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Old December 12th, 2010, 03:33 PM   #51
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Old December 28th, 2010, 12:58 AM   #53
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For what you will invest in a bearhawk you can buy a nice 185.
Yea, but then you're stuck with something certified. For the money might as well be able to go top of the line, or strip it down and hand prop it. No worries with STC's or any of that BS.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 01:40 AM   #54
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Yea, but then you're stuck with something certified. For the money might as well be able to go top of the line, or strip it down and hand prop it. No worries with STC's or any of that BS.
This is the first time I've seen "certified" and "stuck with" used in the same sentence.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 03:05 AM   #55
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Oh, yea. I fly in and out of the grass strips around here. But they are still airports. I've never landed on a sand bar, or farm field, or...
I've landed on a beach (rather taken off from a beach; Leslie did the landing) in a 172. It was on the West coast, though.... of New Zealand!
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Old March 30th, 2011, 03:06 AM   #56
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Old April 1st, 2011, 01:45 AM   #57
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The 850hp Turbine Super Sherpa. Under 100' take off at 5000#'s at 3000' alt. So they say. Empty I believe is just under 3000 pounds with a 6000 pound gross.

I love this plane but at 35 gallons per hour it is cost prohibitive.
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Old April 1st, 2011, 02:06 AM   #58
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Very impressive video of the Super Sherpa. I want one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrJ5_LnF0Q
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Very impressive video of the Super Sherpa. I want one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrJ5_LnF0Q
I'd rather have :

http://www.cubcrafters.com/inventory/N9796P
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Even if money were no concern? That Sherpa is $700,000 in parts and then you have to assemble it.
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Very impressive video of the Super Sherpa. I want one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrJ5_LnF0Q
No kidding - That's a helluvan airplane! Efficient it ain't, unfortunately - 42gph to go 150 knots!
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No kidding - That's a helluvan airplane! Efficient it ain't, unfortunately - 42gph to go 150 knots!
It is equal to the turbine Beaver, but will get in/out shorter. It takes a turbine Otter to beat either.
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Re: The best 4 seat STOL bush planes.

Best 4 place STOL I ever owned was Cessna 182 with Wren Conversion.
Take off and land at full gross, zero wind in less than 300 ft. with O-470 230HP and even less with the IO-470 260HP. Incredible plane.
Hit the throttle, pull back slightly and because the elevator on the canard mmoves down as well creating lift so the nose wheel is off the ground in a few feet. No safer slow flight performance, control and stability I have seen or flown. Could rotate at as little as 28 MPH.

Next best thing Peterson's 260HP IO-470 and 300HP IO-550 Katmai, three Blade prop. Considerably faster then the Wren with less drag. Not quite the same plane but has the Wren canard, XWing extentions and leaves the surface of planet in less than 300 feet at 31 knots on 13 to 17GPH for the two engines listed above. Best bang for the buck in my opinion overall.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 03:28 AM   #64
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If you were to pick the ultimate bush plane for 4 people, what would it be? Something by Cessna? Maule? Found Aircraft? PZL Wilga? perhaps a homebuilt?

And I mean a REAL 4 seater, not something like a Tri-Pacer that only has enough room for a Hobbit pilot and co-pilot, and 2 Smurfs in the back seat.

Second question, what's a realistic number for the shortest take-off and landings possible for such a plane with 4 average adults??
Stinson 108 with an O-470 works pretty damned short and steep.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 12:45 AM   #65
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You won't find many Helio Couriers sitting on the ramp at Bethel or King Salmon...more likely to see 206's, 180's, 185's etc. Some Cherokee Sixes.

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Bob, I'll second your comment - I've also seen a lot of 180/185/and206s here at FAI, but not a single Helio Courier. I can't see anyone messing with a HC in Alaska, if you have one and break down in the bush, you're probably going to be there for a while. With a Cessna, someone can bring you a part the next day.
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A Helio Courier is definitely more expensive to buy and operate and there are far fewer of them than Cessnas. So, although it may not make much sense to use one to land on gravel bars and dirt strips in Alaska I'd say that the majority of Helio Couriers in existence are seeing real bush duty all over the world and operate in some of the most extreme conditions. They are more in the league of the Pilatus Porter, you'd probably see more in New Guinea than Alaska.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 02:43 AM   #67
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Wow, that is beautifully expensive.
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Aeronca Sedan? If there are any left. Everyone in their own ultralight? You looking to move four people plus rocks or four people worth of rocks?
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The quest for an ATV with wings...

All this talk of Helios made me laugh, there are two of them in KLNK.

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Aeronca Sedan? If there are any left. Everyone in their own ultralight? You looking to move four people plus rocks or four people worth of rocks?
If it's four people dumb as rocks, a Super Cub works.
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Wow, that is beautifully expensive.
I've seen a couple Katmai conversions up close. They rival anything new coming off the factory floor, with far more capability. They start with only the cleanest of the clean airframes. Worth the price, if you need the capability and desire a "new airplane" feel.

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