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Old May 11th, 2009, 09:24 AM   #1
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Flying near Wash DC - SFRA Training

For those unfamiliar with the rules around the DC area, please, please, please go to http://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/c...?categoryId=11 and take the "Navigating the DC Special Flight Rules Area (SFRA)" course, or at least go to the FAR's and see the new Part 93 Subpart V--WASHINGTON, DC METROPOLITAN AREA SPECIAL FLIGHT RULES AREA (sorry, Part 93 isn't in your standard FAR/AIM book -- gotta go on-line) and read sections 93.331 et seq.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 11:25 PM   #2
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Re: Flying near Wash DC - SFRA Training

I'm thinking about moving to the area after I'm done with school. Thanks for posting this info.
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Old October 31st, 2011, 01:53 PM   #3
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Re: Flying near Wash DC - SFRA Training

Good advice - the link above is an FAA REQUIRED course to take in order to operate within the SFRA.

The good news is that you will likly only be intercepted by a armed helicoptor now instead of an F-18 because it was getting too expensive to enforce the dozens of busts that occur a year.
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Good advice - the link above is an FAA REQUIRED course to take in order to operate within the SFRA.
Further, it's required to operate within 60 miles of DCA even if you never intend to operate within the SFRA.
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Further, it's required to operate within 60 miles of DCA even if you never intend to operate within the SFRA.
VFR, yes; operating IFR does not require completion of the course, but it's still a darn good idea. Also, if you haven't completed the course, you cannot legally take off VFR and pick up your clearance in the air, or cancel IFR until you're on the ground, anywhere within that 60-mile ring, not just the SFRA itself (30-mile ring).
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Print the certificate, keep it with the papers you have on you.

As some people have found out the hard way, you need to have the knowledge in the course even if you fly from Maine to North Carolina VFR and have no interest in the DC area at all.
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Print the certificate, keep it with the papers you have on you.
Not legally necessary, although I carry mine anyway.

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As some people have found out the hard way, you need to have the knowledge in the course even if you fly from Maine to North Carolina VFR and have no interest in the DC area at all.
Amen. That 60-mile ring (which is now depicted on the Washington Sectional) extends well out over the Eastern Shore (including the popular Kay's Restaurant at Cambridge KCGE and the cheap fuel stop at Ridgley KRJD), and if you bust the SFRA itself without having done the course, you're doubly hosed.

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I've been ramp checked in the SFRA, at W00, although I am a student I was told to keep it on me as proof. Still a good idea to have it irregardless, its just an extra once and can go right behind your photo ID thats needed.

Anyone who plans to just go around it because of the "complications" involved, or who doesn't land for that extra couple gallons of fuel, take the course. It's not that long and in the air its amazingly smooth to use.
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Re: Flying near Wash DC - SFRA Training

As a new student pilot, this is good info to know since I will flying from my home in Florida to my work in Reston VA every other week once I receive my license. Last thing I need as a new flyer is to draw attention to myself or worse yet make the 5pm news!
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Aren't the new rules a lot easier?
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Aren't the new rules a lot easier?
For one airport, Leesburg, they have come up with a somewhat reasonable modification of the overall unreasonable rules.
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For one airport, Leesburg, they have come up with a somewhat reasonable modification of the overall unreasonable rules.
So for other airports the simple squawk is not in effect?
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So for other airports the simple squawk is not in effect?
Unfortunately no. And no, it doesn't have to make sense.
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As a new student pilot, this is good info to know since I will flying from my home in Florida to my work in Reston VA every other week once I receive my license. Last thing I need as a new flyer is to draw attention to myself or worse yet make the 5pm news!
Although this is the perfect and good use of a GA airplane, the pressure of needing to show up for work on-time may be inadvisable for the new PP. I recommend you have a 'Plan B' for both directions of travel and always be ready to use it. Lord knows, we don't need another 1st 6 months casualty, like I was reading in the NTSB reports this morning.
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Re: Flying near Wash DC - SFRA Training

I just took the course again. Flying into Manassas tomorrow to pick some folks up. Planning on IFR, but still wanted to be up to date. It's almost seamless for the IFR folks, but I didn't want to do something dumb.

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Re: Flying near Wash DC - SFRA Training

I have found dealing with the DC SFRA rules have been helpful in my flight training. For one, it helps with learning to file flight plans. The second part, is it helps with learning to communicate with ATC.
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I have found dealing with the DC SFRA rules have been helpful in my flight training. For one, it helps with learning to file flight plans. The second part, is it helps with learning to communicate with ATC.
My wife learned to fly at IAD. Her radio work is stellar. It took her a while to get used to runways that were less than 150 feet wide however.
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My wife learned to fly at IAD. Her radio work is stellar. It took her a while to get used to runways that were less than 150 feet wide however.
That's cool. You can do two "touch and gos" on one stretch of those runways there at IAD. Must be great training for wake turbulence avoidance. Even on the taxiways.
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That's cool. You can do two "touch and gos" on one stretch of those runways there at IAD. Must be great training for wake turbulence avoidance. Even on the taxiways.
I've got my night currency by doing a full stop landing , aking off, climbing up to 1000AGL and then landing again full stop all along the same 11,000' runway.

We have definitely had issues on the taxiway when a heavy on the cargo ramp ran up. Following them isn't as bad as it seems other than the smell.

What she go good up is blasting down the final at 120 knots, closing the throttle, hauling back on the yoke until 110, drop the first ten degrees, wait until 85, drop the second, slip hard, touch down 2000' down the runway and make the first turn off at 4500'.
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I have not done slips yet.
I am definitely going to get my instructor to take me IAD. He will probably take us to BWI. But, I have history at Dulles. So, my money, my choice. LOL!
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I have not done slips yet.
I am definitely going to get my instructor to take me IAD. He will probably take us to BWI. But, I have history at Dulles. So, my money, my choice. LOL!
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I am based out of KGAI.
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Re: Flying near Wash DC - SFRA Training

Dulles isn't too bad if you avoid the "push" times (when the airlines in the hub and spoke try to land all the arrivals and departures in a concentrated 30 minute or so period). If you never leave the movement area, you don't even owe a landing fee (or worse the FBO gouge fees).
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That's cool. You can do two "touch and gos" on one stretch of those runways there at IAD. Must be great training for wake turbulence avoidance. Even on the taxiways.
IIRC - and someone else can do the research as I don't have time - IAD had, at one time, an STOL runway. I don't recall whether it was a separate piece of concrete or whether it was marked on a runway/taxiway.
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I wouldn't call it a "STOL" runway, it was just a few thousand feet in the middle what is now taxiway Q (parallel to 12-30). It had the designation 11-29 if I recall correctly (and the taxiway was Taxiway N back before the FAA "foolish consistency" morons decided to take the entirely logical taxiway nomenclature at IAD and turn it into a bunch of random letters.).

I think it was too close to the actual runway 12-20 to make sense to use it for any semblance of parallel operations, though I guess it may have been helpful to get some GA stuff in or out while landing on the then 1L. (12-20 and 1L (1C now) don't intersect but the approach path of 1L crosses 30). Now they typically send GA departures down to 30 for most departures and just shoot the gap with any 1C-19C operations.

Back in the day, you parked your little airplane out on a concrete pad in between the runways (where the midfield terminals are now) and someone from Page came down and retrieved you. Of course, that was also the day when there were no jetways at Dulles. Most flights were serviced by the mobile lounges except for some puddle jumpers that deplaned on the ramp near the base of the control tower.

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