of the Montanair in Idaho last year. Pretty airplane (photo below).
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Re: Varga Kachina

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I flew one years ago, the tri gear version. It flew and handled much like a Cherokee Warrior.

I wouldn't consider it much in the acro department.
Interesting......I haven't flown one, but there is an outfit here at MYF that uses a couple of Varga Kachinas for air combat adventure rides.
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Interesting......I haven't flown one, but there is an outfit here at MYF that uses a couple of Varga Kachinas for air combat adventure rides.
In a Varga? Can't see that as much of an adventure.........
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Only of the pilot flying it is named Doloris.
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Old April 26th, 2011, 10:09 AM
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Re: Varga Kachina

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In a Varga? Can't see that as much of an adventure.........
That was my thought when you described the handling characteristics as 'warrior-like'

Here's the link:
http://www.barnstorming.com/documents/52.html
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